Mata has never proven himself to be world class in any system. Not for Us, Chelsea or Spain(not that he gets a look in.)
Juan Mata
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Mata has never proven himself to be world class in any system. Not for Us, Chelsea or Spain(not that he gets a look in.)
Happy to see him go for anything approaching 30M and up.
They aren't stupid.
Can't believe with the amount of shit we have in our squad, that Juan Mata is the first player we're planning on getting rid of.
When will the likes of Jones, Young and Valencia feck off? The likes of Carrick and Rooney are well past it too but no doubt Jose is gonna give them a ton of chances this season even when they're not up to standard.
Mata deserves better than this. He scored some vital goals for us and loves the club. Would be gutted to see him leave.
When will the likes of Jones, Young and Valencia feck off? The likes of Carrick and Rooney are well past it too but no doubt Jose is gonna give them a ton of chances this season even when they're not up to standard.
Mata deserves better than this. He scored some vital goals for us and loves the club. Would be gutted to see him leave.
1) it was just a corner kick. It's not like he as instrumental to anything else. Torres won the corner that Drogba scored from and he's a terrible player.
2) I meant the Europa league. No need to be rude.
Well you have to have interested buyers to make a sale right? It's not like you say we won't sell Mata until we sell this other guy.
You get the deals done when you can get them done. Maybe Mata has a better agent?
Our side is technically poor. Leaving aside the old guard: there are players in every position you can say that should be sold before Mata. As it is we aren't having any natural #10 in our side (Januzaj if you want to, as he says he is more comfortable there), which makes this sale all the more foolish. He is technically better than every player in our side, has fantastic vision, good stats as well. Selling him would be bonkers
Great post, Mata was brilliant for 2 seasons at Chelsea but the key thing is for those 2 seasons Chelsea themselves were far from brilliant
Assuming we do move to 4-3-3 next season I really don't see a position for Mata even as a backup for someone (not like Herrera for example who can play in a midfield 3), that being said Everton is a massive step down for him
Mata won player of the year twice while he was at Chelsea including the season they won the CL. For you to suggest he wasn't instrumental is simply laughable.
He's obviously a goner and I won't miss him.
You can't really sell Rooney. Who would be stupid enough to pay him even half of what he's getting at United? My only hope is some Chinese or Qatari club pouncing on that although he might think he's still too young to go there which brings us to the previous point.
Sure, the teams he may have played in have not won a league title. But he has been a key part of teams in winning the Copa Del Ray, FA Cup (x2), EL, and CL. A good player, who I'll be sad to see go.
I do understand why, however, but wish him all the best, should he leave.
I do understand why, however, but wish him all the best, should he leave.
He has scored some really important goals for us in big games but i think he is a little overrated by some. Most games he goes missing and gets pushed of the ball far to easy and he mostly pass it sideways or backwards. I think Mourinho is planning us to be a physical and paceful counter attacking team and Mata would not fit in that kind of style IMO
He was hardly instrumental in their CL campaign.
There is one thing I've always liked about him - scoring when it matters, especially in the final minutes. He literally never failed when through on goal or being found in the penalty box. Always passed the ball into the net, very dependable finisher and assistant and a great guy. Sadly, his physicality and defensive fragility coupled with Mourinho's vision will see him out. Good luck.
Its funny reading that Everton forum and some of the stuff they are saying. Its like they think they are Madrid now that they are the laterst Lottery winners.
We should only sell him when we are sure we have someone better to replace him. Wait until January to see how Miki gets on or buy another forward now that we are sure is a better player and sell Mata.
For 25 mill, it is a good deal. I would rather sell Herrera though.
It's Everton. We need to hold out for more. feck those cnuts. Start the bidding at 25m POUNDS. Anything more is a bonus.
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/11562/transfer-talk/2016/07/04/25307942/-
Valencia are apparently interested in bringing Mata back too. Makes more sense than Everton anyway.
For the quoted 26M, they can sod off. They value Lukaku at 65M, Stones wont be sold even at 40M and Fellaini at 27M.
