Honestly, I'm totally relaxed. He won't let his contract run out so we'll get enough next season. Think we're in a better position to walk away from the deal than you're.
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Throw in Pulisic and you got a deal. Or you can have all 3 and promise to sell [Irrelevant point] to China with a "no English Club" sell on clause.
Except he's made it clear he wants to take the next step, your coach and sporting director have said so. He also has 1yr left on his contract next summer which means he can sign a pre-contract agreement with any club he wants in January and leave for free if Liverkusen maintain their €100m demand. Unless you're banking your hopes on him extending his contract but that'll be unwise for someone looking to leave and uncertainties in teams finances because of covid. Chelsea now are Leverkusen’s best chance at getting anything substantial for him. Bayern will under no circumstances spend upwards of €50m on a player with 1yr on his contract when they could sign him for free in 6months, and that was before covid. Real have their own baggages to sort (Bale, Modric, James, spending 100m on Hazard, still looking at Mbappe, Bernabeau to pay for etc) They will not pay €100m for Havertz anywhere in the near future. United can't get Sancho over the line without blowing their transfer budget.
Also Havertz is a very good player but he is not in a position of need. We've not labelled him as some sort of saviour to propell us to a decade of dominance ala Sancho. We can create space for him in our attack and if we hadn't already bought two top class attacker in Werner and Ziyech I'd probably be worried, but he is clearly not our topmost priority.
Honestly this "he can sign a pre contract in 6 months" is such a stupid argument.It's not an extra six months the player has to wait for a move, it's a whole season. People act like these players are desperate to leave right now, but come next year, after already being forced to stay a whole year longer than they intended, they are supposedly completely indifferent or even eager to prolong their stay by yet another year, because their suitor doesn't feel like they are worth paying full price.
You said the most important part in the very beginning. The player wants to leave. He already flirted with leaving last season, he wants to do it now and if it doesn't happen, he sure as hell wants an exit next season. The only reason why players in their last year of contract are cheaper is because the option is on the table that he could leave for free a year later. But for that the buying club had to convince Havertz to stay for an additional season at Leverkusen - that would mean he leaves four years (!) after his initial plan. Good luck on that one. He'll leave next season if a offers the money we demand. And next season, there'll be more clubs in for him.
Thing is, no top club wants to miss out on a talent like Havertz. If next season 6-7 clubs are interested again, they need to play fair and all agree to not start a bidding war. I highly doubt that'll be the case. Same goes for Sancho by the way. Have the feeling United should just have paid the price because next season it'll not be so easy to sign him with Madrid, Liverpool and the likes entering the discussion.
Chelsea's moment is now. You're in the unique position that your bank account is full while everyone else struggles due to your transfer ban. You convinced the player who initially preferred Madrid over you. It's now or never.
Exactly my thoughts.
Now who's making stupid arguments? Its not like there are no case studies in your bundesliga about this. Didn't Lewandowski do exactly this? How about Goretzka? Probably others I'm forgetting. Sane would have waited to sign a pre-contract and left for free to Bayern if City had refused their lowball offer (€40m is a joke fee for a player of Sane’s quality). This was after City rejecting £60m for him last summer before he got injured.
Players with 1yr left on their contracts who want to leave would have no problem with being forced to stay and signing a pre- contract in 6 months time (January). Its the wisest thing to do in such a situation. Don't come on here pretending its some mythical event.
Those players didn't want to leave three years prior to that. Havertz wanted to leave in 2019 aged 20, in your scenario he'd leave in 2022 aged 23. Same goes for Sancho. You really think he'd do that if the option to move 2021 was on the table? He's so eager to leave that he was convinced to go to Chelsea although his first option was Madrid. It'll be the same next year. Good luck with convincing him to wait until he's three years older than his career plan intended.
Well like I said, Havertz is not the be all and end all for us like United fans have built up Sancho to be. We've already signed Werner and Ziyech, Havertz would be a pretty gloss but gloss anyways. If we had €100m to spend on another attacker I'd rather Sancho and I'm sure our club hierarchy and management will share in similar sentiments and same will go for 99% of top clubs who can afford either now or next season. You're hedging your bets on a bidding war next season, fair enough but I think you'll be in for shock how much you'd actually get for him compared to now.
Chelsea are in no hurry whatsoever and don't confuse twitter muppets for Chelsea’s ‘desperation’. After Werner and Ziyech, not a single Chelsea fan would blink twice if we walked from €100m Havertz to get a GK and Defender.
That part pretty much sums it up for me. If we pass on him now, there's a good chance we pass on him forever.
I think the hold up is the structure of the deal rather than the transfer fee itself. I think Chelsea are quite happy to pay the £75-80m which is more or less in line with Leverkusen's asking price, but a payment structure of £50-60m up front and the rest in instalments would suit Chelsea better than paying 90-95% plus up front. That's what Romano keeps hinting at anyway.
What is your opinion on the chances he stays/he is going to Chelsea condsidering that it stretches out now and that Völler surely has a look on the fact that Sancho is staying another year at Dortmund? And if you guess he will leave this window, who is/are the successor(s) or how Bosz will deal with it positionaly and tacticly?
I do hear what you're saying about other needs being more pressing than landing Havertz, but ..
I would blink ten times if we walked away now mate
Havertz is easily the most talented of the bunch. I'm a huge fan of your transfer activities this window, Werner and Ziyech are exceptional players but IMHO Havertz is a different league and pretty much everyone in Germany will confirm you that. Especially as a club in a rebuilding phase that's not named Madrid or Real the opportunity to sign such a player is very rare. Look how much you profited from Hazard's signing. You don't want to miss out on that in your situation, even though you have more urgent areas to fix. The way Pulisic developed obviously takes a little pressure from you but having two players with such potential in your team could really, really elevate you.
