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Can excuse of Jose having about 100 times more money to spend than Moyes be used then? We've overpaid for Fellaini and look how much shit Moyes is getting, Jose could buy a chair for 28 mln pounds and nobody would give a feck because it's a pocket money.
He just paid 25million for matic. A reasonable amount for a midfielder he needed. It's not like he spent 40miliion plus for him. So can't use the cash excuse here as well. People are making a fuss because we could have gotten fellaini for cheaper. It's a perfectly fine reason to laugh at moyes about.
 

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It's obviously not just money is it? They have not signed anyone for a ridiculous fee since he's joined.

Well they'v splashed ridiculous money on Willian I would say. If not one big number then money split between Matić, van Ginkel ( although his fee was the lowest ), Schürrle and Willian was around 70-80 mln pounds, that's some money if you ask me.

But obviously yea, it's not just the money, what I was heading at was that Mou doesn't have to be 1/100 as cautious as Moyes when spending money.
 

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Well they'v splashed ridiculous money on Willian I would say. If not one big number then money split between Matić, van Ginkel ( although his fee was the lowest ), Schürrle and Willian was around 70-80 mln pounds, that's some money if you ask me.

But obviously yea, it's not just the money, what I was heading at was that Mou doesn't have to be 1/100 as cautious as Moyes when spending money.
Don't be silly... There spending has been far from irrational. We spent £15m on Ashley young and that didnt stop us spending £16 on Jones and buying De Gea.
 

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Don't be silly... There spending has been far from irrational. We spent £15m on Ashley young and that didnt stop us spending £16 on Jones and buying De Gea.

Nothing stopped us from selling our best player for 80 mln quid and then spending money gained from him on those players either.
 

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Ah only saw that now. Sarcasm can be lost in text.


Well they'v splashed ridiculous money on Willian I would say. If not one big number then money split between Matić, van Ginkel ( although his fee was the lowest ), Schürrle and Willian was around 70-80 mln pounds, that's some money if you ask me.

But obviously yea, it's not just the money, what I was heading at was that Mou doesn't have to be 1/100 as cautious as Moyes when spending money.
That's not true is it? Woodward along with Moyes and whoever else at the club have made it clear we have money to spend, enough of it, so much so we went after Fabregas which would've eventually cost us well north of 30m if he was keen.

Also Chelsea have spent 70-80m on what 4 players? I wouldn't say that's 'some money'. All those fees were well within our reach so it's not as if they spent outlandishly on a player. And as has been pointed out by Mainoldo we've spent similarly in the past.
 

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That's not true is it? Woodward along with Moyes and whoever else at the club have made it clear we have money to spend, enough of it, so much so we went after Fabregas which would've eventually cost us well north of 30m if he was keen.

Also Chelsea have spent 70-80m on what 4 players? I wouldn't say that's 'some money'. All those fees were well within our reach so it's not as if they spent outlandishly on a player. And as has been pointed out by Mainoldo we've spent similarly in the past.

You see, that's the difference, you could see Ferguson saying that we've got all the money we want to spend, you've got Moyes claiming he's got all the financial support from Glazers' side yet it's us fecking around with transfers under two managers and Chelsea don't make any claims about 'rescue kitties', 'warchests' and other shit but they just spend. Yea, those you've mentioned were within our financial reach, no doubt, but as I've said already, there's less pressure/risk whatever on Chelsea's transfers compared to our transfers.
 

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Nothing stopped us from selling our best player for 80 mln quid and then spending money gained from him on those players either.
Thats true... Well maybe we can use some of our sponsorship money to pay for our new set of players.. Our wait for Madrid to spunk millions on Januzaj so we can spent 17m here and there on 4 players.
 

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You see, that's the difference, you could see Ferguson saying that we've got all the money we want to spend, you've got Moyes claiming he's got all the financial support from Glazers' side yet it's us fecking around with transfers under two managers and Chelsea don't make any claims about 'rescue kitties', 'warchests' and other shit but they just spend. Yea, those you've mentioned were within our financial reach, no doubt, but as I've said already, there's less pressure/risk whatever on Chelsea's transfers compared to our transfers.

True, I can agree that Chelsea have less risk as shown by the sell Matic buy Matic back for 10x the price you sold him for. But it doesn't excuse our sluggishness on getting things done. Moyes and Woody need to step up their game if we're ever going to get the players we need to get ourselves sorted again.
 

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clearly Matic wanted to join Chelsea as soon as it was apparent they wanted him. Not sure if they had a clause from before in terms of price but certainly United wouldnt have picked him up for the same price
 

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Nice summary from MEN

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...hester-united-transfers-special-squad-6514521

United bosses clock up air miles as squad strengthening efforts intensify

16 Jan 2014 12:17
MEN Sport analyses Manchester United's transfer progress at the midway point in the January window, with issues bubbling in defence, midfield and attack.

