Inigo Montoya
Leave Wayne Rooney alone!!
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What? The trophy cabinet?He's going to absolutely smash it at Spurs, mark my words.
What? The trophy cabinet?He's going to absolutely smash it at Spurs, mark my words.
It was on national tv after the Belgium game, will have to look for footage.Quote? Footage?
I have no doubt Levy would have spoken to some of the players, Kane definitely.I wonder if he had some inside news that Poch was gone?
You don't go on TV and make noises like that unless you know something
I may be optimistic here but could he possibly stay now?It was on national tv after the Belgium game, will have to look for footage.
quote: "I also just got the news, but we will see what will happen", Alderweireld said. "That sometimes happens in football. Sometimes a trainer comes and sometimes he stays. We have achieved great things together, but I think it's time for something else."
That's a one off freak incident. The first 45 mins of that match certainly didn't look like a team that had downed tools.Poch, a team like ours shouldn't be getting beaten 7-1, even by Munich and the loss to Colchester, simply a shambles.
It might be an option I think. It was widely reported yesterday on Belgian tv that Poch lost the dressing room a while ago. 3 important players (Alderweireld, Vertonghen and Eriksen) refusing to sign a new deal was a pretty good indication.I may be optimistic here but could he possibly stay now?
The second half did, and most of this season too. Players saying the training methods weren't to there liking in the media isn't a good thing.That's a one off freak incident. The first 45 mins of that match certainly didn't look like a team that had downed tools.
That's your opinion mate.I don't see this, how has he been made the scape goat? He has been under performing for all of this season, never mind last season.
Was looking at some quotes from some of your players this morning, from the bits I read they seemed respectful rather than devastated he was gone.According to The Athletic, the players had begun to hate life under Poch.
Again that's your opinion, from Toby's remarks and the stories about training it seems the players weren't happy. Toby had a release clause?That's your opinion mate.
I don't think Poch is entirely at fault for Spurs' fall from grace this season. It's a combination of things, for me, such as Levy creating discontent among the squad through his refusal to pay his players their market worth or reluctance to grant them a release clause in their contracts (among other stipulations) resulting in them feeling trapped and no longer wishing to perform to the best of their ability.
Yeah that's what I get from it, again I loved Poch but he wasn't without his issues, Saturday will tell us a lot about how the players react especially given its a derby game that West Ham are always up for.Was looking at some quotes from some of your players this morning, from the bits I read they seemed respectful rather than devastated he was gone.
I don't think it's just an opinion. It's clear as day that players have been running down their contracts because they're miffed at not being paid their worth with some players more obvious about their displeasure than others (like Rose). Poch has been continually disabled from freshening up his squad on top - it's rare to go from sustained top 4 places season on season, then being Champions League finalists to obscurity all of a sudden. There is a bigger problem at hand and something like this has been expected for a while. Poch if anything deserves credit for maximising it for this long.That's your opinion mate.
I don't think Poch is entirely at fault for Spurs' fall from grace this season. It's a combination of things, for me, such as Levy creating discontent among the squad through his refusal to pay his players their market worth or reluctance to grant them a release clause in their contracts (among other stipulations) resulting in them feeling trapped and no longer wishing to perform to the best of their ability.
Agree with this.I don't think it's just an opinion. It's clear as day that players have been running down their contracts because they're miffed at not being paid their worth with some players more obvious about their displeasure than others (like Rose). Poch has been continually disabled from freshening up his squad on top - you don't go from Champions League finalists to obscurity from suddenly losing faith in the manager. There is a bigger problem at hand and something like this has been expected for a while. Poch if anything deserves credit for maximising it for this long.
Normally you’d expect a new manager bounce and a possible shellacking if the players have been unhappy and under the cosh. It’s Jose though, so enjoy your 1-0, and buckle in for plenty more .Yeah that's what I get from it, again I loved Poch but he wasn't without his issues, Saturday will tell us a lot about how the players react especially given its a derby game that West Ham are always up for.
He fought tooth and nail to have his demands met, but he still wanted out of the club after that, did he not?Again that's your opinion, from Toby's remarks and the stories about training it seems the players weren't happy. Toby had a release clause?
Again I like Poch, but it was time for him to go. Yeah the modern day footballer do get quite the free ride in situations like this. Toby apparently agreed to a new deal then backed out and that pissed Poch off (all rumour), the deal was always n the table at apparently £140,000 / week. that was about 2 seasons ago I think.He fought tooth and nail to have his demands met, but he still wanted out of the club after that, did he not?
This situation stinks of the modern-day footballer being shielded from blame whilst the manager gets thrown to the wolves.
I can't help but feel for Poch in all of this.
More than desperate. This is his last chance to resurrect his career and he will fail miserably.The first thing I thought when I saw him holding Spurs jersey: 'is he really that desperate?'
I couldn't agree more.I don't think it's just an opinion. It's clear as day that players have been running down their contracts because they're miffed at not being paid their worth with some players more obvious about their displeasure than others (like Rose). Poch has been continually disabled from freshening up his squad on top - it's rare to go from sustained top 4 places season on season, then being Champions League finalists to obscurity all of a sudden. There is a bigger problem at hand and something like this has been expected for a while. Poch if anything deserves credit for maximising it for this long.
You can see a lot of tactical parallels between this current Spurs squad and previously successful sides he has operated. Spurs owe much of their performance level to a solid defence with experienced top-class centre-halves (best defensive record in the league in 15/16 and 16/17, 3rd since then), which is similar to the part of the team where his Porto, Chelsea (both times) and Inter sides were strong. He also has the right type of midfielders who can graft and be positionally disciplined which has been a hallmark of almost all of his sides. Spurs defence and midfield are well drilled to play compactly, which is something he values highly. He has forwards that are strong in transitions and on the counter, Son and Ali being typical examples, which replicates some of the counter-attacking punch of all of his sides through the 2000s and early 2010s. And finally a centre-forward that can score 30 goals a season and hold the ball up. I'm struggling to think of another elite striker, apart from perhaps Lewandowski and Cavani, who would be a comparable or better fit in that regard.Who are these Jose type players? Other than the odd one or two the majority aren’t winners nor are they suited to his defensive approach.
Bloody hell, give him a chance - he hasn't even hung his legendary coat up yet.Jose Mourinho: #MourinhoOut trending on Twitter less than an hour after Tottenham appointment
Especially after seeing how it went for us. Its sad really, but it'll certainly put Spurs fans back in their box once the Jose express train has run through the club.Believe me, I'm trying not to be too precious but it's disappointing that two clubs with traditions of flair & attacking football should be so unromantic & treacherous that they recruited Mourinho.
Basically sums up twitter, the biggest abomination the internet threw up.Jose Mourinho: #MourinhoOut trending on Twitter less than an hour after Tottenham appointment
https://www.givemesport.com/1523125-jose-mourinho-mourinhoout-trending-on-twitter-less-than-an-hour-after-tottenham-appointment
Or Roy Keane???I wonder will he look at Carrick or McKenna that he worked with under us?
Aye, sad isn't it.Believe me, I'm trying not to be too precious but it's disappointing that two clubs with traditions of flair & attacking football should be so unromantic & treacherous that they recruited Mourinho.
Agreed, good post.I don't think it's just an opinion. It's clear as day that players have been running down their contracts because they're miffed at not being paid their worth with some players more obvious about their displeasure than others (like Rose). Poch has been continually disabled from freshening up his squad on top - it's rare to go from sustained top 4 places season on season, then being Champions League finalists to obscurity all of a sudden. There is a bigger problem at hand and something like this has been expected for a while. Poch if anything deserves credit for maximising it for this long.