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John Terry - Born to feck up the biggest footballing moment of his life.
To be fair, he was beheaded circa 36AD.The thing about leadership is that people have to respect you for both your abilities and you as a person. I think he isnt the defender he once was 3-4 years ago. And as a person, even John the Baptist would have a hard time baptising the man.
Sad but trueHe is a great captain and great footballer.
I'd have thought a defender would know not to handle in the box? However, as Terry always gets away with it I guess that little flaw don't matter so much. Terrys 'brave' but a leader? He did an awful lot of talking at the world cup. Maybe he should do it more for England because it starts from the back and he's captain of a poor England Team.He's always been a good defender to be fair. Not top top draw, but still a good defender, and he's had success captaining Chelsea. Scholesy's not far off here.
In what way is he not close to them? Both Keane and Cantona have done horrible things on the pitch that wouldn't exactly suggest they're model professionals, let alone inspirational leaders.After growing up watching Cantona, Keane, Viera and Adams...........Terry isn't even close and that's only a few off the top of my head, there have been others.
It's not even close, he is nowhere near Roy Keane. No opposition supporters liked Roy but they did respect him.He's a very good defender and has great leadership qualities, don't let the hatred blind you. All of us will be hailing him as our hero if he's a United player, trust me
Sort of like Roy Keane or Rooney before his contract bollocks which everybody not connected with United love to hate
People like you contradict yourselves immensely!Quote:
Originally Posted by Scholesy
He is a great captain and great footballer.
Sad but true
Nail, head.Great leaders don't need to go round saying how great they are.
You seem to be very confused here! This thread relates to question whether he's a great leader like he said he is. Because of his off pitch disgusting behaviour, you have to be very naive/stupid to be thinking there is no discontentment in the dressing room. If a leader has commanded no respect from those being led, are they still good/great leader?In what way is he not close to them? Both Keane and Cantona have done horrible things on the pitch that wouldn't exactly suggest they're model professionals, let alone inspirational leaders.
Who said he doesn't command respect in the dressing room? You? Are you part of the national squad and are privy to what's going there?The only thing we know so far is that no member of the Englandf squad voiced any concern over Terry getting the armband back and they seem to be getting along fine, with whoever is the captain. Show me one piece of evidence to prove otherwise.You seem to be very confused here! This thread relates to question whether he's a great leader like he said he is. Because of his off pitch disgusting behaviour, you have to be very naive/stupid to be thinking there is no discontentment in the dressing room. If a leader has commanded no respect from those being led, are they still good/great leader?
I was talking about on the pitch when I made that point.Who said he doesn't command respect in the dressing room? You? Are you part of the national squad and are privy to what's going there?The only thing we know so far is that no member of the Englandf squad voiced any concern over Terry getting the armband back and they seem to be getting along fine, with whoever is the captain. Show me one piece of evidence to prove otherwise.
I was replying to a post where he was unfavorably compared to the likes of Cantona and Keane and I used them as an example of how otherwise flawed individuals can still be great leaders on the pitch and command respect among their peers.
Well, I ask you to show me one piece of evidence to prove he commands respect from the team! If Wayne Bridge was in that room, what do you think of his feeling? You have to be very stupid to think otherwise.Who said he doesn't command respect in the dressing room? You? Are you part of the national squad and are privy to what's going there?The only thing we know so far is that no member of the Englandf squad voiced any concern over Terry getting the armband back and they seem to be getting along fine, with whoever is the captain. Show me one piece of evidence to prove otherwise.
I was replying to a post where he was unfavorably compared to the likes of Cantona and Keane and I used them as an example of how otherwise flawed individuals can still be great leaders on the pitch and command respect among their peers.
....you can't teach it to anybody
John Terry, Leader of Men
don't remember either of them fecking players wives, or so brazenly using their positions as captain to earn money, or constantly telling everyone what great captains they were, or selling complementary private boxes on the black market, or selling tours around their training ground to anyone with the cash. If you want to know what a leader should be then watch the 99 CL semi second leg at juventus, thats what a leader is.In what way is he not close to them? Both Keane and Cantona have done horrible things on the pitch that wouldn't exactly suggest they're model professionals, let alone inspirational leaders.
They've done much worse on the pitch than Terry did off it. At least he didn't intentionally try to break an opponent's leg or jump into the stands and beat up a fan.don't remember either of them fecking players wives, or so brazenly using their positions as captain to earn money, or constantly telling everyone what great captains they were, or selling complementary private boxes on the black market, or selling tours around their training ground to anyone with the cash. If you want to know what a leader should be then watch the 99 CL semi second leg at juventus, thats what a leader is.
Mate, I was looking through his individual acheivements the other day and I couldn't believe it. I think he has more than Ferdinand and Vidic combined (in their united years), including the World XI 4 years in a row up until 2009. Utterly obscene.And he's such an overrated player.
That's where I guess his attention seeking big man act helps. Other than making him look like a fool I guess.Mate, I was looking through his individual acheivements the other day and I couldn't believe it. I think he has more than Ferdinand and Vidic combined (in their united years), including the World XI 4 years in a row up until 2009. Utterly obscene.
Couldn't say it better myself.He's a horrible and vile man.
True, he's a leader on the pitch but just a shame he ruined that by shagging his best mate's girlfriend behind his back. The players will walk out behind him and play for him, he is their captain after all but I seriously doubt they trust him after what happened, and I don't think many will like him.
I know a lot of other footballers aren't saints, including our own but that man has a list of indiscretions the length of the Nile.
You have got to be an utter cnut to be defending JT the way you did. By fecking team mate's wife and abusing his power as captain to make money and illegally selling private boxes of his employer etc are disgusting behaviour one would never in a million year want to teach their children to follow.They've done much worse on the pitch than Terry did off it. At least he didn't intentionally try to break an opponent's leg or jump into the stands and beat up a fan.
If we're talking about how players influence young generation that watches them surely what they do on the pitch has more influence than what they do in their private lives.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Really no logic in defending that vile cnutYou have got to be an utter cnut to be defending JT the way you did. By fecking team mate's wife and abusing his power as captain to make money and illegally selling private boxes of his employer etc are disgusting behaviour one would never in a million year want to teach their children to follow.
And to compare those immoral and illegal activities to some truly great captains who have a passion in football only to lose their calm in difficult situations is laughable beyond belief.
The so called fan being kicked had created the situation by shouting racial remark to provoke a player, whereas none of the victims in JT's terrible deeds have asked for it. He did them all out of total greed and disgrace, which reflects the overall character of this person.
Are we allowed to just make stuff up now? fecking a teamates wife? Jesus.You have got to be an utter cnut to be defending JT the way you did. By fecking team mate's wife and abusing his power as captain to make money and illegally selling private boxes of his employer etc are disgusting behaviour one would never in a million year want to teach their children to follow.
And mother of his child. There's a massive difference.Are we allowed to just make stuff up now? fecking a teamates wife? Jesus.
He slept with a teamates ex girlfriend. There's a massive difference.
Between that and his wife? I agree.And mother of his child. There's a massive difference.
And what you said. If you're trying to correct someone at least try and be accurate.Between that and his wife? I agree.
It was his ex girlfriend. It was not his wife.And what you said. If you're trying to correct someone at least try and be accurate.
You might as well have just said girl if you wanted to be accurate but not pain the whole picture. I've seen a lot of people use the term ex girlfriend in his defense. That doesn't half explain it.It was his ex girlfriend. It was not his wife.