David Moyes and his staff have clocked up the air miles over the past week as the Unitedmanager firms up his targets for what could be a busy January transfer window.
Moyes has made no secret of his desire to strengthen his ailing squad and he and his backroom team have been spotted around Europe, running the rule over the players they hope can rejuvenate the Premier League champions.
The Glazer family and United executive vice chairman Ed Woodward are prepared to back Moyes in his bid to overhaul the squad he inherited from Sir Alex Ferguson last summer – but midway through the window, just how far has he got with his rebuilding plans?
Defence
The departure of Southampton chairman Nicola Cortese could prove to be a game-changer for Moyes .
The United manager has made no secret of his desire to bring in competition for Patrice Evra and England under 21 left back Luke Shaw is a player he has monitored throughout the season.
United were under the impression that Southampton would not consider a deal before the summer. But Cortese’s abrupt exit this week has sparked fears that manager Mauricio Pochettino could follow him out of the door, leading to an exodus of star players like Shaw, Adam Lallana, Jay Rodriguez and Rickie Lambert.
Lallana is another player United have been linked with, but Shaw is the jewel in Southampton’s crown.
Moyes is increasingly facing up to the fact that Everton will not allow Leighton Baines to leave Goodison Park, leading him to explore the possibilities of bringing in Real Madrid’s Fabio Coentrao on loan.
Atletico Madrid’s Luis Filipe is another player United have watched closely as they cast their net far and wide to identify the right targets.
Within Moyes’ squad there is uncertainty over the futures of Evra and Nemanja Vidic, who are both out of contract at the end of the season.
Evra may decide to return to France – particularly given Moyes’ determination to bring in a top class left back, which would impact on his first team opportunities.
United want to keep hold of Vidic and will attempt to tie the Serbian down to a new deal – but with a host of Europe’s top clubs trying to lure the United captain, Moyes faces a fight to keep him at the club.
United are interested in Porto centre back Eliaquim Mangala – who would either be seen as a partner or replacement for Vidic.
Cagliari’s Davide Astori is another they have watched in the past week

Midfield
It is no surprise that Moyes and his scouts have devoted much of their attention to midfield targets over the past week.
It is the area that continues to provide the most concern to the United manager and he is determined to bring in at least one midfielder this month.
Ideally he would like any new signings to be eligible for the knockout stages of the Champions League, with Europe now providing Unite with one of their best chances of success this season.
But Moyes continues to take the opportunity to look at long-term options – notably Juventus pair Paul Pogba and Arturo Vidal.
Both players would be cup-tied in Europe – but United would be optimistic about a potential deal this month, given that Juve are out of the Champions League.
The question is whether the Italian club would be prepared to sell the heartbeat of their side at a time when they are running away with the Serie A title?
An enormous double bid in the region of £50m could be enough to test their resolve.
Another Juve player, who has been admired for some time by those within Old Trafford is Claudio Marchisio, who could be easier to prise away, given Juve’s options in midfield.
Sporting Lisbon’s William Carvalho was watched by United’s chief scout Jim Lawlor this week, while Phil Neville was in Spain to assess Atletico Madrid’s Saul Niguez, who is on loan at Rayo Vallecano.
Moyes meanwhile ran the rule over Paris St Germain’s Lucas Moura, who Sir Alex Ferguson tried to sign in 2012, and Bordeaux’s versatile Ludovic Sane.
The return of Darren Fletcher has boosted United’s midfield options, but still wants top class reinforcements.
He is already planning to make room for new arrivals with Anderson on verge of ending his largely disappointing spell at Old Trafford.
Fiorentina want to sign the Brazilian before the close of the transfer window – but any deal may depend on Moyes’ success in landing one of his targets.
Napoli’s Marek Hamsik and Brazilian Everton Ribeiro have also been linked, while Marco Reus, Ilkay Gundogan, Koke and Ross Barkley figure highly on United’s extensive list of targets.
Shinji Kagawa is still to convince Moyes he can be a success at United and could be offered as a makeweight in a deal for Reus or Gundogan.
Attack
When fully fit, Moyes believes he has the best strike force in world football. But the problem this season has been his failure to get Wayne Rooney and Robin van Persie on the pitch together anywhere near as much as he wants.
United continue to be linked with superstar strikers Radamel Falcao and Diego Costa, with Neville watching the latter this week.
Any decisions over striking targets will depend on Moyes’ assessment of Van Persie’s long-term fitness, following the Dutchman’s injury troubles this season, and Rooney’s contract situation.
The England striker will enter the final year of his deal in the summer.
United want him to sign an extension, but will be aware that they may have to start looking for alternatives sooner rather than later.
Danny Welbeck’s goal-scoring form is increasingly encouraging. Moyes believes the England forward can push for a regular starting place, but Javier Hernandez has looked out of sorts this season and his future remains in doubt.
Nani is expected to be allowed to leave if wide replacements can be found.
Napoli’s Lorenzo Insigne has been linked, while Sporting Lisbon’s Carlos Mane has been monitored.
Ashley Young is another who could be shown the door in the summer as Moyes plans a major overhaul of the squad he inherited from Ferguson.
 

