That my friend, is muscle flexibility.
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Didn't Sterling bulk up a bit? I think he did. Their winning goal against Chalke the other day was him using his strength against much bigger opponent. But you're right, half the battle certainly is being mentally prepared to go in for tackles. But really if you're hesitant to go in for tackles because you're too weak/thin then just hit the gym a bit.
Is that the first major penalty he's ever missed? Pretty sure his Napoli record was excellent.
Edit: Just watched the shoot out, Kun's penalty was actually very similar. He just got lucky.
Azpilicueta hit best penalty of the lot, couldn't have got more top corner if he'd tried. He also hit a great one v Spurs.
Edit: Just watched the shoot out, Kun's penalty was actually very similar. He just got lucky.
Azpilicueta hit best penalty of the lot, couldn't have got more top corner if he'd tried. He also hit a great one v Spurs.
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I will give Jorginho a chance as I remember Modric's early struggles.
Modric revealed himself only when he was made a CM. Jorginho is already an underwhelming CM
What a great penalty!!! the coolest penalty i have ever seen..
Never doubted he'd score, whereas with Morata it was the opposite.
Fair play. Hell of a last few weeks for him.
No doubt in anyone's mind he'd score.
No doubt in anyone's mind he'd score.
That was ice cold honestly. Credit where it's due.
Not a bad couple of months if he adds a Euro's winner medal to the UCL one
Saw some article claiming he should win the Balon D'Or if that happened
Saw some article claiming he should win the Balon D'Or if that happened
I think that’s how you play the role. Metronome. Calm and composed. He’s effective. No doubt about it
Bloody hell... he doesn't play that well for Chelsea...
Didn’t he just win the CL with you? We’d be calling him a legend
I think he’s just not rough and tumble enough for the PL but he suits European and international football more?Really? From what I've seen he was very good for Chelsea under Tuchel, maybe not quite as progressive with the ball as he's been in this Tournament but certainly the best he's been for Chelsea (wank for both Sarri and Lampard)
Like Busquets as well
It was great. Made him look like the coolest fecker on the planet
He’s another. He always has an extra second on the ball. Eyes in the back of his head. Will play a very tight 1-2 to progress the ball and break out of pressing traps It’s great to watch.
I think he's exactly the type of player we need. If we get a serious upgrade on Lindelof, we don't really need a defensive midfielder, we need a midfielder capable of progressing play and willing to take the ball at all opportunities. Playing out from the back against a competent pressing team requires that skillset.
Out of all our midfielders, it's probably only Garner who may come close to this profile.
He is so calm and composed. Can see why Pep wanted him. Rodri looks 2 levels below to him.
Not as great as Pirlo's Panenka wiping off the smug smile off Joe Hart's face. Pirlo penalty really affected England mentally and changed the tide (England was leading up until Pirlo's penalty. Pirlo was under immerse pressure and still pulled out the Panenka)
Yes, very good and good - not anything like I've seen him play for Italy in this tournament. But, you are right, probably you can't play 38 PL games like that.
And Busquets two levels above
Locatelli?
He’s had a good year with Chelsea but incredible for Italy
Well yes but as much as playactor he is Busquets is one of the best ever in that position so Jorginho can be levels below and still a greta player. Although I do think that it can be rather easy to overrun Jorginho at times with energetic midfielders.
He doesn't look that similar to me. Busquets plays the same role (a few classes above to be honest, but of course no spring chicken) but not many players I can think of that do this so competently. Can see why Pep wanted him originally.
Simon's goalkeeping for Jorginho's penalty was awful.
As far as winning penalties in a shootout go, it was cool.
But not as cool as Abreu against Ghana, eh @antohan?
But not as cool as Abreu against Ghana, eh @antohan?
He was running in treacle for Morata’s goal. Amazing pen though.
Jorgi ticked Italy as a team.Without runners alongside him he struggled often especially in pl same could be said about Italy too. With veratti subbed Spain gained advantage of slowness in jorginho s movement.
Tuchel made team for his weakness with three back formation.He often overrun in midfield despite alongside kante there is always numbers in defense. Frank totally got it wrong with him.
Sarri did better for jorginho with his slow possession style but turn over still exposed jorgi a lot under sarri.
Tuchel made team for his weakness with three back formation.He often overrun in midfield despite alongside kante there is always numbers in defense. Frank totally got it wrong with him.
Sarri did better for jorginho with his slow possession style but turn over still exposed jorgi a lot under sarri.
Was poor but took a great penalty. I'm surprised coaches like him that much given he can't defend, isn't much of a great passer and when things get real tight he stays away from the ball.
That was a very good penalty. I just wished once he got to the camera he shouted 'that was cold blooooooded' in his best Dave Chappelle/Rick James voice.
Great player, I rate him above Kante.
Would have loved it if we signed him instead of Chelsea, just the type of player we've missed since Carrick's retirement.
Would have loved it if we signed him instead of Chelsea, just the type of player we've missed since Carrick's retirement.
Well you clearly don’t watch him very much then.
He always makes himself available for a pass and along with Kovacic are two of the best midfielders in the world at playing in tight spaces. We even use this in our attacks with Tuchel to draw teams onto us and leave space behind.
