Great assist yesterday.
Javier Hernandez | 2012/13 Performances
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You're basically admitting that you're wrong about Chicharito now.Your initial post that sparkled all the mockeries was so out of context with the 12/13 Chicharito, this is why a lot of posters are making fun of you.
What Hernandez was good/bad at last season is irrelevant
Let's be honest, on here what a player did three games ago is irrelevant. Giggs can't play midfield anymore, he's back to being a winger again etc etc etc.
It doesn't take many games to change opinon, this being another example.
By the stupid ones. Any sane person can see that hernandez's buildup has improved throughout, hell, look at the vid that's posted above as a an example of has much it really has improved.
You think it's championship material, that's fair enough. It`ll just get categorized into the long list of dumb shit said on here. You can`t say something stupid and then get mad when people call you up on it.
And yes, it`s an opinion, a stupid one, but an opinion nonetheless.
Nobody has got mad and nobody has said he hasn't improved.
I thought Hernandez was looking quite good while he was on the pitch before being subbed. Looked fairly sharp, movement was causing issues for the other team and his build up play was quite good. I was surprised that he was subbed off, particularly when Welbeck for me was playing worse and I would back Hernandez over him to get a goal when we need it. Hopefully it was more a case of taking him off as SAF didn't want him to tired for the next game and playing him for only part of this game was always the plan.
By the tone of your posts you sound mad. You shouldn`t be online if you don;t like your opinions criticized and when they`re stupid laughed at.
It's quite ridiculous to say Hernandez' technique is championship levels and focusing on how that forms him as a player. Most players have one or two areas where they are no better than "championship players".
Championship levels amongst players:
Carrick - pace
Messi - aerial ability
Vidic - pace
Smalling - close control
Young - dribbling (for a winger)
Valencia - left foot (actually more like league 2)
The point is, that all these players are top drawer. Messi isn't a prolific header of the ball, yet he is the best player in the world. Why focus on Hernandez' first touch, saying it is championship levels, when he is clearly a top drawer striker more than good enough for the EPL? Would anyone discard Vidic as a CB because he is a bit slow, because it will leave him exposed from time to time.
To me, Rooney's short passing is not much better than Hernandez', but every time Hernandez misplaces the ball, it is noticed to a greater extent. Hernandez' first touch isn't the best, but it is much improved, so why not focus on that and how he is definitely PL quality?
Championship levels amongst players:
Carrick - pace
Messi - aerial ability
Vidic - pace
Smalling - close control
Young - dribbling (for a winger)
Valencia - left foot (actually more like league 2)
The point is, that all these players are top drawer. Messi isn't a prolific header of the ball, yet he is the best player in the world. Why focus on Hernandez' first touch, saying it is championship levels, when he is clearly a top drawer striker more than good enough for the EPL? Would anyone discard Vidic as a CB because he is a bit slow, because it will leave him exposed from time to time.
To me, Rooney's short passing is not much better than Hernandez', but every time Hernandez misplaces the ball, it is noticed to a greater extent. Hernandez' first touch isn't the best, but it is much improved, so why not focus on that and how he is definitely PL quality?
Isn't messing a fantastic "headerer". But yeah, Hernandez is good.
Messi
Messi is a good header of the ball per se, but he doesn't have good aerial ability compared to many strikers because he is so small and doesn't have that aspect to his game - much like Scholes really.
My point was that it's all about how you look at players; do you wish to highlight why they are quality players or look at their weaknesses? If Hernandez was a player who was all about the first touch, then lost it, we should be worried. But he scored 20 goals for us first season with a rather poor first touch at times; this year he has greatly improved his technique and first touch, yet some still seem to go down the path of slagging him off for it - he has improved and improved as a player, so I just don't understand the need to bring it up again.
In a discussion of Rio, it would be natural to discuss his loss of pace as a concern. When discussing Rooney, his poor short passing and first touch is a concern as he has shown he can be very good there. But when Hernandez is the player he is AND improving on his weak aspects of the game, I see little point in highlighting those again.
Championship player eh? What a great touch and lay off
He didn't call him a championship player.
Wonderful move and play, could have shot as well but he preferred the safe option. Well done!
Championship level build up play eh? Great touch.
Great take from a great pass.
The goal was hardly build up play though, it was Chicharito receiving the hollywood killer pass while he sat on the shoulder of the defender. It just so happened Rooney was there for the pass.
