Reading that reminded me of Van Gaal's left-foot-right-foot defender preoccupation. I guess all managers have their idiosyncrasies.
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Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
Yeah I understand that it's usual to have just 1 tall player in centre mid. But like I said do you think we'd be better equipped in the CL if we replaced Pogba with a player like Thiago. Then we would have the standard 1 tall CM without losing quality as Thiago is of a similar standard. I'm not denying that having tall players CAN produce problems, however I think Jose has got around this by the 1 additional tall player in our side being Pogba.
I thought I understood what you were trying to say as I've summed up here. Correct me if that's not fair abridgement.
You really give hostage to fortune with that line in bold though. Do you really think Matic and Pogba are not good enough to deal with fecking Stoke?
Stoke away is a relatively difficult fixture. Other top teams will lose points there too. Still, I and many other fans expected a more dominant performance. At times they were moving the ball quite well in midfield, Fletcher looked very lively. Our problems in that game may have nothing to do with our midfield though. Generally, I suspect that we may have problems in midfield against top opposition capable of free-flowing football or intense pressing and quick counters, not against Stoke. Matic and Pogba are way better than Stoke's mids.
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I don't see the problem, as long as the they're are technically gifted as well, which is what we have.
Haha, bless him.
I dont see the point of this thread. Its obvious Jose has bought tall players, whether thats the important attribute to him, or its just another attribute alongside the others that Jose looks for. So far its helped us win us 2 trophies, got us into Europe, and now top of the league scoring 16 goals with only 2 against. Jose hasnt picked the teams we play so we cant say how we will play against 'bigger' teams. It sounds like the op is not a Jose fan, and trying to pick fault where there is no fault, instead of enjoying whats developing.
Jose signed Mkhitaryan, he tried to sign Griezmann and Neymar, he plays Mata all the time... I'm sure he'd take Messi, or Marcelo if they were available.
I'm sure he likes the ability to overpower teams on set pieces, but I truly think he's targeting the best available players.
I'm sure he likes the ability to overpower teams on set pieces, but I truly think he's targeting the best available players.
Yet to buy any big areial monsters for the back 4 though, strangely, which potentially leaves us a little vulnerable to high balls into the box.
We also don't really have a reliable set piece taker/crosser to make use of our height in attacking areas.
We're a big side in terms of average height, but I'm not sure it offers us much of an advantage over opponents at the moment.
We also don't really have a reliable set piece taker/crosser to make use of our height in attacking areas.
We're a big side in terms of average height, but I'm not sure it offers us much of an advantage over opponents at the moment.
Perfect to counter the bus. When against a team who park the bus you will be forced to play slower tempo and rely on set pieces.
All of our CBs are easily over 6 foot
So how do we set up v City
And, Smalling aside, none are particularly good in the air.
Play the same way. Our defence is good. They will leave plenty of space behind for a quick counter. Maybe Pep will change his tactic.
Play both Rash and Martial, inject pace and dribbling against their defenders who struggle against that, especially Otamendi. Salah gave him a right roasting before the red card.
Matic needs to be 10/10 and not let the likes of Silva and De Bruyne exploit the spaces between the lines.
Id put Herrera on KDB
It's not a problem as long as they're capable footballers as well, which they are, no one can say that all that Matic, Pogba, Bailly, Zlatan, Lukaku and Lindelof offer is just height, and that's all the players Mourinho has signed over 6 foot.
He got what he wanted. Fans didn't.
Cowardly approach today.
He should have gone with 3-5-2. Playing young as a right winger was a disgrace
Appalling performance..
On the plus side, only 11 more games in the league to suffer the exact same tactics.
I think a league 2 side would of caused their defence more problems than Utd today.
A side that has struggled to score recently yet has conceded willynilly.
On the plus side, only 11 more games in the league to suffer the exact same tactics.
I think a league 2 side would of caused their defence more problems than Utd today.
A side that has struggled to score recently yet has conceded willynilly.
I think most of us will get tired of the way he approaches games like today after a while.
Everyone's forgotten what we were like at Anfield under SAF.
Today we missed Bailey, Fellaini and Pogba. Without Bailey he had to pick Young, without Fellaini/Pogba we had to play a 2 midfield with Matic&Herrera.
Had we had a bit more quality at the back and in the middle of the park it would have been bad (Jose would never let the horses run freely in a game like this) but not as bad as we saw
Had we had a bit more quality at the back and in the middle of the park it would have been bad (Jose would never let the horses run freely in a game like this) but not as bad as we saw
It was absolutely pathetic.
At least we now know how he’ll set up against City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs away.
Today would have been the perfect opportunity to really have a go at Liverpool. They were missing a key player and they’ve looked as fragile as feck at the back in every game leading up to this.
Not if he wins us titles
That was dire today from the "attacking" point of view. Non existent. United will need to play a lot better than that to get points from the City, Spurs and Chelsea games.
The kind of tactics that makes me question why I bother watching football.
"You can win titles, but you'll never get to see a dominating display against a top team again"?
No thanks.
Poor performance, hardly surprising though.
Jose is a fantastic manager for big clubs but not for the biggest clubs. A truly big team cannot afford to play like this.
Jose is a fantastic manager for big clubs but not for the biggest clubs. A truly big team cannot afford to play like this.
I'll take the first title under Jose at ANY cost. After that we can worry about the performances.
Whenever United get a result playing poorly, individually and collectively, yet win, it will always please those who are prone to confirmation bias.
Some points, though.
- We had one clear chance, so did they. I'd argue that their chance was more of a certain goal-scoring one though.
- They had a number of half-chances. We didn't. It wasn't the shut out being purported here. Just a lack of final third composure on their end. Any one of a number of half chances could have resulted in a goal. A shut out is when you limit even the half chances.
- Although set to defend deep and compressed we still seemed to have large gaps between the lines
- Lukaku doesn't run channels enough. When Rasford/Martial, etc, drop to defend Lukaku needs to be running more to make up for width lost. Clearing it centrally where the play is already packed only leads to frustrated losses of the ball.
Some points, though.
- We had one clear chance, so did they. I'd argue that their chance was more of a certain goal-scoring one though.
- They had a number of half-chances. We didn't. It wasn't the shut out being purported here. Just a lack of final third composure on their end. Any one of a number of half chances could have resulted in a goal. A shut out is when you limit even the half chances.
- Although set to defend deep and compressed we still seemed to have large gaps between the lines
- Lukaku doesn't run channels enough. When Rasford/Martial, etc, drop to defend Lukaku needs to be running more to make up for width lost. Clearing it centrally where the play is already packed only leads to frustrated losses of the ball.
Can't play like this against all the big teams, that's giving away too many points. City, Chelsea should be the games we keep it tight. Against this Liverpool...ridiculous.
I would have to agree with this. City are looking really good so far and they've beaten the two big teams they faced with ease. I wouldn't mind this set-up against City away, but we should be doing more against Liverpool.
We won't know until the end of the season though, this approach could work out. Too soon to call
Why worry at all? Just play balls-out football with the players that only a team of our size can attract. We will win titles, but in the meantime I'd rather not watch spineless, boring football.
Is Jose mourinho going to bench Mata in every big game where we need to control the ball and circulate it better.?
And keep trusting mkh who's absolutely dross ?
And keep trusting mkh who's absolutely dross ?
Why have people bumped this thread? We had a significantly shorter side today thanks to Pogba and Fellaini being injured so if anything our performance makes the OPs argument look even stranger.
These are the types of performances which make me not want to fully get behind him as a manager.