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Srinagar: At least 21 young men and boys were brought in to Srinagar’s main hospital for treatment for pellet injuries in the first three days after the Modi government announced the scrapping of special constitutional provisions for Jammu and Kashmir, and the end of its status as a state, The Wire can confirm.

Although hospital administrators ducked a formal request for information, doctors and nurses at the SMHS hospital said on Thursday that 13 victims were brought in on August 6 and another eight on August 7 with pellet injuries to their eyes and other parts of their bodies. Several of them have lost their sight in one eye; in a few cases, there is danger of both eyes suffering irreversible damage.

Although there have been reports of one young protester succumbing to his injuries, no one in the hospital was in a position to confirm this.

The Wire met with some of the victims and their families in Ward No. 8 of the sprawling hospital. Some said they were shot during protests in the city’s downtown area while others say they were targeted by the security forces even though there was no stone pelting going on at the time.

Apart from belying claims in a section of the media that the situation in the Valley is “calm”, the accounts of those injured by pellet guns paint an unflattering picture of the uncertainty which has gripped people’s lives since the Modi government announced on August 5 that it was doing away with Article 370.

On some main arteries, particularly in the vicinity of major hospitals, traffic is permitted – albeit with baffling detours around barricades of concertina wire. Also, getting into and out of particular neighbourhoods can be challenging, especially for those who don’t have their own means of transport. Within their neighbourhoods, people do venture out and about, and in the evening the odd kirana or fruit vendor or baker may open for business briefly. But the lack of certainty about what is allowed and what is not means mundane activities can sometimes bring sharp and painful costs.

Nadeem, a 15-year-old boy from Natipora in Srinagar ventured out for tuition with another boy when he was hit by pellets on August 7. He is being treated, but says he can see nothing from his right eye.

Another young man undergoing treatment for injuries to his eyes. “I can’t speak to you, I’m sorry, my head is bursting”, he said. Photo: Siddharth Varadarajan

Two young men from Ganderbal are also being treated for injuries to their eyes. One of the men, a worker in a bakery, was seething with anger and refused initially to speak to this reporter. “I don’t want to talk to anyone from Delhi, what is the point? Do any of you even want to hear what we have to say?”, he said, with dark glasses covering both his injured eyes.

However, his friend, who was also injured though not as seriously, described what happed. “We were making rotis in our shop when the security forces said, ‘Are you going to feed Kashmiris bread? You should feed them poison.’ Then they shot into our shop and left us,” he claimed.

It is impossible to verify or confirm their account of the incident. But the injuries they had were real, of that there was no doubt. Nor was there any doubt about their anger.

While one of the victims said the only option now was for more and more people to take to arms, the father of one of the young men said the government should realise that injuring people with pellet guns in this way was no way to convince them about the correctness of government policy.

https://thewire.in/rights/pellet-bl...-the-ground-kashmirs-special-status-continues

But its Pakistan who is spreading hate in the valley.
 

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@MJJ I'd suggest posting somewhere else. Unfortunately, nobody here cares. Right wing nationalism is on the rise everywhere in the world, and that means governments don't care about thousands of lives.
 

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@MJJ I'd suggest posting somewhere else. Unfortunately, nobody here cares. Right wing nationalism is on the rise everywhere in the world, and that means governments don't care about thousands of lives.
I Idk it's interesting to see the perspective off the other side and how people can be so blinded by nationalism. Specially the people who think everything is a Pakistan conspiracy or do whataboutisms.
 

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The only solution is everyone to accept the Line of Control and stop agitating the issue. Pakistan to give up their claim on Jammu and Kashmir and India to give up their claim of Azad Jammu and Kashmir. This is now the reality on the ground. Yes there are lots of issues of the Indian paramilitary in Jammu and Kashmir and the same with Pakistani agents agitating in the same area. If other countries who have fought brutal wars can become good peaceful partners why cannot India and Pakistan do so? Both countries will progress a lot more in every sense.
Politicians will have to deliver economic growth and development then instead and that is harder to achieve.
 

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MJJ and milemuncher have effectively hijacked this thread :lol:
Wish they showed same kind of concern for their country rather than spending their times on proving India as evil country. The attitude is if our country is crap we will make sure our neighbouring country is also portrayed as crap.
 

