I was only 12 in 1990 but did watch a load of Italia 90 coverage and until today and looking at this thread, that's the first time I've seen that clip or even heard that phrase.
Jarrod Bowen under investigation for racist tweet
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I distinctly remember Terry Venables analysing the Lineker goal in the semi-final with Germany at HT and calling the German defender a faggot. I'd love to see a clip of it if anyone can find it.
Wow. That’s bizarre. I was roughly the same age when the Campanis / JtG shit came out, I very much remember the uproar both caused.
Interesting that Jimmy and Camapnis were both Greek.
That’s so Hellenist.
Yeah you can keep pretending that's not a statement of fact or name one other race that can? I'll wait....
And with your “they are my brothers and sisters” take, well that's a pretty idealistic take that has no bearing on reality. I have no Western black brothers or sisters, the ones I have are all African and the only thing they share in common is high amounts of melanin, which has absolutely no importance to my choice of association.
You are free to yours and your mindset of course. Cheers
@afrocentricity
And with your “they are my brothers and sisters” take, well that's a pretty idealistic take that has no bearing on reality. I have no Western black brothers or sisters, the ones I have are all African and the only thing they share in common is high amounts of melanin, which has absolutely no importance to my choice of association.
You are free to yours and your mindset of course. Cheers
@afrocentricity
I remember my step mum kicking off about something Trevor brooking said during the cameroon game. Summat along the lines of "I didn't know they had phones in the jungle" or it may have been trees. I'm not sure.
I was 13 at the time and didn't give a shit what Trevor brooking was saying. I just wanted to see linekar and gazza.
It wasn’t aimed at you btw
It might be worth asking him that
I know the word in itself is offensive and not some laughing matter but it’s just a cynical laugh at what was deemed acceptable 30 years ago
It was Ron Atkinson I think
Was it? Shows how much attention I was paying.
Next, FA will launch investigation into how white players were behaving in their playschools. Were they sharing toys with toddlers of all colors and all that.
So much free time.
So much free time.
A diverse group of 8 elderly white men in their 70s.
Here's an idea FA: Get someone who's actually of a different ethnicity in the investigation "group" and have them weigh in on wether or not something actually something.
Yes if I recall right he made disparaging remarks about Cameroon calling them macaroons at one
Point and other ‘jungle’ remarks off camera. Think it was only the Guardian that brought it too attention but such was the prevailing climate that no fuss was ever made of it.
It might be worth asking him that
I know the word in itself is offensive and not some laughing matter but it’s just a cynical laugh at what was deemed acceptable 30 years ago
I know it's one of those phrases that people of a certain age used to use, but in 1990 there is absolutely no excuse for saying that word and right in front of a POC to boot. Racism in football was a big issue at that time so Hurst should really have known better. His West Ham connections too as that was a club that had racism problems for a long time.
The lack of public outrage mentioned earlier is probably down to several factors.
* 1990 was three decades ago - that's a long time relatively speaking. Racism in football had - finally - emerged as an issue, but it was still mainly about recognizing overt, malign racism on the terraces (banana throwing and whatnot).
* Unlike Big Ron, Hurst didn't target anyone in particular with his choice of words. He merely used an outdated idiomatic expression (impossibly outdated by 2021 standards, much less so for 1990 standards). It looks extremely offensive to a contemporary viewer - using that expression whilst sat right next to Crooks - but there you go: it was still in use back then and the reality is that it probably didn't cause much outrage among the people who watched it.
Naah....you'd have to be really fecking insensitive to say n word in the presence of a POC even if it's part of an old expression. 1980 maybe, but not 1990. I was going to footy matches then and knew you couldn't say stuff like that.
I remember when Arsenal were redeveloping a stand at Highbury and put a temporary mural up showing supporters to make it look nice. Then somebody noticed that none of the painted faces were black and the club got a lot of grief about it. That was in 1992.
Phew! If I were white, I'd have had a much tougher time where I grew up!It wasn’t aimed at you btw
Maybe - perhaps Hurst was just a bit of a twat, I dunno.
But the awareness we now have with regard to language (not overt, hostile racist language - but outdated words and phrases that reflect racist views and concepts of a previous era) was surely nowhere near the same in 1990.
As far as I know, the first UK edition of Agatha Christie's Ten Little Ni**ers that did not use the original title wasn't published until after 1980. That would be less than ten years before Hurst made his comment.
All of that seems insane now - but the world moves on at a rapid pace. At least we hope it does.
