We're a joke. Does this club not know when it's time to release deadwood players?
Juan Mata | Official: Signs two-year contract with option of a third
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I’m in no way defending Mata, to me we bought a half decent number 10 & very rarely play him there...what I mean is Woodward & co May have been told Sancho or someone will come in 12 months, so there not going to buy 2nd or 3rd choice..mata is then the easy solution to renew.
Offering him a contract is terrible business in itself. Even if it's just a 1 year continuation at the same terms...
Your opinion is wrong.
Still can't get my head round trying to keep Mata. What the hell for??? Adds no value to the squad. Sell and replace. Now.
We cant leave everything and worry about it next season. Its very easy to replace him.
Love him as a player always wanted him at OT, his time as come now to move on, if UTD want that kind of player, younger a bit quicker, go for Brooks, from Bournemouth.
I wanted to ask why the club has even upped an initial offer but what's the purpose.
We actually offered a renewal, incredible.HF in Valencia with your 'Champions League Teams'
I think we are going to play diamond formation instead of the 4231. We would need at least 2 quality wingers to play 4231.
Mata would be a decent cover for someone like Felix, Dybala, Havertz, Fernandes, etc. But not as our main No.10.
This does seem really bizarre.
A player who wasn't even a regular in a real car crash of a season, and surely won't feature more next year.
People who say we've done this to be able to sell him later confuse me too. Surely we'd only be offering a 1 year deal, meaning there would be zero re-sell anyway.
Not to mention that lashing out 7-8m on in wages him seems zero sense versus the fee we'd hope to achieve anyway.
A player who wasn't even a regular in a real car crash of a season, and surely won't feature more next year.
People who say we've done this to be able to sell him later confuse me too. Surely we'd only be offering a 1 year deal, meaning there would be zero re-sell anyway.
Not to mention that lashing out 7-8m on in wages him seems zero sense versus the fee we'd hope to achieve anyway.
Mata will be fine, a good option form the bench sometimes, a good influence on the dressing room, and saves us having to buy another player to replace him, when we need so much already, could really see him as coach one day further down the line too, what's not to like?
'Deadwood' is Rojo, Darmian, Sanchez, Periera, Jones, etc, lets get rid of a few of them first.
'Deadwood' is Rojo, Darmian, Sanchez, Periera, Jones, etc, lets get rid of a few of them first.
I reckon they are only keeping him as not confident in signing better players.
Because the opposite, aka renewing all the deadwood contracts, has worked very well so far.
Btw, I like Mata, but he is deadwood. Not good enough for this level anymore.
Don't think so, I just think people's minds are distorting this after the season gone, and with unrealistic expectations for this summer.
5 in 5 out is probably where we'll be this summer, and Mata is no way near the '5', he's a good option from the bench, and unlike many, a good guy for Ole to have in the dressing room.
Do we have a new update or is this a random bump ?
Corrected.
We have. According to spanish sources we've improved our offer and he is going sign the contract extension.
I'm lost for words, our club is a circus.
Who will leave then except for Valencia..
Valencia and Herrera for sure, I would guess Bailly or Rojo, Darmian probably, hopefully Sanchez, maybe Lukaku, maybe Pogba, maybe Andreas Pereira... Still think Mata will ultimately leave. We need more out of course, and it's definitely annoying we arent going for a bigger clear out. I keep saying it but by the end of summer 2020, if we are serious, we should have 10-15 of the current squad gone.
Hopefully Darmian, Rojo (although theres some strange talk about him as a DM) and Alexis at least. Pereira too is not gonna make it.
Well this is why I in particular didn't want Solskjaer, he seems to be reinforcing the old guard and thus far all the talk about us being in the market for XYZ seems like alot of media rubbish.
That's Smalling, Jones, Mata, Young all offered new deals that's 44% of the starting 11.
That's Smalling, Jones, Mata, Young all offered new deals that's 44% of the starting 11.
You're aware when Smalling, Jones and Young were offered new deals, especially Smalling?
Yeah I basically just make my big list and if they're all gone before 20/21 I'll be happy enough.