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Wish they showed same kind of concern for their country rather than spending their times on proving India as evil country. The attitude is if our country is crap we will make sure our neighbouring country is also portrayed as crap.
:lol:

Ah the same old anyone who questions, criticises and doesn’t tow a line of current government is an Anti-National and Pakistani....

Cheering every govt move blindly while ignoring wrong policies of govt is not called deshbhakti but an andhbhakti.
 
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Wish they showed same kind of concern for their country rather than spending their times on proving India as evil country. The attitude is if our country is crap we will make sure our neighbouring country is also portrayed as crap.
MJJ and milemuncher have effectively hijacked this thread :lol:
Its interesting how you guys treat human rights violations as a sporting rivalry. Nationalism mixed with lack of empathy, not a good combo.
 

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https://www.thequint.com/news/india...ests-sringar-media-normalcy-article-370-women

With means of communication such as mobile connectivity, internet and telephone lines still cut in Jammu and Kashmir, there is very little information on the situation in the erstwhile state. Most journalists based in the Valley are finding it nearly impossible to file stories.

Some even had to go to the extent of sending stories on a pen drive through people travelling from Srinagar to Delhi. The journalists reporting from the Valley are also said to be facing many restrictions in their movement.

However, stories are coming out of the Valley and there is a sharp contrast in the kind of reportage one is seeing from Indian and foreign media.

Did Indian Media Blackout A Protest?
A report by Reuters on Friday, 9 August, claimed that a massive protest took place in Soura in the northern part of Srinagar’s downtown area, in which 10,000 people took part.

The Union Ministry of Home Affairs called the report fabricated and claimed that no protest had more than 20 people.

Also Read : In Kashmir Shutdown, Families Struggle to Contact Relatives


However, BBC released a video which clearly showed a large number of protestors waving flags and chanting slogans. One part of the video also showed the protestors being fired upon by the security forces.

Several people on social media questioned the veracity of the report by claiming either that the video was an old one or that it was from Pakistan Occupied Kashmir. However, the video clearly shows a place called Ramzan Memorial, which is located in Srinagar’s Soura area. Also, people can be seen carrying banners saying ‘Abrogation of Article 370 Not Acceptable for Us’, which indicates that the protests took place after the government’s decision to scrap Jammu and Kashmir’s special status.

Al Jazeera also reported on this protest and claimed that thousands of people had hit the streets.

The exact number of people who took part in the protest, is not clear. The local administration denied the presence of over 10,000 protestors and claimed that not more than 300 people were present.

However, most Indian news channels appear to have blacked out the protest. In sharp contrast to this story are videos posted by Asian News International which shows people in Srinagar walking on the streets and queuing up outside ATMs.

Most of ANI’s videos from the Valley have been of people walking on the streets, which is being cited as a proof of “normalcy” in the Valley.

ANI posted a video of vehicular from the Dalgate area of Srinagar, which was also cited as a sign of normalcy by a few people on social media.

On Saturday, ANI also posted a video of National Security Adviser Ajit Doval “interacting with locals” in Anantnag, which the agency described as a “hotbed of terrorist activities”.

Also Read : ‘Repeat of 1984’: Sikhs Stand With Kashmir, Akal Takht Speaks Out

Pictures Tell 3 Different Stories
Like ANI’s videos, the pictures released by the agency also try to give an impression of normalcy in the Valley.

But even these pictures of ‘normalcy’ show that shops remain shut.

Most of the pictures released by Press Trust of India mostly focussed on the shutdown in Kashmir, and not on the signs of so-called ‘normalcy’. This picture for instance, showed how Lal Chowk, which many call the heart of Srinagar, was complete deserted. By shooting through the barbed wire, the picture also seems to convey a sense of siege in the Valley.


This picture of Srinagar’s Lal Chowk by PTI conveys the complete lockdown in Kashmir
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Another PTI picture showed a desolate marketplace in Srinagar with only one Kashmiri civilian and two security personnel in the frame.


