Jude Bellingham | Real Madrid player

Some of the worlds best players have been arrogant and I wonder if those that hate Bellingham for this supposed trait hate Cantona or Zlatan for this same characteristic?


Also he can play basically all roles from midfield onwards to varying degrees because his game is almost complete. I’ve seen him play well as the deepest midfielder too. He, like most players, will be more or less effective depending on their teammates complimentary qualities.


We say players are like robots now and when they show some character or individuality they get trashed. I’d rather he keeps the desire to win and drags his teammates to that mentality than he take a step back and we see the kind of mental fragility that we’ve seen at United for the last 7 to 10 years.
 
Saw his recent press conference when he spoke out about the treatment he and his family got at the euros, i thought he articulated his issues brilliantly.
 
He kind of reminds me of Frank Lampard.

A goal scorer from attacking midfield that can play CM but not necessarily the best on the ball in deeper positions. However Bellingham is a better all rounder in deeper positions.

I can see Bellingham moving on from Madrid because I think he is too direct for a league that enables Antony to look like Neymar on the right wing. There's just too much space to play directly more than technically further up the pitch in attacking positions.

It depends if he fits Xabi Alonso's tactics well maybe takes Wirtz role at Madrid & thrives.

However if he does move one - where do people think he may go to? I can see him at City.
 
He kind of reminds me of Frank Lampard.

A goal scorer from attacking midfield that can play CM but not necessarily the best on the ball in deeper positions. However Bellingham is a better all rounder in deeper positions.

I can see Bellingham moving on from Madrid because I think he is too direct for a league that enables Antony to look like Neymar on the right wing. There's just too much space to play directly more than technically further up the pitch in attacking positions.

It depends if he fits Xabi Alonso's tactics well maybe takes Wirtz role at Madrid & thrives.

However if he does move one - where do people think he may go to? I can see him at City.
I don't think he's the type of player city needs, I would expect more like Chelsea or Liverpool.
 
He kind of reminds me of Frank Lampard.

A goal scorer from attacking midfield that can play CM but not necessarily the best on the ball in deeper positions. However Bellingham is a better all rounder in deeper positions.

I can see Bellingham moving on from Madrid because I think he is too direct for a league that enables Antony to look like Neymar on the right wing. There's just too much space to play directly more than technically further up the pitch in attacking positions.

It depends if he fits Xabi Alonso's tactics well maybe takes Wirtz role at Madrid & thrives.

However if he does move one - where do people think he may go to? I can see him at City.

Not seen much from Madrid this season but after seeing him play for England, he is superior to our other midfielders. Comfortable on the ball and can dribble out.

He needs to concentrate on becoming a box to box or some sort rather than a pure attacking mid which would benefit England but that’s my opinion.
 
That is incredibly damning.

Unless Ancelotti is instructing Bellingham to start and finish all the attacks.
It isn't. Mbappe has never been a natural fit for solo, lead the Line cf. Seeing him do that is 100% unsurprising. That is why Ancelotti's set up change from the diamond that had Bellingham by default finishing off attacks in the center without weakening midfield
was baffling
 
It isn't. Mbappe has never been a natural fit for solo, lead the Line cf. Seeing him do that is 100% unsurprising. That is why Ancelotti's set up change from the diamond that had Bellingham by default finishing off attacks in the center without weakening midfield
was baffling
It’s been 4 months?

Why reply now?
 
Seen Gary Cotterill on Sky trying to start an idea he’s “unsettled” and “has had his love of football taken away from him” at Madrid, weird anger they’ve got that he said no to the Prem
 
The way Bellingham is being used is really stupid to be honest.

Part of it is due to injuries, the other part is due to tactical stupidity.

Fran Garcia can't defend down the left, and Vinicius tracking back is never going to happen.

This means that off the ball Madrid end up in a bit of a 4-4-2 style formation, with Bellingham being the covering defensive midfielder down the left. For some reason Ancelotti doesn't like Mendy as he didn't play when fit and right now he's injured anyway.

