whats scarry is that now someone will have to shoot one of our players before he gets a penalty award.
"Just how bad a decision was it?"
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This season that's how it's felt all along anyway!
Gomes made the mistake of not making enough of a touch on the ball. Otherwise, it would have been more clear. The only way to rectify this situation would have been through video replay, which is still inconclusive. Therefore, Webb's decision would have been allowed to stand anyway.
If Video replays had already been brought in, Webb would probably have stopped the game. If then the video jury comes back and says "No foul", Webb would have to award a dropped ball and it couldn't be like the ones they do now for fake injuries where one team is ordered to kick it to the opponents who aren't challenging for it. No, it would have to be a proper full on challenge drop ball. Apart from the defending kicker, the others would have to go behind the line as the incident happened 10 yards out. Could almost be as good as a penalty if the attacking team's kicker was quicker.
I cannot believe the big fuss over this penalty in the media, it's ridiculous. It's just a bloody scapegoat for Spurs bottling a big lead, again! The way we was playing, a goal was going to be scored sooner rather than later, and it would have got the place buzzing, helping us to win the game, or at least draw it. I have no doubts about that. The way the lads came out firing on all cylinders was fantastic, the game would never have finished 2-0.
It's not as if the score was 2-2 and we was awarded this "dodgy penalty" in the 92nd minute, for feck sakes! We'll never hear the end of this either, it will always be brought up when United get awarded a penalty at Old Trafford that isn't a stone-waller. As someone posted above, our players will have to be shot down before we get another penalty awarded this season.
It's not as if the score was 2-2 and we was awarded this "dodgy penalty" in the 92nd minute, for feck sakes! We'll never hear the end of this either, it will always be brought up when United get awarded a penalty at Old Trafford that isn't a stone-waller. As someone posted above, our players will have to be shot down before we get another penalty awarded this season.
Anyone wanna bet they'll bring it up tonight during the game against Arse?
It's funny how the ABUhaters are clinging on and making a big deal about this cause they thought we were dead at halftime. I say let them be, we all know our mental strength and spurs lack of it was the REAL reason for a 5-0 scoreline in the second half.
It's funny how the ABUhaters are clinging on and making a big deal about this cause they thought we were dead at halftime. I say let them be, we all know our mental strength and spurs lack of it was the REAL reason for a 5-0 scoreline in the second half.
Agreed
And for all this "ah but it gave you momentum" talk, it completely misses the fact we HAD momentum, we were starting to lay siege on the Spurs goal, the crowd was up, Spurs were dropping deeper and deeper... you never know what would have happened, but the most ridiculous thing to come out of this is Harry Redknapp's claim Spurs would definitely have won the game had the penalty not been given. Prat
i know. and it's funny that 99% of the people, when asked when they first saw it if they thought it was a penalty, they say yes. webb obviously did too. there's no replay and shouldn't be so all the arguing is pointless. it meant nothing nothing in the end was wasn't some sort of turning point. that came when tevez stepped on the pitch.
It's no wonder we so rarely get them when the ref's that give them are scrutinised and vilified in the media to such an extent as Webb has been in this instance.
well lets just say the penalty was not given ...how do they explain the other four goals that was scored ...
It's the unspoken rule that if you're staging a comeback from 2 goals down at half time, you need to get a goal within the hour, failing which you're supposed to just accept defeat and go away quietly. Conversely if you succeed, the other team naturally folds to concede another 4.
So it can be seen that the penalty, was in fact worth 5 goals.
Facht!
you keep going on about Gomez "winning" the ball. He didn't. He merely got a slight touch on it and it can justifiably be argued that he made sure he took the man in doing merely that. Similarly, outfield, players clatter into others and justify it by saying he got a touch on the ball whilst the player is put into Row 67. Far dodgier pens have been given with barely a murmur but this involves Manchester United. Normal rules don't apply. This incident aside, I've been saying for yonks that the media are putting pressure on referees at every contentious issue that inevitably benefits United (just as they inevitably benefit other teams) and as a result we are missing out on penalties, being wrongly flagged offside and players being sent off for "offences" that would go unnoticed with other clubs. It has reached such a pitch that refs are terrified of awarding us pens (despite this last one) because they know they'll be put thru the ringer by the media.....and if they didn't know it before, they sure do now.
Spot on, very good post.
I can't actually remember the last penalty we were awarded where there was no controversy and people claiming we shouldn't have been given it, no matter how blatant.
Fair play to Webb. If the ref says he made a mistake, i think that should close the debate.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hzmlK_5x1utgvh20J3eoibONY4kQ
Rubbish, every TV replay I have seen shows a foul on Carrick. The only mistakes Webb did make were not sending off Palacios and Gomes
You haven't done the ratings yet you retard
Meanwhile, it has emerged Spurs midfielder Jermaine Jenas could face disciplinary action over his comments about Webb's decision.
The Football Association has given him seven days to respond to his remarks in which he said Webb had "crumbled under pressure".
Jenas was quoted as saying: "The atmosphere, the occasion, the importance of the match, a lot of factors take their toll when making decisions.
"One thing which struck me was that [Webb] didn't even think. It was like he'd already made his mind up when he came out for the second half that he was going to give something."
Conspiracyyyyyy, he's been reading RAWK too much, give him a ban.
The Football Association has given him seven days to respond to his remarks in which he said Webb had "crumbled under pressure".
Jenas was quoted as saying: "The atmosphere, the occasion, the importance of the match, a lot of factors take their toll when making decisions.