Such as this market in Srinagar, much of the Kashmir Valley remains shut
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Here again, it is the foreign media which managed to capture glimpses of angry Kashmiris protesting in the Valley. For instance, Associated Press released pictures of protests that took place in downtown Srinagar on Friday.

Like the BBC video, the posters in the picture show banners saying ‘Abrogation of Article 370 Not Acceptable to Us’. The picture appears to be from the same protest, which took place in Soura.


Kashmiris protest in downtown Srinagar on Friday
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The next picture is particularly important as it shows Kashmiri women protesting against the Union government’s decision.


Kashmiri women in Srinagar protest against the Indian government’s decision to abrogate Article 370
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This is in contrast to the the claims made by the BJP and a few Indian news channels that Kashmiri women are in favour of the abrogation of Article 370 and Article 35a.

The administration has downplayed the protests and the extent of the shutdown. They say that the protests have been sporadic and the turnout low by Kashmir standards. The local administration also claims that shops in many parts of Srinagar are open and people are shopping for Eid.

Partly, the different stories being told through these pictures and videos stem from Srinagar’s complex political geography. In the past, it was quite common to see a complete shutdown in the JKLF stronghold Maisuma but a short walk from there would lead one to Polo View and Lal Chowk, which would be bustling with tourists and customers. Similarly, one would see tourists in Dalgate but there would be protests a little to the North in Srinagar’s Downtown area.

It is crucial which area a media organisation chooses to report from. Those who seek to show normalcy, are most likely to be found clicking pictures and shooting videos in Dalgate, Boulevard Road and the area near the Srinagar Airport and least likely to venture into Downtown, unless it is under the protection of security forces.
 

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The only question I have is if things are so nice and quiet then why are we still relying on a couple of videos from either side ? Why is the internet still blocked ?
 

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Kashmir is more trouble than its worth. 79 people killed in floods in Kerala and Maharashtra . But no ones covering that, instead its all Kashmir, Kashmir, Kashmir.
 

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Comparing two tragedies against each other to score points? Do you have no shame?
More attention needs to be given to the flood situation, this is actually going to affect people through no fault of theirs. Kashmir is a problem created by Pakistan, its much more easily solved now that Pakistan is a bankrupt state and now that India has shown willingness to target the terrorist training camps in the Pakistani side of the border. But climate change is something that doesn't have an easy solution, thats where the bulk of resources must go to.
 

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More attention needs to be given to the flood situation, this is actually going to affect people through no fault of theirs. Kashmir is a problem created by Pakistan, its much more easily solved now that Pakistan is a bankrupt state and now that India has shown willingness to target the terrorist training camps in the Pakistani side of the border. But climate change is something that doesn't have an easy solution, thats where the bulk of resources must go to.
:lol: yeah it is Pakistan who has imposed a curfew on kashmir and is shooting all the protesters.

That went well last time. Two trees vs one fighter jet.
 

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Modi will solve Kashmir in a couple of weeks. Climate change soon after thanks to Bear Grylls.
 

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:lol: yeah it is Pakistan who has imposed a curfew on kashmir and is shooting all the protesters.

That went well last time. Two trees vs one fighter jet.
https://www.cjr.org/special_report/shujaat-bukhari-kashmir-journalist.php

Isi and militants targeting journalists who report what ever hurts their political agenda.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/26/asia/pakistan-press-freedom-intl/index.html

Military crackdown on Their own journalists briefed by their own EX PM who then was dismissed with army and judicial merger.
 

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https://www.cjr.org/special_report/shujaat-bukhari-kashmir-journalist.php

Isi and militants targeting journalists who report what ever hurts their political agenda.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/26/asia/pakistan-press-freedom-intl/index.html

Military crackdown on Their own journalists briefed by their own EX PM who then was dismissed with army and judicial merger.
Journalists have long been caught in the conflict. They are under pressure from Indian state authorities, as well as separatist groups, to publish biased coverage serving opposing agendas. Journalists are regularly intimidated with legal action, surveillance, interrogations, physical threats, arrest, abduction, and assassination.

Locals have virtually no confidence that police will conduct a credible investigation of Bukhari’s murder. Years of human rights abuses have fueled anger and mistrust from locals at all levels of authority in the Valley. There is little faith in the judicial system. And India has a dismal record of prosecuting the murders of journalists. Out of thirty-five journalists killed in India since 1992, only two cases have resulted in conviction.

