MyOnlySolskjaer
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Never coming here.
And if he doesn’t want to stay here?I think it would be bad business if we ended up selling David for less than what we would pay for Oblak. David was recognized as the best keeper only slightly over a year ago. He can get back to that level IF he wants to stay here.
Not seen much of him this season, but from what I recall he is better at long balls and his command of the area is excellent. The only element where I thing DDG is significantly better(or have a better method) is the way they conduct themselves with shots from and angle and close range. Oblak has a bad tendency to go down early.Any keeper we sign has to be a good shot stopper by default.
But the question is, how does Oblak's distribution and command of the area fare in the games regular observers have watched him in?
Yeah. If his mind is made up and he wants to go, then we really don’t have any choice but to get a replacement.I think it's pretty clear DDG doesn't want to stay here. This feels exactly the same as last time but this time there won't be a fecking fax machine to save us
See my response in post above.And if he doesn’t want to stay here?
Yes, they have been flops, and Vitolo is 29. That should be enough of a red light to caution you on replacing a world class keeper with a £10mil hopeful. The point is if they could so readily find these hidden gems at a steal they wouldn’t need to spend mega money on established players. The simple truth is these players are few and far between, and basing a transfer policy on it isn’t viable long term.Many of their recent signings have been flops but I don't think you can ignore the fact that they built a league winning team for very little money and when they started spending extravagantly on big money signings, their signings started to flop. But that's not what I wanted to say through that example. Even those flops you mentioned, most of them are young players with lot of potential - Lemar, Vitolo. They also signed Rodri and Correa in the last few years. Although they signed Costa back for a huge amount (I'm sure they regret that now), I don't expect them to be interested in DDG
Our higher ups did nothing but try to get him to sign a deal for a very long time. It’s also not their fault that equivalents are being priced at 120m now.Yeah. If his mind is made up and he wants to go, then we really don’t have any choice but to get a replacement.
It really is a crappy situation that we ended up in. How did our higher ups let a keeper of his quality get into the situation we’re in where we couldn’t sell him at high enough value to pay for an equivalent replacement.
I know, have read, and have followed the contract situation but it is still down to incompetence of whoever is/are in charge of getting us to this situation.Our higher ups did nothing but try to get him to sign a deal for a very long time. It’s also not their fault that equivalents are being priced at 120m now.
De Gea has opted to run his deal down, and according to reports, it is not due to a lack of effort from us.
So basically, they should have put a gun to his head and asked him to extend the deal.I know, have read, and have followed the contract situation but it is still down to incompetence of whoever is/are in charge of getting us to this situation.
Tell that to the likes of Floyd Mayweather.De gea isnt a keeper that will get better with age because he is a guy who works purely on reflexes. That's not going to work forever. Sell him if he wants out.
He's Slovenian.Would he be our first Slovakian ever? ha
I’m sure there are many other ways.So basically, they should have put a gun to his head and asked him to extend the deal.
Mayweather had the best defense ever seen. It's easy to see why he stayed at the top for so long in the game. There was a reason they called him the pretty boy.Tell that to the likes of Floyd Mayweather.
I'm surprised how many people suddenly rate Oblak higher than De Gea, after he's been universally accepted as one of the best keepers in the world for years now. Never hear Oblak mentioned in those discussions and i mean that sincerely because I've not really seen him play.
So having followed the contract situation as you said, what are the other ways that we could have made him sign a deal.I’m sure there are many other ways.
I don't know about 3 months, he was pretty poor most of last season and in the World Cup before that. Added to which he's held a metaphorical gun against the club's metaphorical head for years now. But yes, I appreciate he's been great for us until last season.Oblak would be great, but this disrespect towards our best player for the last 6 years has got to stop. 3 month poor form. 6 years excellent service. Imagine the last 6 seasons with anyone else in goal...I think that's about 10 points less a season.
I don’t know as I wasn’t tasked with getting him to sign a contract. However, I am confident I would be able to if I was given that task and role in the clubSo having followed the contract situation as you said, what are the other ways that we could have made him sign a deal.
I'm going to fight you.Would he be our first Slovakian ever? ha
huh? You’ve never heard Oblak in those conversations? Wasn’t there a massive piece just recently where a bunch of sports journos and ex keepers were asked to choose the best GK in the world and Oblak was their choice.Tell that to the likes of Floyd Mayweather.
I'm surprised how many people suddenly rate Oblak higher than De Gea, after he's been universally accepted as one of the best keepers in the world for years now. Never hear Oblak mentioned in those discussions and i mean that sincerely because I've not really seen him play.
Well it obviously isn’t.I know, have read, and have followed the contract situation but it is still down to incompetence of whoever is/are in charge of getting us to this situation.
Well Atleti don't play out the back much.With De Gea not willing to sign an extension, I wouldn't mind having Oblak as his replacement. He's been the superior shot-stopper this past season. However, I'm not sure how good is his ball distribution? Could anyone shed some light?
Shaka Hislop was grading the top keepers on ESPN the other day and he actually commented that Oblak and De Gea are pretty much the same player. Obviously there are some differences but his point seemed to be that if you go with Oblak you are committing to playing the same way you are now, if you want to go for the sweeper keeper system then Oblak is not your man.Well Atleti don't play out the back much.
Either way, it's not as good as Ederson, Ter Stegen or Neuer's.
Might be a tier or two below that.
Perhaps similar to De Gea.
Yeah if we want a sweeper keeper, then Oblak wouldn't be the best choice.Shaka Hislop was grading the top keepers on ESPN the other day and he actually commented that Oblak and De Gea are pretty much the same player. Obviously there are some differences but his point seemed to be that if you go with Oblak you are committing to playing the same way you are now, if you want to go for the sweeper keeper system then Oblak is not your man.
He must be allowed to leave immediately if he doesn’t want to be here. The thought of him putting in performances like he did in the last 2 months over next season is terrifying.Keeping DDG might be the best move to be fair. We cannot afford the release clause for Oblak and fill our other positions of need and buying an inferior player just to try and squeeze a nominal fee for Dave could be a disaster. If we tell Dave he can leave in 12 months he may well be a happy camper and knuckle down to ensure he goes out on a high whilst also considering that the better final season he has the bigger the signing bonus at his new club is going to be. We can then take our time to plan properly to replace him, maybe if Henderson stays at Sheffield and has a good year in the PL we won't need to buy anyone at all.
Only thing I don’t like about Donarumma is he can’t catch.What about Donarumma? Does he have the ability and inteliigence to play as a sweeper keeper?
No. He has below average distribution with his feet.What about Donarumma? Does he have the ability and inteliigence to play as a sweeper keeper?
This thread!De gea isnt a keeper that will get better with age because he is a guy who works purely on reflexes. That's not going to work forever. Sell him if he wants out.
Oh yeah I change my mind. The lad is going to be like Van der sar or Buffon who dominated their box. Instead he is going to keep jumping around with the same reflexes he always hadThis thread!
Onana? You can't be serious.Onana or Maignan > Oblak
Onana is easily better in some departments. Would be a better fit in the modern game too in a team wanting to build play from the back.Onana? You can't be serious.