Given RB problems as well, Valverde often ends up playing RB. This means that their primary hustle bustle all action midfielder is stuck at Full Back, and their other midfielders like Camavinga and Tchouemeni aren't creative enough. Bellingham has to then compensate for both the creative attacking play, ball carrying and covering down the left hand side.
 
For some reason Ancelotti doesn't like Mendy as he didn't play when fit and right now he's injured anyway.
What? Mendy is always the first name on the sheet when he's not injured. He's just injured A LOT unfortunately

Other than that, issue this season has been two-fold: pressure(and desire, tbf) to start Rodrygo consistently plus injuries taking other options away
 
What? Mendy is always the first name on the sheet when he's not injured. He's just injured A LOT unfortunately

Other than that, issue this season has been two-fold: pressure(and desire, tbf) to start Rodrygo consistently plus injuries taking other options away

I'm 99.999% sure he spent most of Jan/Feb on the bench.

EDIT - checking Transfermarkt, he started less than 50% of games he was available in.
 
Because he was recovering from injury
Regardless, having a full back who cannot defend very well and a left sided attacker who never tracks back means that Bellingham is being forced to be the team's main creative force and to do the dogs work that valverde would usually do.

All in all he's being heavily misused. So many times Madrid win the ball and Bellingham isn't in position to carry the ball forward because he was too busy tracking the run of the opposition fullback/winger
 
Regardless, having a full back who cannot defend very well and a left sided attacker who never tracks back means that Bellingham is being forced to be the team's main creative force and to do the dogs work that valverde would usually do.

All in all he's being heavily misused. So many times Madrid win the ball and Bellingham isn't in position to carry the ball forward because he was too busy tracking the run of the opposition fullback/winger
Yeah that's spot on. As I said, it's partly just injuries across the squad taking other off other options, but there's also been a push and willingness to give Rodrygo significant minutes, presumably because the club was afraid of losing him otherwise
 
The way Bellingham is being used is really stupid to be honest.

Part of it is due to injuries, the other part is due to tactical stupidity.

Fran Garcia can't defend down the left, and Vinicius tracking back is never going to happen.

This means that off the ball Madrid end up in a bit of a 4-4-2 style formation, with Bellingham being the covering defensive midfielder down the left. For some reason Ancelotti doesn't like Mendy as he didn't play when fit and right now he's injured anyway.

Given RB problems as well, Valverde often ends up playing RB. This means that their primary hustle bustle all action midfielder is stuck at Full Back, and their other midfielders like Camavinga and Tchouemeni aren't creative enough. Bellingham has to then compensate for both the creative attacking play, ball carrying and covering down the left hand side.
Plain tactical stupidity. Ancelotti abandon ed the diamond that suited his players best fr this ridiculous 4-2-3-1 and flat 4-4-2 set ups he has used all this season. Literally removing his two most important midfielders in Valverde and Bellingham from the heart of things. Even worse removing Bellingham from being the true focal point of the attack.
 
Plain tactical stupidity. Ancelotti abandon ed the diamond that suited his players best fr this ridiculous 4-2-3-1 and flat 4-4-2 set ups he has used all this season. Literally removing his two most important midfielders in Valverde and Bellingham from the heart of things. Even worse removing Bellingham from being the true focal point of the attack.

Although he's immensely past it, putting on Lucas Vazquez at RB to free up Valverde at CM is a much much better option than putting Valverde at RB and hoping Camavinga/Tchouemeni can do the job Valverde does (hint, they cannot).
 
Although he's immensely past it, putting on Lucas Vazquez at RB to free up Valverde at CM is a much much better option than putting Valverde at RB and hoping Camavinga/Tchouemeni can do the job Valverde does (hint, they cannot).
The worst tactical move I saw this season was starting Camavinga with a nigh 40 Modric in center midfield away vs Arsenal. With Mbappe and Vincius not known for their consistency in defensive pressing infront of them. In a flat 4-4-2.

Fact is even if he feels placing Valverde at right back for defensive solidity is neccesaryy. He should still operat a diamond midfield of Tchoumeni at the base, Camavinga on one side. Ceballos/Diaz on the other and Bellingham at the tip.