Last summer, a special investigative team, assembled by the police,quickly established a theory of Bukhari’s murder: that Lashkar-e-Taiba, a Pakistan-based militant group, was responsible. (LeT has denied involvement.) Officials released images of four suspects—all militants who had long been on their radar. Then, in November, police and the army killed one of the primary suspects, Naveed Jhat, in a shootout. In Kashmir, this was a familiar sequence of events: name a militant commander as a suspect in a case, orchestrate an encounter killing (a police killing of a suspected gangster or terrorist in supposed self-defense), and declare the case closed. Every Kashmiri I spoke with had predicted that this would be the outcome of the Bukhari investigation.

Bukhari’s case has not been closed, but nearly nine months after his killing, there have been no more updates. Police have kept his two phones in their custody without releasing findings; there has been no outline of charges, suspects, or motive. Though the police’stheory is plausible—they pointed to the use of AK-47 and INSAS rifles as indicative of militant involvement—there are a number of questions about the investigation that remain unanswered: How did three militants armed with assault rifles, one well-known to authorities, manage to go undetected in the middle of the heavily populated and surveilled downtown? Where is the bike? Where did they spend the night? Also, an apparent failure of security in the press enclave that evening meant that the police car normally posted at the entrance was missing, police security cameras and CCTVs had either been moved or were not functional, and police did not arrive at the scene for more than twenty minutes. When militants are accused, the judicial process receives less scrutiny. Journalists wonder if the police are holding up an official narrative of the crime that serves the interests of the Indian state.

Jammu and Kashmir and Indian state authorities have taken advantage of journalists’ fear. Since Bukhari’s death, police have questioned at least six reporters. Some were called in on the pretext of questioning in Bukhari’s case, but instead were asked about their reporting, their headlines, recent travel to Pakistan, and their choice to cover stories of conflict over economic development in the region. It’s unsubtle pressure on journalists to portray a more positive image of Kashmir.

He was told that his posts contained strong undercurrents of sedition, and he was asked to reveal the terrorist organization he worked for. His electronic devices were searched and he was detained—without having been charged—for five days.

Another journalist, Aasif Sultan, has been detained since August on charges of “harboring terrorists” and having “incriminating material” on his laptop. The month before, he had published a story on the death of Burhan Wani, a popular and charismatic militant. During local elections last October, CPJ documented nearly a dozen cases of police beating journalists or obstructing their movements.

Despite its vast security apparatus, India is losing its hold on Kashmir. The separatist movement, which had been largely funded by Pakistan, has, in recent years, become increasingly supported by locals. Dead militants are celebrated by the public as martyrs, drawing thousands of spectators to their funerals. The attention further fuels the cause for independence.

To combat this, India is attempting to control the narrative of conflict in Kashmir more strictly than ever, continuing to claim that the region is an integral part of the country. (The state media of Pakistan makes the same claim.)

Journalists who raised questions were quickly accused of being “anti-nationals.” Lost in this jingoist narrative is reporting and storytelling from Kashmir itself. After the Pulwama attack, basic details were confused, such as how much explosive material was used, and little space was given to questioning why the attack happened.

Parvez, the activist, who also participated in Track II, tells me that India treats Kashmir as its “laboratory of violence”—a place to test out strategies of press oppression without repercussions, before exporting them to the rest of the country. Several journalists have pointed out that the intimidation tactics against the media being seen in Delhi now, such as legal cases, imprisonment, and political pressure, have been present for years in Kashmir. (An official in the Home Ministry declined to comment on press freedom in Kashmir and India.)

Under Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s leadership, the climate for journalists throughout the country is worsening. During his first term, he did not hold a single press conference, and he has not tolerated criticism of himself or BJP, the ruling party. The press is operating in an environment where the methods of intimidation, control, and censorship are subtle and effective.

In a column called “Blood Soaked June,” published two weeks before his murder, Bukhari wrote about new tensions in the Valley, and called once more for a political resolution to conflict. “Local support to militancy has increased. Unless a political approach is adopted by the government, violence will continue to make headlines. And with provocations from the government in Delhi which are further supplemented by TV channels, there is hardly any chance and hope to see a change.”
 