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MEN know feck all. They've just plucked names and thrown them all into an article.

It's pretty much all what we already know here given the games we know Moyes and the team have scouted so the names are probably pretty accurate. Like I said, it's a summary rather than brand new information.

The though though that Juve would sell Vidal and Pogba together for £50m made me chuckle.
 

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MEN know feck all.

Right on, sister.

The fact he's jetting out to watch players NOW, two weeks before the window shuts when we've been in obvious need of signing since the summer, is a bit infuriating tbh. The reason why clubs conclude business early is because they spend Sept-Dec doing work behind the scenes. I expected us to tie up deals early this month rather than be at the 16th and still at the 'scouting' stage.

The last month should be spent haggling over the end detail not jetting off to see who you might fancy.
 

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Right on, sister.

The fact he's jetting out to watch players NOW, two weeks before the window shuts when we've been in obvious need of signing since the summer, is a bit infuriating tbh. The reason why clubs conclude business early is because they spend Sept-Dec doing work behind the scenes. I expected us to tie up deals early this month rather than be at the 16th and still at the 'scouting' stage.

The last month should be spent haggling over the end detail not jetting off to see who you might fancy.

At what point up to this week has there been time for Moyes to go on scouting missions?
 

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£50m for Pogba and Vidal?

I'd drive to Italy and bring them back here myself for that.
 

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At what point up to this week has there been time for Moyes to go on scouting missions?

At what point has he been too busy. Fergie used to get his arse about everywhere during the season. Why has Moyes got time to do it now but didn't have time a few weeks ago? Nothing has changed. We don't play every night. There aren't evening training sessions. You see plenty of managers scouting players overseas during the season. There's no reason why he's got time now but didn't in, say, October.
 

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At what point has he been too busy. Fergie used to get his arse about everywhere during the season. Why has Moyes got time to do it now but didn't have time a few weeks ago? Nothing has changed. We don't play every night. There aren't evening training sessions. You see plenty of managers scouting players overseas during the season. There's no reason why he's got time now but didn't in, say, October.

Well we have a week between games now at a time that the other leagues are all playing. In the last few weeks we've been playing 2-3 games a week so time has been tight.

Who's to say he wasn't gone scouting in October? You seem to be making a massive assumption there based on the fact that you don't know something.
 

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So many targets. So little action. I see for an interesting 23:59 deadline day.
 

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Can excuse of Jose having about 100 times more money to spend than Moyes be used then? We've overpaid for Fellaini and look how much shit Moyes is getting, Jose could buy a chair for 28 mln pounds and nobody would give a feck because it's a pocket money.

To be fair Moyes is getting shit for signing Fellanini regardless of price because he is shit.
 

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Well we have a week between games now at a time that the other leagues are all playing. In the last few weeks we've been playing 2-3 games a week so time has been tight.

Who's to say he wasn't gone scouting in October? You seem to be making a massive assumption there based on the fact that you don't know something.
Moyes wasn't filmed watching matches overseas in October. He's basing his argument on the only hard evidence available.
 

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Moyes wasn't filmed watching matches overseas in October. He's basing his argument on the only hard evidence available.

He's pretty much explicitly saying that Moyes wasn't scouting games before this week. Basing that on the fact that he happened to be photographed at a game this week is nonsense. There's no photographs of me taking a shit yesterday, but would you make the assumption that I didn't take one?
 

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Did I just hear something on SSN about Rene trying to sign Nani?
 

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He's pretty much explicitly saying that Moyes wasn't scouting games before this week. Basing that on the fact that he happened to be photographed at a game this week is nonsense. There's no photographs of me taking a shit yesterday, but would you make the assumption that I didn't take one?
Well, the successor to Fergie became automatically a recognizable and interesting figure around Europe, so I doubt he could be at a game without being spotted by the cameras. The absence of photographs suggests he wasn't there. Nothing to say he wasn't reading scouting reports and looking at video, of course.
 

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Chelsea's activity makes you wonder what moyes and woodie are doing.

No it makes me think that Chelsea have no interest whatsoever in complying with FFP. Or that they've heard it won't be a problem. Because they just posted a £50m loss, and are following that up with buying someone they sold for £4m for £23m, and potentially spending another £20m on a left back. And that's before the elephant in the room - they will spend and spend big on a striker at some point.

Since Roman took over, I'm not convinced a single youth product has made an impact on the first team. Not one. It's spend today to win today. And if Roman is allowed to do that, much like City we simply can't compete.
 

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No it makes me think that Chelsea have no interest whatsoever in complying with FFP. Or that they've heard it won't be a problem. Because they just posted a £50m loss, and are following that up with buying someone they sold for £4m for £23m, and potentially spending another £20m on a left back. And that's before the elephant in the room - they will spend and spend big on a striker at some point.

Since Roman took over, I'm not convinced a single youth product has made an impact on the first team. Not one. It's spend today to win today. And if Roman is allowed to do that, much like City we simply can't compete.
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