Didn't say that. Merely cited Pep as an example of a manager with a proper system and idea in place.
There's a riot if Mourinho even slightly frowns in their general direction, so that's not going to happen.
Lets look though at Jose's other teams I could never pin point a style of play other than them been great cohesive teams that play damn effective football. Not pedestrian but dangerous. Then I look at the players and he had at those teams and I defo look and see an improvement on ours. But ours I put 50% down to him so he's not without blame there. I think back to the CL game his Real vs us with the Nani sending off. They played pretty much like this United team over both legs. We were better until the sending off. They had superior players and Danny Welbeck was prob our best player with Van Persie missing some absolute sitters. Jose was on the touchline with Modric with 30 seconds of the red. Modric changed the game. They all looked like they knew their roles they all passed well and attacked well. I find it baffling we blame Jose for how the players are playing when I'm not sure he's the type of coach to instruct players to that preciseness of where to be and where to pass etc...I think he just leaves more than we think to the players. When we went defensive after the first goal scored against Leicester I don't think any message was given to the players to do that for instance....
Pretty sure that's exactly what Jose wants to do but imagine counter attacking with Mata
or our back 4 constantly hoofing the ball... Of course a new manager could improve things but I just cannot see us challenging City with a team like we have and people will want a new manager gone if we finish 2nd anyway so what's the point...It means he doesn't have a proper cohesive system for attack.
I doubt that's his vision for us, though he is that way traditionally. Thing is, when he came to United, he said he wanted to implement attacking football. I think he himself is torn between his usual style and the pressures of bowing to the club's expectations, and it has resulted in an ugly mess. Never a good thing to hire a manager and ask him to adapt his style, better get it right from the off.Pretty sure that's exactly what Jose wants to do but imagine counter attacking with Mata
City is miles ahead because of the manager. I know our fullbacks are poor but City had poor fullbacks a few years back and didn't look as clueless as us going forward. We had Martial and Rashford on fire and they've regressed in the last few years as well.
Pretty sure that's exactly what Jose wants to do but imagine counter attacking with Mata
Agree, we should of signed Robben years ago and gave him what he wanted. Other than Mbappe and Bale ( when fit ) there aren’t many successful RW in world football.
mane would have been fine or Mahrez we don't need world class players we need top quality and they are just that.
Agree, Mahrez would of been brilliant, if he was open to coming to us.
BBC have reported the same
Give it to Carrick till end of the season ?
I keep seeing comments like this. Give it temporally to Carrick; to McKenna; to Giggs; to Meulensteen (failure at Fulham); Phelan (failure at Hull) etc, but what are they like managing a team, what philosophy do they play. We want someone who at least plays attacking football, not someone who plays another disjointed negative way & out their depths as manager.
He plays a defensive system because that's all he knows. The defenders get exposed in it because of how much pressure they are always under, but we have the players (and defenders) to play a more front foot system and control games and dominate them through the system used. We would score far more and probably rely on de gea less then we do now. It's a team that's not suited to playing Mouriho style football, but he knows nothing else so can't get it to work.
No one doubts the squad needs improvement. Full backs specifically are a disgrace (literally only two natural full backs who aren’t even good plus a new youngster with potential). Don’t know why Mourinho was only targeting a fecking centre back when we have five of them (problematic as they may be).
I think he also said he wanted specialist players for positions
It's the state of the club post SAF.
Even if Zidane is struggling in year 3...he'll get the time to turn it around if the football is better. I know fans think this is a 2 year job for any manager but I think our fans and our history make it damn harder than it looks. Jose struggling so visibly even to his haters..they'll know its his biggest and only real failure to date! They'll only admit a deeper issue if ZZ fails so I think it's a necessary move....if it's done quick Pooch can have a few more years at spurs in his new stadium and then take over from ZZ
Actually you seem to be suggesting to fix what we have been doing we should keep on repeating ourselves.
Well then
This is what SAF would have done.....
This is very true. I hate to compare us to City, but look at the difference in their approach with bringing in Guardiola. They had that vision, and started putting it into practice, a long time before Guardiola arrived. They knew long ago what they wanted and how to go about it, appointing Tixi Bergtstein a couple of seasons before getting Pep etc. We don't have anybody high up who has the foresight to plan, footballing wise, for long term success. The appoinment of Jose shows us that.
City and Liverpool are far more organized and planned clubs than us at the moment. Hate to say that and I don't like praising them, but it's the reality.
Quite true. One only needs to look at what's happening now - Ed briefing the media continuously, Jose alternating between "I am grumpy" and "I am happy", Pogba talking shite about fines and attitudes to the press while Raiola is running his mouth freely about club transfers on Twitter.
Only problem I see with this is are fans and media going to give anyone enough time now to come in and do something. If we don’t make 4th 1 season will that automatically mean it’s time to get rid. Someone somwhere in the club is eventually going to have to stand up and say no this is what we are working towards and we’ll stay the path instead of just throwing money at the problem and resetting everything. (Ala what we did with LVG)
If people could see what was being worked towards (and we were okay with the dream scenario of that), then I think people would be more tolerant. LVG had the most obvious *shudder* philosophy but we only saw a glimpse of it working well and it seemed to disappear (never to return) before he was sacked.
Against the so called better teams, I think he does try and counter attack. Against the so called lesser teams, I think he tries to dominate possession but the issue with both of those is that we just don't have enough quality. We don't have enough quality defensively and I'm not sure we have enough quality in attack: Lingard, Rashford, Young, Martial, Pogba, all these players are so inconsistent with their decision making so we don't create enough chances. Suddenly you've got a situation where we look vulnerable in attack and defence. Lakaku didn't get enough quality early ball but missing that chance in the first half is inexcusable really. Second half we did get into decent areas but created nothing because we lack players who can consistently break teams down and I think it will cost Mourinho his job eventually.
There’s absolute not a chance we are worse in midfield than the like of Spurs and Arsenal who’ll dominate the ball more than us. Our attacking play is an absolute shambles and I’m not having that we have are much worse than some of the rest of the top teams. It’s a confidence issue, a coaching issue and a mentality issue. We play so reactive that we’ll never properly be on the front foot. Coupled with the fact that we aren’t even well organised, we are just shite.
Meanwhile Pep & Guardiola yell and rage and insult their players at times with no fanfare whatsoever. Just seen Klopp saying to his players run or I kill you. Pep having a proper go at Mendy openly etc.
It won't be the same because ZZ plays a style people like and as a human being he's liked. That means a lot and will buy him the time he needs to change us providing he keeps us top 4 during his reign and does not sell Le God Martial
I don't think we are worse in midfield but I don't think we are good enough in attacking areas or high areas, or at least not consistently. I don't think we have enough players high up the pitch who can weigh up the options, beat the man and pick the right pass/cross. Too many of our attacking players or wing/full backs aren't consishant enough with their decision making and when you've got defenders making mistakes as well, you're going to struggle.