My only issue with him is that (especially in Sarri’s reign) he would have too much of the ball when we weren’t playing well. He won’t make Hollywood passes, he keeps the team ticking.. which doesn’t particularly work if your team is playing badly.
Well, he literally just hid vs Spain. He's good in tight spaces, maybe even very good because he's got a really quick football brain but he doesnt have amazing footwork which means under pressure he normally just plays the ball back to the defenders which achieves nothing.
Just checked his wiki page. Fecking hell what a career. Those signing on feesAs far as winning penalties in a shootout go, it was cool.
But not as cool as Abreu against Ghana, eh @antohan?
| ears | Team | Apps | (Gls) |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1995–1996 | Defensor | 24 | (13) |
| 1996–1998 | San Lorenzo | 43 | (26) |
| 1998–2004 | Deportivo La Coruña | 15 | (3) |
| 1998 | → Grêmio (loan) | 7 | (1) |
| 1999–2000 | → Tecos (loan) | 33 | (27) |
| 2000–2001 | → San Lorenzo (loan) | 25 | (10) |
| 2001 | → Nacional (loan) | 18 | (16) |
| 2002–2003 | → Cruz Azul (loan) | 39 | (34) |
| 2003 | → América (loan) | 16 | (3) |
| 2004 | → Tecos (loan) | 17 | (5) |
| 2004–2005 | Nacional | 31 | (16) |
| 2005–2006 | Sinaloa | 34 | (22) |
| 2006 | Monterrey | 16 | (7) |
| 2007 | San Luis | 14 | (6) |
| 2007–2008 | UANL | 15 | (7) |
| 2008 | → River Plate (loan) | 17 | (2) |
| 2008 | Beitar Jerusalem | 0 | (0) |
| 2008–2009 | River Plate | 0 | (0) |
| 2009 | → Real Sociedad (loan) | 18 | (11) |
| 2009–2010 | Aris | 8 | (3) |
| 2010–2012 | Botafogo | 93 | (55) |
| 2012 | → Figueirense (loan) | 5 | (0) |
| 2013–2015 | Nacional | 18 | (5) |
| 2013–2014 | → Rosario Central (loan) | 38 | (8) |
| 2015 | → Aucas (loan) | 10 | (4) |
| 2016 | Sol de América | 10 | (2) |
| 2016 | Santa Tecla | 21 | (13) |
| 2017 | Bangu | 10 | (3) |
| 2017 | Central Español | 8 | (6) |
| 2017 | Puerto Montt | 13 | (11) |
| 2018 | Audax Italiano | 10 | (0) |
| 2018 | Magallanes | 9 | (3) |
| 2019 | Rio Branco | 8 | (6) |
| 2019–2020 | Boston River | 33 | (4) |
| 2021 | Athletic Club-MG | 4 | (0) |
| 2021 | Sud América | 4 | (0) |
See this is why Jorginho will always remain underrated. Even by Chelsea fans who watch him day in day out. It is also why a player like Kovacic who plays next to him will look more impressive 9/10 despite being the inferior player.
Jorginho makes the right decision 9.9 times out of 10. His footwork is average but as you say his mind his quick. That means he almost always makes the right decision, which includes not doing something daft like trying to dribble or dance your way out of pressure when you play as a deep lying midfielder. Losing the ball in that position means you gift the opposition a free goal scoring opportunity. There are almost no scenarios where dancing or dribbling your way out of pressure is the right decision in the position Jorginho plays. If you do that it either means you have failed to position yourself correctly or the the team has failed to do the same.
People who do not grasp football at a deep tactical level cannot see why a player like Jorginho is more effective and adds more value then say a player who is more nimble and able to dribble himself out of trouble. The latter is taking huge risks which usually do not compare with the added benefit. Not many players play that position better than Jorginho. It is extremely difficult and unforgiving position and job. One mistake and you probably cost your team a goal. Do the right thing and nobody will notice.
One criticism of Jorginho is that when he moves high up the pitch he becomes less effective because he is not a dribbling forward and does not posses qualities like Iniesta for example who could do a lot in different roles. Then again, Iniesta is an all time great who was extremely unique. The basic premise is that very few players can play dual roles and be effective in all areas of the pitch.
From twitter:
Most interceptions at #EURO2020
Jorginho - 20
Kante - 14
Most Interceptions at Euro 2020 per 90 (3 apps or more)
Kante - 3.2
Jorginho - 3.1
Best midfielders in Europe. pic.twitter.com/YNHwoCUEM9
— J5
(@ChelseaJF5) July 6, 2021
Most interceptions at #EURO2020
Jorginho - 20
Kante - 14
Most Interceptions at Euro 2020 per 90 (3 apps or more)
Kante - 3.2
Jorginho - 3.1
Best midfielders in Europe. pic.twitter.com/YNHwoCUEM9
— J5
(@ChelseaJF5) July 6, 2021Playing the ball immediately back to the defender achieves nothing under a full press. What makes the likes of Busquets special is they can find a way to play forward in those circumstances. What you call 'daft' is literally what makes some holding mids all time greats.