"One thing which struck me was that [Webb] didn't even think. It was like he'd already made his mind up when he came out for the second half that he was going to give something."
Conspiracyyyyyy, he's been reading RAWK too much, give him a ban.
To be honest my first reaction was that it wasn't a penalty - but that was from the elevated position of the camera - rather than at pitch-level where it is twice as hard to make the same call.
what pisses me off is that they consider this decision to be title decider. as if remaining 37 games and Spurs game bar that moment didn't matter at all
They're just feeling sorry for themselves, they'd love to be in this position.
Yes he did. He won the ball for his team. It went to Corluka after he touched it. Yes he took Carrick out but the force wasn't over the top, it was simply his momentum after winning the ball.
Not going to argue about this anymore because the only explanation you still think it's a penalty after seeing the replays is blind bias.
I can see why Webb gave it, as he doesn't have these benefits, but after seeing the replays it's clear as day he won the ball.
EDIT: Just noticed that now even Webb has said it shouldn't have been a pen, add to that Fergie (yes FERGIE!) said we were lucky to get it as well.
It's funny because I missed the game at the weekend due to being away with the missus. I was getting regular updates by telphone from my ten year old boy, who, bless him, can't give you the accuracy that you would expect from an adult when describing the play. Anyway, from what I had heard from the media and read in the papers I figured we must have been absolutely awful in the first half and barely got anywhere near their box, and that Spurs had had a bunch of chances and were well worth a two goal lead. Then in the second half, up until the penalty, we had stepped it up but were not making clear cut chances and Spurs were defending superbly. Well last night I got the chance to watch the entire game. Sure, Spurs had a few breaks in the first half but the vast majority of the play was in their half. Spurs scored with their second and third shots. After the second goal United were camped around the Spurs box for the rest of the half. In the second half, more of the same, Spurs occasionally getting forward and United pressing. All this stuff about the penalty being the key is a load of bollocks. Seriously watching that it was only a matter of time before United broke through.
Indeed. We were all over them after their 2nd goal and absolutely hammered them from the whistle at the start of the 2nd half. A goal was definitely coming, hell Tevez should have delivered it just a few minutes before then pen when he went clean through.
That's very shite.
You know what poggy i like you but why do this to yourself??
Clear non pen. If it gets given at the other end the sky falls in.
You actually think I started this thread because I thought Webb had made the correct decision?
Did you even read the post you quoted?
Providing ratings against a side like Spurs is beneath me!You haven't done the ratings yet you retard
I dont even know what point you are making then.... i really hope its not the it was only one goal and doesn't really mean spurs can say it was that important....
Does it really? He says that, having viewed multiple replays, he realised he had made a mistake. But, from his angle, it was impossible to see the touch and change of direction of the ball from Gomes, so from what he saw he should've given a penalty whereas the replays may show otherwise.
We often forget that the ref only gets one chance at full speed while 76.000 people are screaming at him to do either this or that. feck's sake, I've been reffing tournaments with 10 year old's and found myself influenced by their fecking parents.
Maybe I should have dumbed it down a bit, with you in mind?
The clue is in all the quotes in my original post and in this sentence:
Shock horror the focus on a key point in the game....I repeat i dont understand the point you are trying to make...... no need for the insults poggy, the sun is out and we are well placed.
FFS Gus, his point is easily grasped.
Pray tell.....
Jesus Gus, even I know that, and I've only just looked at this argument!
Gus gets a pretty rough time in these parts.
I thought it was a pen.
How many times do you see a freekick given when an outfield player gets the ball but cleans out other player while doing it?
As far as I saw it, Carrick got a touch to take it left (none of this bollocks about he'd lost control or taken it to wide) Gomes got a touch but wiped him out in doing so. Howard Webb has taken the decision to say it wasn't a pen just because that the simplest way for him to get out of the firing line. I've lost respect for him because I think he made the correct call.
Gotta say how much I've loved listening to the scousers moaning & whingeing on the phone-ins. Talk about desperation! After the semi-final every other call was from a Liverpool fan slagging Fergie for disrespecting the competition. Same with that horrible little bastard Alan Greene on 606 after the Spurs game. It's worrying just how much Liverpool bias has crept into Sky Sports and Setanta coverage. It was like a funeral wake in the studio after they drew 4-4 with the Arse. fecking loved it!!
How many times do you see a freekick given when an outfield player gets the ball but cleans out other player while doing it?
As far as I saw it, Carrick got a touch to take it left (none of this bollocks about he'd lost control or taken it to wide) Gomes got a touch but wiped him out in doing so. Howard Webb has taken the decision to say it wasn't a pen just because that the simplest way for him to get out of the firing line. I've lost respect for him because I think he made the correct call.
Gotta say how much I've loved listening to the scousers moaning & whingeing on the phone-ins. Talk about desperation! After the semi-final every other call was from a Liverpool fan slagging Fergie for disrespecting the competition. Same with that horrible little bastard Alan Greene on 606 after the Spurs game. It's worrying just how much Liverpool bias has crept into Sky Sports and Setanta coverage. It was like a funeral wake in the studio after they drew 4-4 with the Arse. fecking loved it!!
The only people who crubled under pressure were the Spurs players.
Amazed how this keeps escaping people with all the furore over the penalty.
Aye he does. Of course, if he wasn't such a persistently objectionable cnut he might get treated a bit better.
Gus gets a pretty rough time in these parts.
He moseys into town a couple of days late and starts shooting in the saloon, folks kin get a lil ornery.
Gus gets a pretty rough time in these parts.