Jamal Khashoggi Murder | Ordered Directly by MBS

[The Firestarter]

Saudi Arabia is a rogue state. Lets not forget they kidnapped an entire sovereign country's prime minister.

And let's not forget almost every terrorist on 9/11 was Saudi.

 

[Adisa]

And let's not forget almost every terrorist on 9/11 was Saudi.

Another thing that's being airbrushed from history. Quite remarkable how they've gotten away with it. And feck Obama for protecting them.

 

[The Firestarter]

Another thing that's being airbrushed from history. Quite remarkable how they've gotten away with it. And feck Obama for protecting them.

I am sure 80% of Americans think Osama was Afghan too.

 

[MJJ]

Horrific to think that anyone, anywhere would commit a crime such as this, but for any sort of “civilised state” to commit it gives me the shivers. Beggars belief that it could be carried out on the orders of a country’s rulers and followed through by diplomats on another country’s territory. Saudi diplomats will not be welcome guests in Turkey or anywhere else if they have murdered Khashoggi in this way.

Safe to say the Saudi consulate won’t need a public entrance for the foreseeable future, whatever the result of this investigation.

Since when was saudi a civilised state?

 

[africanspur]

When you think it is more difficult to be disgusted by Saudi, they manage to do something to make it possible.

They are such a scourge on the region.

Turkey seems to be dialling down their criticism a tad (and the rest of the world seems mostly to be looking the other way).

I reckon Turkey will get something out of this from Saudi and will ultimately let it pass quietly.

 

[P-Nut]

I am sure 80% of Americans think Osama was Afghan too.

More than that I'd say

 

[Fergies Gum]

Looks like Turkey had the embassy bugged. WashPo reporting that Turkey has obtained audio/video recordings from inside the embassy.

 

[Fergies Gum]

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[Raoul]

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So the Turks were spying on the Saudis ( a common thing in Embassies ) and actually heard the murder take place. Can't get anymore concrete than that.

 

[Green_Red]

Does anyone think this is related to the recent stock crash yesterday? The Saudis would have a lot of money invested. If they pulled it would cause havoc. That could just be the conspiracy theorist in me speaking though. I seen Branson decided to cut the Saudis out if investing in Virginia Galactic too. Probably unrelated but you never know...

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

Was talking about this with a friend from the region today and MbS really seems the most sinister type of ruler. Sells a specific narrative to the outside - reformer, liberal, friendly to other ideas - but really is conducting old school night of long knives style political purges, viciously pursues journalists and critics, blockade of Qatar, this guy is really an epitome of immoral power hungry dictator. And the world is still afraid to call out Saudi Arabia because of their oil. Just horrible situation.

 

[CA_vampire]

Another thing that's being airbrushed from history. Quite remarkable how they've gotten away with it. And feck Obama for protecting them.

Do you mean Bush?

 

[Adisa]

Do you mean Bush?

No, Obama. Obama shielded the Saudis from litigation by 9/11 victims' families.

 

[CA_vampire]

No, Obama. Obama shielded the Saudis from litigation by 9/11 victims' families.

Oh, I thought Bush was the president on Sept 11, 2001. My bad.

But you are talking about Obama who became president on January 20, 2009. That's 7.5 years later. WTF!!!

 

[Adisa]

Oh, I thought Bush was the president on 9/11. My bad.

He was but the families tried to sue SA in 2015. Something Obama administration blocked.

 

[CA_vampire]

He was but the families tried to sue SA in 2015. Something Obama administration blocked.

Well, after all that punishment to Saudi Arabia from Bush for 7.5 full years, you were not satisfied?

 

[MDFC Manager]

Well, after all that punishment to Saudi Arabia from Bush for 7.5 full years, you were not satisfied?

What on earth are you on about?!

 

[diarm]

Do you mean Bush?

Oh, I thought Bush was the president on Sept 11, 2001. My bad.

But you are talking about Obama who became president on January 20, 2009. That's 7.5 years later. WTF!!!

Well, after all that punishment to Saudi Arabia from Bush for 7.5 full years, you were not satisfied?

Jees this guy hasn't found a stick he didn't prefer the wrong end of yet today!

 

[Adisa]

Well, after all that punishment to Saudi Arabia from Bush for 7.5 full years, you were not satisfied?

You've lost me.

 

[Kaos]

Comparing presidents is pointless, pretty much every US administration in recent history has championed Saudi Arabia as its regional darlings after Israel.

They don’t like the Iranians so that gives them a free pass. It also provides the US with a means to indirectly support anti-Iranian initiatives such as regime change in countries like Syria and Lebanon as well as curbing Iranian influence in Iraq.