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Thanks for sharing the article @Patrick08, I am glad you have decided to ignore your bakhtness and started highlighting india's human rights violations in Kashmir.

Although I do admit its a bit brave of you to be posting articles critcising Modi. Also, I see that @Edgar Allan Pillow is just copying the government patented "economic development" lines.
 

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That doesn’t seem like a very helpful statement. If he’s trying to rally the world behind the Pakistani position here (already a tough task), there’s probably no better way to provoke a collective yawn at Kashmir than by banging on about Hitler and the Nazis.
 

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That doesn’t seem like a very helpful statement. If he’s trying to rally the world behind the Pakistani position here (already a tough task), there’s probably no better way to provoke a collective yawn at Kashmir than by banging on about Hitler and the Nazis.

Follow up tweet. He is comparing the idealogy.
 

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That doesn’t seem like a very helpful statement. If he’s trying to rally the world behind the Pakistani position here (already a tough task), there’s probably no better way to provoke a collective yawn at Kashmir than by banging on about Hitler and the Nazis.
Because nobody except Pakistani's give weight to that ridiculous Ott comparison.
 

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Follow up tweet. He is comparing the idealogy.
Yeah but nobody outside Pakistan and maybe some other concerned Muslims believe Modi = Hitler, nobody that matters anyway. So this will just get a roll-eyes response from most of the world. Best to just stick with the facts as they’re playing out, there’s surely enough there to work with and a case to be made to the world concerning Kashmir that everyone can relate to without dragging up this stuff.
 

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Because nobody except Pakistani's give weight to that ridiculous Ott comparison.
You still haven’t answered how Article 370 was responsible for all the violence.

Yeah but nobody outside Pakistan and maybe some other concerned Muslims believe Modi = Hitler, nobody that matters anyway. So this will just get a roll-eyes response from most of the world. Best to just stick with the facts as they’re playing out, there’s surely enough there to work with and a case to be made to the world concerning Kashmir that everyone can relate to without dragging up this stuff.
I think he might be making the comparison as a way to summarise the situation but yeah, better ways of getting hte point across.

Also, tbf the world had plenty of opportunity to do something about this, yemen, syria crisis if people actually cared.
 

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So the BBC, Reuters, NYT, WaPo etc all post articles/supporting videos depicting large scale protests in Soura while Indian authorities claim sporadic protests of 20 people or fewer. Sorry Indian authorities but I know how to count.

It's evident from the videos that the protests shown started at the Jenab Saeb Mosque in Soura. The numbers present in these protests are clearly visible to anyone with eyes. Also visible are the signs held at this protest - the content of which prove that at least these portions of the videos are recent.

Obviously the scenes depicting gunfire and teargas are less easy to pinpoint in time though they do seem to depict scenes from Dr Ali Jan Road (also in Soura). Given the Indian government is clearly lying with regards to the existence and scale of the protests what reason is there to believe them with regards to their use of weaponry?
 

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Genocide is a loaded word to throw around like that. Nazi Germany, the Balkan war, Rwanda and the present day Rohingya are examples of genocide. The word loses its importance when used for political reasons.

Its even harder to take at face value when the follow up tweet is from the leader of a constitutionally muslim country lamenting about minority rights in a constitutionally secular country.
 

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Genocide is a loaded word to throw around like that. Nazi Germany, the Balkan war, Rwanda and the present day Rohingya are examples of genocide. The word loses its importance when used for political reasons.

Its even harder to take at face value when the follow up tweet is from the leader of a constitutionally muslim country lamenting about minority rights in a constitutionally secular country.
And yet the leader of the "constitutionally secular countary" was banned from entering US due to crimes committed on religious grounds.
 

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The Indian subreddit is hilarious

A kashmiri lost his vision during protesting and was hurt very badly and some of the comments said:

- Why are they protesting?
- We are to blame but so is Islam's fascination with violence and jihad
- They deserve it for throwing rocks
- The whole area is so volatile


Are common Indians genuinely not aware that they're seen as intruders and unwanted by the kashmiri population?