Personally, I hope a solution is found. If he doesn't move this season, I fear that he could go to Bayern and I really, really don't want to see him in their shirt. Especially if they win the CL their likelihood of signing him could become better than I'd want it to be.
I don't think it'll make too much of a difference tactically. Paulinho is unfortunately out long term with an ACL. Otherwise he would've been a perfect successor position-wise. But even in recent games, Bosz played Havertz up front since we have so many midfielders available (Aranguiz, Demirbay, Palacios, Paulinho, Amiri, Wirtz, ...) but lack goal threat. I believe we'll focus more on signing a player that is a reliable goal scorer and trust the players who are already here to take over Havertz' responsibilities in the midfield. After all, Havertz' goal record covered that our offensive players were pretty bad in front of goal. I don't trust Volland to shoulder that singlehandedly.
I do hear what you're saying about other needs being more pressing than landing Havertz, but ..
I would blink ten times if we walked away now mate
You misunderstand me mate. The Leverkusen fan seems to think we are so desperate for Havertz that we have no choice but to pay their €100m asking price and they will not budge on that fee. I disagree and think we'll walk if that's the case and I wouldn't mind at all if that same amount lands us a GK and defender. I've originally said an €80m total fee will be fair for Havertz.To bbe honest, after Werner and Ziyech I'm not to keen on big money attacking talent again, at least not this summer.
I don't think your desperate but this is an opportunity you won't want to miss out on. Not the situation to be nitpicky.
To bbe honest, after Werner and Ziyech I'm not to keen on big money attacking talent again, at least not this summer.
What do those case studies tell you? Two years before the end of his contract ran out Lewandowski didn't push for a move, infact he said "what would I do at Bayern, I'm playing for the champions", according to Schalke Goretzka went into his contract's last season negotiating for an extension with them and Bayern hijacked the deal along the way. We don't know what would have happened had Bayern asked Sane to wait another year and having to play one more year for Guardiola on petrol wages surely isn't comparable to spending two more years at Leverkusen on the contract of an up and coming youngster. Whether or not €40m is terrible price in this climate, considering Sane spent the last 12 months nursing his ACL injury is also debatable.
In any case all three of those players were the Bayern special, where they leverage the fact that a player really wants to play in Germany and no one else can match the wages and ambition they are offering. Does either Chelsea or Bayern hold such a special place in Havertz' plans? I doubt it.
If i am a player I definitely will run down my contract and pocket the transfer fee in terms of signing fee and big wages myself. Of course you need to take the risk in case you get injured. In my memory Mathieu Flamini was very good at this. He moved from Marseille to Arsenal for free in 2004, then free transfer to Milan in 2008, again free transfer back to Arsenal in 2012, and then free transfer to Crystal Palace and Getafe in 2016 and 2018. No club has ever receive a dime from his transfer. A genius.
Sounds nicer than it actually is, I imagine. Havertz will probably earn twice of what he earns for us at Chelsea/another top club. That's a whole year salary he'd flush down the toilette if he waits two seasons. Plus it'll take him longer to negotiate the next contracts etc. The earlier you establish yourself at a top club, the more you earn.
Another example is Willian free transfer to Arsenal. He got a 3 year contract in Arsenal at the age of 32 for potentially £220k/week (includes all bonus, it is rumored his base salary is the same as Chelsea). It is good for him to get his last big fat contract at this age.
I am not saying Kai Havertz will do the same thing, but this is the trend for players now. Ozil, Ramsey, Aubameyang, Hazard, Rabiot, Lewandowski all run down their contracts to get a big fat contract either from their own club, or else where. I am more familiar with Arsenal so I mostly use Arsenal players as example.
I am not saying Kai Havertz will do the same thing, but this is the trend for players now. Ozil, Ramsey, Aubameyang, Hazard, Rabiot, Lewandowski all run down their contracts to get a big fat contract either from their own club, or else where. I am more familiar with Arsenal so I mostly use Arsenal players as example.
Great signing for Chelsea, cracking player
At that price - next summer - there will be a loooooong queue from many clubs for him.
I don't buy this for a second. Our club simply don't pay wages that extreme. Or at least never have before. Destroying our wage structure for a 21 year old kid doesn't sound like something our board would do. It would piss off everyone else.
David Ornstein or one of the reliable guys said a couple weeks back that he'd be making "only" €9m per year, not €20m.
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You mean he's currently got 2 years left on his contract?
Come on, Chelsea are not paying Havertz 385k a week.
So this is why Havertz so desperately wants to make the "next step" right now
Even Hazard never made it past 300k p/w. Our highest earner is Kante on 290k and Pulisic is 4th on the list with 145k. I mean you've got to be an absolute moron to believe Chelsea will pay a 21yr old Havertz 380k p/w
Sport bild are shit source isn't it, remember reading it on reddit.
I fancy him but not for that moneySeems CFC are in a similar situation with Havertz as we are with Sancho
So Bild is the reputable one, but the SportsBild is the one with the poor reputation? I always get muddled up betwene them. Maybe I should just remember SBlild = Shit Bild.
Hazard had to carry the team on his back for half a decade before he even sniffed a contract like that. Havertz is a wonderful talent but that definitely sounds like a made up figure.Even Hazard never made it past 300k p/w. Our highest earner is Kante on 290k and Pulisic is 4th on the list with 145k. I mean you've got to be an absolute moron to believe Chelsea will pay a 21yr old Havertz 380k p/w
Yeah I think so and I have no idea btw.
Why are Chelsea not investing in their defence?
Have to assume we'll be doing so after this deal is sewn up. Much like you guys and Sancho this deal probably determines what else we can do in the window money wise.
We're certainly linked with loads of defenders. Need a new keeper as well.
Who says they're not? We've been linked with loads.
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