- Grant
- Darmian
- Rojo
- Jones
- Bailly
- Young
- Matic
- Herrera
- Pereira
- Mata
- Sanchez
- Lukaku
- ***de gea/pogba/martial (no guarantees about these, obvious preferences in things turning out well with them but all could be gone in the next 2 seasons)
Smalling, Young, Jones, and Mata all renewed
Rewarding mediocrity with shiny new contracts
Rewarding mediocrity with shiny new contracts
They are not the mediocre players in the teamSmalling, Young, Jones, and Mata all renewed
Rewarding mediocrity with shiny new contracts
The mediocre players are Martial, Pogba, Lukaku, Sanchez and De Gea.
It’s better to get 100% out of a 7/10 player than 50% of a 9/10.
Smalling, Young, Jones and Mata could all look you in the eye and say they tried after a game.
It's easy to say Mata should be replaced. It's harder to say he should be replaced before the likes of Sanchez, Herrera, Valencia, Darmian, Rojo, Lukaku etc. It's harder again to actually replace all those players, especially if you also end up having to replace players you'd ideally keep like Pogba and De Gea too.
Given there's a limit to the amount of business we can/will do in one summer, we have to have priorities in terms of which dross we sell. This is part of what makes being a manager tough, deciding which poor players will give you more than the other poor players in your side.
It might be that of all the should-be-sold players filling our squad, Mata falls into the pragmatically-keep-for-now camp more than most, at which point extending his stay so we can focus on other areas makes sense. The only way we can really judge is when we see what other transfers are made this summer.
Given there's a limit to the amount of business we can/will do in one summer, we have to have priorities in terms of which dross we sell. This is part of what makes being a manager tough, deciding which poor players will give you more than the other poor players in your side.
It might be that of all the should-be-sold players filling our squad, Mata falls into the pragmatically-keep-for-now camp more than most, at which point extending his stay so we can focus on other areas makes sense. The only way we can really judge is when we see what other transfers are made this summer.
They will back the manager financially they say
Rebuild they say
We are currently in front of getting him with City isn’t interested, yet the board still can’t back the manager financially to get him. That doesn’t make sense.
It seems we are a retirement home. Why can't we clear out players when they first start showing signs of declining so we can at least get something for them instead we give them high paying new contracts.
I dont see the point of giving him another contract, he is a nothing player.
He wouldn't top the list of players we need out. But to offer him anything more than a year's extension doesn't seem worth it. I'd rather he just left.
It's a long season, could be a lot of games in league cup, europa league etc, doesn't hurt to give him a year as a rotation option.
skillful player, can score a goal too
skillful player, can score a goal too
They will let go Herrera and de gea, fan favourites but not let deadwood leave and replace them which is a result of terrible D grade management on football side.
Yours could also be wrong, Silva & De Bruyne are not quick players, speed is not what holds Mata back.Your opinion is wrong.
He's about 12th in the list of players we should get rid of, so given that we aren't going to sell and replace 12 players this Summer a 12 month extension makes sense.
He's also the kind of character that you'd want around some of the youngsters. He works hard, is humble, technically gifted etc.
He's also the kind of character that you'd want around some of the youngsters. He works hard, is humble, technically gifted etc.
If most other things are being done right and there are good players at the club in good form, he can still be an asset as a squad player. He's so far down the list of problems I can't find even the slightest bit of will to be bothered about him staying.
Do we know if it is 12 months because apparently the reason he hadn't signed was he wanted a longer contract than that. He is reportedly on quite a high wage also (150k?) I just do not see the need to keep him when he has been largely ineffective these past 12 months, is getting slower and assisting and scoring at his lowest rate in years. Why not let a youth player take his squad place, it's not as if we will challenge for any major honours anytime soon.
Really hope he doesn't sign. Was a good player but he is done now. Crazy that we're even thinking of offering him a deal. Says to me that they don't really want to splash the cash on too many new players so are trying to tie down the ones near end of contract.
The chances are the likes of Lukaku and Sanchez will already leave, whilst being replaced by a ready made attacker and another young player (James).
Greenwood, Chong and Gomes are also at least 12-18 months away from having a meaningful impact on the first team. We're almost certainly going to be short of attackers next season so keeping one of our lowest earning attackers rather than losing him on a free is a no brainer I'd say.
At the same time we want to finish in the top 4 next year. Likewise I highly doubt wece offered a 2 year deal on the same terms he signed when he was one of the best players in the league.