Not to forget that PL teams have truck loads of money and the likes of Palace are going for 38M players etc.
Not to forget that PL teams have truck loads of money and the likes of Palace are going for 38M players etc.
he could easily contribute to Atletis cause if Simeone decided to buy him, the guy is good enough to play at the highest level even if he hasnt been a great success here.
If everton buy Mata is barkley off?
Or is Mata going to play on the wing again (which does not really suit him)
Or is Mata going to play on the wing again (which does not really suit him)
I think its a big mistake selling Juan and keeping Rooney. Sort of knew this could happen, but im still hoping its the usual paper bollocks.
I think Barkley will play deeper.
Sure he wasn't... So explain how he won PotY then if he was such a non-entity in helping his club win the biggest trophy in their history.
Mata is a very good player when played in his correct position (number 10) and used in the right way don't think they would be so excited about Young, Jones or Rojo
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If we came up against him playing for Everton next season would you be worried?
That might just be that he is not a winger in a million years and Moyes an LVG don't know their arse from their elbows. He is a number 10 that's his position and if we had played him there consistently we would have seen a much better player I'm sure
Didn't he also get the assist on the winning goal for the final
He did but that poster still seems to think that he contributed nothing
Back when there was very feint links in the media between Mourinho and Everton, a lot of them really believed Everton would be a better prospect for Jose than United, PSG or a return to Madrid. Lunacy.
For the most part he did worse when he was given the chance at #10 than he did on the wing. Most often playing there just meant that he was given even less space which just exaggerated his bad tendencies of passing it back or getting wrestled of the ball.
I actually want to know who was Chelsea's best player in their CL and Europa winning seasons according to those who think Mata was average during his time at Chelsea
It is not a mistake at all. They both shouldn't be here. Getting rid of one, we are one step closer to becoming a fluid attacking unit again.
He’s a nice enough lad and a good player. But he’s a little fanny.
The best way to assess a player is the teams that are interested in buying him, or where he would be guaranteed a game. Everton is about right for Juan Mata. 6 inches taller, 2 stone heavier and a dam sight quicker then you’re looking at a world class player.
He never was a United player though. We were desperate for any kind of spark or touch of class when we signed him and he was the best player available and so at the time (was it just after that Fulham game) so it was maybe seen as a worthwhile gamble. I don’t think he’s let us down, or flopped as such but equally hasn’t been a good signing.
He was never going to be given a central #10 position and all the freedom that comes with that for us. So straight away he was a poor fit as that is what he needs. In the perfect conditions for him I am sure he’d get 20 goals and 20 assists. But you would lose goals and assists and strength in other areas of the team to accommodate that. In essence, the archetypical “luxury player”.
Good luck to him though. I hope he does get the system and freedom he needs where ever he does go.
The best way to assess a player is the teams that are interested in buying him, or where he would be guaranteed a game. Everton is about right for Juan Mata. 6 inches taller, 2 stone heavier and a dam sight quicker then you’re looking at a world class player.
He never was a United player though. We were desperate for any kind of spark or touch of class when we signed him and he was the best player available and so at the time (was it just after that Fulham game) so it was maybe seen as a worthwhile gamble. I don’t think he’s let us down, or flopped as such but equally hasn’t been a good signing.
He was never going to be given a central #10 position and all the freedom that comes with that for us. So straight away he was a poor fit as that is what he needs. In the perfect conditions for him I am sure he’d get 20 goals and 20 assists. But you would lose goals and assists and strength in other areas of the team to accommodate that. In essence, the archetypical “luxury player”.
Good luck to him though. I hope he does get the system and freedom he needs where ever he does go.
I get what you mean, i just think we are probably going to have a proper attack next season, and he could benefit from all that movement around him. I know he's been underwhelming, and i doubt we will get rid of both, so having to let one go i'd have picked wayne.
Realistically, everyone knows if one had to go.. it should be Wayne, but there is alot of politics going on behind the scenes. Rooney will also be let go, but it will be done gradually. I think he will be benched by November time and we will get alot of interest and issues in the January transfer window.
Agree with this.