Of course it was build up play, great first touch, simple pass, exactly what build up play is.
fecking excellent tonight. Felt bad for him when he missed the chance after pick-pocketing the defender for his first chance, felt terrible for him when he decided to smash it into the net (in RvP fashion I might add, great technique) after being whistled offside late on. I am developing serious man love.
I am developing serious man love.fecking excellent tonight. Felt bad for him when he missed the chance after pick-pocketing the defender for his first chance, felt terrible for him when he decided to smash it into the net (in RvP fashion I might add, great technique) after being whistled offside late on.
Be careful. Isn't that illegal down your neck of the woods?
Couldn't believe it at the time, now it sounds even more stupid.
His buildup play was fantastic throughout the match, not just the one occasion, great dummy for Rooney, great layoff for Anderson to name a few others.
Really, I thought he had a fairly average game. The quality of the feed I was getting wasn't that great but I thought it was more of an old school Chicharito performance from 1 or 2 seasons ago. He got the assist but he was offside a lot. He surprisingly missed the chance completely when he stole the ball off the defence. He was decent but it didn't feel like a performance I'd be praising a player for, bar one or two good moments.
Not that many people really deserved too much praise, it wasn't the best of matches.
Well fantastic might of been a slight exaggeration but it was certainly way beyond levels previously mentioned in this thread.
The offsides are the most frustrating part of his game for sure but we'll always get a couple of goals a season from those runs and it creates a lot of space for Rooney/RvP dropping deep. He probably doesn't even need to go so early due to the pace he has.
The offsides are the most frustrating part of his game for sure but we'll always get a couple of goals a season from those runs and it creates a lot of space for Rooney/RvP dropping deep. He probably doesn't even need to go so early due to the pace he has.
Meh, it wasn't one of his best performances for me. He definitely had some good moments though. I thought it was fairly average.
His overall play is still inconsistent and it appears it will be that way for some time. Nonetheless, he shows more promising signs with each game he plays in.
His overall play is still inconsistent and it appears it will be that way for some time. Nonetheless, he shows more promising signs with each game he plays in.
If my point was 'Hernandez never does anything good ever' this kind of response might be apt.
I think it's getting a bit boring now, the moment he does anything half decent it's highlighted here. At least be impartial, at least mention the moments where his touch was poor. There were a few tonight.
Anybody using tonight's performance to counter my argument needs a head doctor.
So he has a few poor touches, it happens to all players, premier league ones too. The point is, he is contributing and contributing quite well in the build for a top PL side. His build up play is fine and not Championship level at all.
No need to say that mojo but I agree with you. There were some poor touches tonight as well as some good ones. I think me and you both will agree his overall play is inconsistent but I see more good than bad.
I don't think anyone has an issue with people saying his overall play is inconsistent, but he does far too much good stuff nearly every time he plays, as he did again tonight, that Championship players just do not do against Premier League defenders.
When I come in here and post everytime he does something shit, thinking it somehow proves my point, that will probably be the time to suggest what I shouldn't say.
The thing is, showing he does something shit that Championship players do... well, we could do that with Rooney and 90% of the strikers in the Premier League, it proves nothing.
When Hernandez rips open a Premier League defence week in week out however, well, that's just something Championship players don't do and that's why they are playing the Championship.
He's a great asset for us. It did appear that being out of the team for the last game upset his rhythm a little bit tonight, I think he was a little sharper in recent games. That said, his link play is improving all the time, and if we are to win silverware this season, he will be vital for us.
I agree it proves nothing, it's why I don't do it. On the flipside I don't think the reverse proves anything. Coming here crowing 15mins into a game after one decent bit if play, it's pointless.
So many times, he was stood offside, when a through ball was on.
He has the pace to beat most CBs from the halfway line, why doesn't he just watch his positioning?
(not that I don't think he is a great player, before his mum threatens me for criticising)
He has the pace to beat most CBs from the halfway line, why doesn't he just watch his positioning?
(not that I don't think he is a great player, before his mum threatens me for criticising)
Usually offsides are difficult and can equally be blamed on the guy playing the pass but tonight he had a couple where I thought he should have done better.
Yep he was just off in this match. He was onside for the first pass that led to the goal and after that he just wasn't with it.
Rooney had some poor touches tonight too. Its a silly argument. He did very well
Wrong thread?
It wasn't just going too soon, Chicharito was offside to start with (negating the early ball), and sometimes, never got back on.
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