And If he ever plays a Rodrigo. He should be at the tip since he can be relied om t work hard . With Bellingham and Valverde either side. So that Vini and Mbappe are never relied on for any defensive protection as the twin strikers upfront.


Ive also always found strange his aversion to using a natural cb at rb like he used to do with a Nacho.
 
Tell me you haven't followed Real Madrid without telling me you haven't followed Real Madrid :lol:

Anyways, for all that he's not being played to his strenghts, he's still been great anyways. Fantastic player
 
Although he's immensely past it, putting on Lucas Vazquez at RB to free up Valverde at CM is a much much better option than putting Valverde at RB and hoping Camavinga/Tchouemeni can do the job Valverde does (hint, they cannot).
He played Vazquez at RB and Valverde in the midfield in both of the Barcelona games, in which RM got obliterated.
 
And Raphinha vs Vazquez is a terrible mismatch, not all teams have such a LW. Especially not Arsenal for example.

I mean there are more systemic problems than just Valverde/Vazquez at RB, but if you're watching La Liga it's not even the big teams they're struggling against.

I went to the Rayo Vallecano Madrid game in person to watch, and it was just terrible football by Madrid.
 
Valverde played like 10 matches at RB this season, a bunch of which because Lucas wasn't available either. It's not like he's been playing significant minutes there instead of midfield

We simply went into the season with a thin squad in defence and midfield, didn't replace Kroos properly and then injuries did the rest
 
Valverde played like 10 matches at RB this season, a bunch of which because Lucas wasn't available either. It's not like he's been playing significant minutes there instead of midfield

We simply went into the season with a thin squad in defence and midfield, didn't replace Kroos properly and then injuries did the rest

This...and giving Luka too much responsability at this stage of his carreer. While Mbappe and Vini not doing a great job to interact and get better along with each other.
Rodrygo that at times in the past was the stuff that walked in between, joining everything and delivering in some huge moments, this season he had its up and lows and looks like he doesn't know where he is, what to demand, what to do (to stay, go to another club, how to make the other two wrok together and with him).
All in all, the simplistic view of the: now with Killian we go for it, was and would always would be silly when life rears it's ugly head and gives a reality check, yet given the circumnstances, the season isn't going that bad at all. Some people here acted like if Real was fighting for staying in first difvision.
 
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Valverde played like 10 matches at RB this season, a bunch of which because Lucas wasn't available either. It's not like he's been playing significant minutes there instead of midfield

We simply went into the season with a thin squad in defence and midfield, didn't replace Kroos properly and then injuries did the rest
That and the inane switch from the diamond have hurt.
 
Embarrassing clip.


He had many scenes like this one in his last Dortmund season. Bellingham can contribute a lot in defense but he's a highlight player on both ends of the pitch, IMO, not one you can trust to reliably fulfill his less flashy defense duties like closing down space. Rumours had it that Hummels once criticized him heavily in the dressing room for abandoning his position in the pressing formation too often for risky efforts to win the ball and not tracking back enough, sometimes even in immediate succession.

I thought he had grown out of that for Madrid but it seems it's not the case. They probably need a more rigid coach that has all of them do the annoying work as well instead of cherry picking their moments.
 
Embarrassing clip.

Yeah, I saw this at the time. He's busy making a youtube thumbnail reaction face instead of closing down the pass that leads to the goal.
 
Embarrassing clip.


The play afterwards is also strange, three players tracking one but no pressure on him, just standing off then Pedri just walks the edge of the box to receive a rolled pass. It's like 6pm beach football stuff in a big game.
 
Nah, forward not tracking a player from midfield while the team has numerical advantage in defence is very "let's make up a reason to hate on a guy" stuff

It's not his job. Trusting Fran Garcia so little that we sent 3 players to close down Lamine was the problem
 
He definitely could have done more in tracking back for that goal because Pedri himself took a good while to actually get up the pitch to score. That being said, Jude had a great game overall and was easily Madrid's best player.