Also worth mentioning - for what it's worth - that the N-word itself was nowhere near as taboo in Europe (including the UK) as it was in America for a long time. The Agatha Christie novel mentioned was renamed very early in the US.
ETA Sorry, that's wrong: The last UK edition w/ original title was published in 1977.
Still, English language editions were published under the original title in other parts of the world into the 1980s.
And that's without mentioning the various translations - which reflected the original English title - that continued to cause controversy well into the 2000s.
The first German edition, for instance, that wasn't called Zehn Kleine Negerlein (ten little negro kids - or something close - in English) wasn't published until 2003 - when it was given the title Und Dann Gabs Keines Mehr which reflects the modern English title (And Then There Were None).
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I know what it was like, but n word has always been a highly charged epithet. I actually remember seeing the Dam Busters back in the 80s and being surprised to hear Guy Gibson calling his dog on screen by it's given name ( N word). I'm sure nobody at BBC even knew it was in the movie. It's been cut out now of course.
I don't think Hurst was a racist like burning crosses racist, just old school racist that was tolerated back then. Imagine how Crooks felt being humiliated like that on national TV by a World Cup hero....the Tottenham cnut.
He's a United cnut too, actually - of sorts. Was on loan to United for a brief spell. Er...under Big Ron.But yeah, it makes for uncomfortable viewing.
ETA He scored a couple of goals for us too. Two goals in seven appearances - that's decent numbers: should call and ask if he's still available (bit old, but feck it - he's easily on Martial's level this season in terms of contribution).
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"mother tongue" and "exposure" in the same sentence looks wrong?
Maybe not the right word, seems ok to me. You know what I mean though, and luckily this is a football forum and not an English exam.
If it were an English exam, that question mark you plonked at the end of your statement wouldn’t be much use.
Never mind 1990 mate, politicians have used it as recently as 2018(?). A Tory politician was suspended then reinstated I believe.
If you want to see a hilarious deconstruction of the Guy Gibson’s dog story, check out the Office scene where David and Gareth discuss it.
Was just thinking about this, with Gareth sobbingIf you want to see a hilarious deconstruction of the Guy Gibson’s dog story, check out the Office scene where David and Gareth discuss it.
I’m surprised this thread has 13 pages. Obviously he’s done wrong, and at 15 he certainly should have known better, but what’s there to talk about? Have there been any major developments?
He was clearly a fecking moron of a teenager that said something he certainly should not have said. It was 10 years ago - what’s left to be done?
I remember when the Guardians of the Galaxy director got fired because his tweets from a decade ago were resurfaced.
He was clearly a fecking moron of a teenager that said something he certainly should not have said. It was 10 years ago - what’s left to be done?
I remember when the Guardians of the Galaxy director got fired because his tweets from a decade ago were resurfaced.
N****rWas just thinking about this, with Gareth sobbing
That was his name N****r!
“ you don’t have to say it twice!”
There was long e-fight about nothing and another argument about grammar schools for some reason
And someone claiming the N-word wasn’t offensive or something
Pretty standard Caf racism thread really, it always kicks off
Funnily enough the religious studies teacher at my secondary school actually had us watch an episode of the office when she was teaching us about subtle racism in society. I was only twelve at the time and had never really watched it. Great show.N****r
That was his name N****r!
“ you don’t have to say it twice!”
Got rehired.
Wasn’t that after the cast stated they wouldn’t sign on unless it was him? At least some
Made a stand against the absurdity of digging up historic tweets
The cast voiced support as they naturally would, but I think biggest threat was Batista threatening to walk it Gunns script wasn't used.
He had also already apogised for the tweets a few years before they resurfaced, way back when he was making the first movie. Everyone knew he had apologised but he was in political arguments with some right wing commentators and they were used against him.
Right, cheers. Power some people can wield over others to make and break careers
I agree. No PS5 for a week and no cable
thats crazy. But then the FA have shown to punish people outside of the law as seen with the Terry/Ferdinand incident when he was cleared in court but they charged him.
I doubt it. I feel people accept we say/do silly things as children. Its expected as our brains haven't developed and neither has our maturity/character. How would punishing a grown man for things he did as a child stop homophobia? you think teenagers are following this case and saying "well I guess I better stop talkin shit in case I become a premier league footballer someday?"
I hear what you are saying but it may be better to wait and test the temperature (see if there is any uproar) before acting. People may not feel strongly about it. They should get them to apologise and admit they were immature and have become a better person or some shite.
This one actually made me laugh.