The fact almost all 9/11 hijackers were Saudis and the country has served as the ideological and financial backbone of the most heinous form of Islamic terrorism means very little. As crude as it sounds a few thousand American deaths and upwards of a million Arabs dying is a small price to pay if it consolidates regional hegemony. Regardless of whether the President is Clinton, the Bushes or Obama.

To give Trump a rare bit of credit, at least he harbours no shame in chummying up with them.

 

[Hammerfell]

Well, after all that punishment to Saudi Arabia from Bush for 7.5 full years, you were not satisfied?

What are you babbling on about?

 

[Red Defence]

Turkish authorities have audio and visual evidence that shows journalist Jamal Khashoggi was killed inside the Saudi consulate in Istanbul just over a week ago, a source familiar with the ongoing investigation told CNN.

The source, who was briefed by a Western intelligence agency, says the evidence showed there had been an assault and a struggle inside the consulate. There is also evidence of the moment that Khashoggi was killed, the source said.
The foreign intelligence service was shocked by the nature of the evidence, provided in a briefing from Turkish officials, the source told CNN.

The audio recording in particular provided "persusisve and gruesome evidence" that a Saudi team dispatched to Istanbul was responsible for Khashoggi's death, the Post reported.
"You can hear his voice and the voices of men speaking Arabic," one person with knowledge of the recording told the Post. "You can hear how he was interrogated, tortured and then murdered."

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/12/middleeast/khashoggi-saudi-turkey-recordings-intl/index.html

My stomach churns just reading this.

 

[Adisa]

Feck me!

 

[Adisa]

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[VeevaVee]

So the Turks were spying on the Saudis ( a common thing in Embassies ) and actually heard the murder take place. Can't get anymore concrete than that.

Seems pretty dumb to even do it there. Surely the Saudis had entertained the idea they were being spied on?
Or maybe they're just taking a leaf out of Russia's book and not caring who knows what while denying it.

 

[RedDevil@84]

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Good position. If only US could stop meddling with non-US things in other countries too.

 

[Raoul]

Seems pretty dumb to even do it there. Surely the Saudis had entertained the idea they were being spied on?
Or maybe they're just taking a leaf out of Russia's book and not caring who knows what while denying it.

They may have just been that cavalier that after months of attempting to lure him back to Saudi with fake job offers and the like, that this was literally their only chance of doing the deed.

 

[Red Defence]

A high-profile investment summit in Riyadh later this month is rapidly becoming a fiasco as prominent businesses and media groups pulled out over Saudi Arabia’s alleged involvement in the disappearance and possible murder of the Washington Post journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/12/saudi-arabia-fii-conference-withdrawal-jamal-khashoggi

More and more pulling out of this conference now.

 

[The Firestarter]

Still pretty dumb from them to kill him in their fecking embassy. Zero plausible deniability. On the other hand, that could have been done with practically no consequences anywhere else in the city. Not that there will be any significant consequence for them now, not even a slap on the wrist.

 

[Abizzz]

Surely killing him in their own embassy is more of a message to others than an attempt to conceal the deed?

 

[George Owen]

Surely killing him in their own embassy is more of a message to others than an attempt to conceal the deed?

This.

 

[Red Defence]

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All sorts of happenings with regard to Khasoggi’s disappearance.

 

[adexkola]

Good position. If only US could stop meddling with non-US things in other countries too.

Right. If he kept the same energy with Iran I'd understand it. He won't though, for obvious reasons.

 

[Raoul]

Lindsey Graham saying MBS can't become king of Saudi anymore. This should be interesting.

 

[Zlatattack]

Oooh, this is like something from Game of Thrones meets House of Cards!

 

[Red Dreams]

Lindsey Graham saying MBS can't become king of Saudi anymore. This should be interesting.

why.

It was only a Permanent Resident not an American that was killed.
Besides Billions in Military Sales.

Priorities.

 

[Raoul]

why.

It was only a Permanent Resident not an American that was killed.
Besides Billions in Military Sales.

Priorities.

Lindsey wants to use the Magnitsky Act on MBS. This will clearly not end well.

 

[Red Dreams]

Lindsey wants to use the Magnitsky Act on MBS. This will clearly not end well.

on the other hand...just think of all the Saudi assets in the US.

Woo Hoo.. ...

This should be fun.

Human Rights...can feck off.

God, Guns and Money!!

 

[The Firestarter]

Surely killing him in their own embassy is more of a message to others than an attempt to conceal the deed?

It would still be clear who did it. But they could deny it plausibly. Actions like this, when they accumulate may influence decisions regarding Saudi Arabia in countries that are actual democratic republics.

 

[2cents]

Wouldn't be surprised if this is linked in some way:

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