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I thought Corbyn has been kicked out of the Labour Party? How long has Starmer been the leader?
Why is Corbyn still being blamed?
Why is Corbyn still being blamed?
You can't really do that given the difference in areas. Our council tax is quite high but its spent really well, which seems to be the case in a lot of the south compared to when I've lived in the north.Yes but look what happens with the poll tax when you try and make it a flat tax
I think longer term just put a few percent on income tax and ring fence it for local services but can't see any government wanting to raise income tax for that
Problem with any major tax change is that those who loose out get really angry (eg poll tax riots) and those that win keep quiet about it and think how they will use the extra cash... basically it will almost always be unpopular and governemnts therefore just leave it as it is
Angela Rayner is my MP, and I think she is very good. I also think she'll be destroyed by the media for sounding a bit dopey because of her accent, just like Corbyn was for having a scruffy coat.Not Angela Rayner?
I think she is the difference that Labour needs right now.
I've not agreed with much you've said on here today, but I doubt you'll find many who disagree with that. It's a ridiculous way of doing things.did you ever think its a ludicrous idea that the notional value of a house you rent/own should have relevance to the cost of services in your area?
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Angela Rayner's personal 'back story' is a fantastic one, she overcame many problems.Angela Rayner is my MP, and I think she is very good. I also think she'll be destroyed by the media for sounding a bit dopey because of her accent, just like Corbyn was for having a scruffy coat.
Yeah, ironically, she has had the "pulling herself up by the bootstraps" life that is the dream of your average Tory voter.Angela Rayner's personal 'back story' is a fantastic one, she overcame many problems.
I have heard Angela talk many times about her personal story, about her personal aspiration (something Labour lacks, sometimes doesn't even acknowledge in working class people) but she nearly always puts her success down to her politics, when in truth it was down to her personal strength and determination.
I agree she would need a style guru to help, but its her personal 'back story' that is the winner and Labour should study this woman in detail.
and mine.....when I'm p****d!!Yeah, ironically, she has had the "pulling herself up by the bootstraps" life that is the dream of your average Tory voter.
And I'm not mocking her for her dopey accent, as it's the same as my dopey accent!
Which part of Brizzle are you in, if you don’t mind saying?Council Tax is for many people the biggest monthly cost at well over £200.
Excellent Idea, from someone who has many excellent ideas.Or just get rid of council tax and make people pay for the services they actually use... even open up those services to his mates erm I mean free market competition... he could probably pull that off and earn enough backhanders erm donations to buy some extra wallpaper as well
Maybe so. But she is not afraid to say what she believes in and can normally stand her ground.Angela Rayner is my MP, and I think she is very good. I also think she'll be destroyed by the media for sounding a bit dopey because of her accent, just like Corbyn was for having a scruffy coat.
Sent you a PM. Cheers.Which part of Brizzle are you in, if you don’t mind saying?
I know this only too well. I was born in Jacksdale and grew up in Ripley, both in the East Midlands, both former mining towns in the Amber Valley constituency. Grandad was a miner and I remember a cousin going off to University in London, daring to suggest he might vote Conservative and getting a strongly-worded phonecall from my Nan telling him he could stay down there if he thought that way!If you look at most of the small towns they are places where the least effects of immigration happens and the cities are where most effects of immigration take place. Yet the small towns are the most fervent prejudice against immigrants takes place and where the political issue of immigration takes paramount rather than material issues that would help them. That's precisely what I mean whereby they are willing to vote against something that maintains their status than for something that could help them get better but lifts other marginal groups up with them.
That is a very good assessment.In focusing on the lacklustre Starmer (or the divisive Corbyn), we perhaps underestimate just how good Johnson is at winning campaigns. Twice London mayor, 2016 referendum and the 2019 general election. His appeal is lost on me but he clearly connects with a large number of people in a way we have not seen since Blair. Even without all the deep-rooted structural issues stacked against Labour (loss of mass unionisation, the post-Brexit culture wars and the home ownership v renter split), the party needs to be bolder with policy and possibly leadership. Forensic questioning doesn’t land many punches on the greased piglet.
Demagogues are in. Johnson, Bolsonaro, Trump. The Americans were smart enough to oust theirs. We seem hell-bent on keeping ours.In focusing on the lacklustre Starmer (or the divisive Corbyn), we perhaps underestimate just how good Johnson is at winning campaigns. Twice London mayor, 2016 referendum and the 2019 general election. His appeal is lost on me but he clearly connects with a large number of people in a way we have not seen since Blair. Even without all the deep-rooted structural issues stacked against Labour (loss of mass unionisation, the post-Brexit culture wars and the home ownership v renter split), the party needs to be bolder with policy and possibly leadership. Forensic questioning doesn’t land many punches on the greased piglet.
There was no stance labour could have taken which would have won the election, their entire voter base was split down the middle.Ok. I take the point about the large party membership.
But, I have to disagree again. This time around the strong policy direction.
Toward the end of the campaign, it became evident that policy was being made on the hoof and in reaction to the Tory campaign.
It may have started off reasonably clear. But very quickly, it got completely out of control and ended up like a spending pissing competition.
But it was the policy, or lack of it on Brexit which was anything but clear or strong.
It was a disaster and the result was the outcome of an unelectable leader and a shambles of a campaign.
Sorry, but that was the reality.
The problem with Labour is that they did not nail their colours to the mast over brexit, because they were so nervous about getting it wrong. It made them look very weak and far too indecisive to govern. This failure has absolutely crippled them. They just can't recover.In focusing on the lacklustre Starmer (or the divisive Corbyn), we perhaps underestimate just how good Johnson is at winning campaigns. Twice London mayor, 2016 referendum and the 2019 general election. His appeal is lost on me but he clearly connects with a large number of people in a way we have not seen since Blair. Even without all the deep-rooted structural issues stacked against Labour (loss of mass unionisation, the post-Brexit culture wars and the home ownership v renter split), the party needs to be bolder with policy and possibly leadership. Forensic questioning doesn’t land many punches on the greased piglet.
Jesus...To be honest its a lot of small stuff that adds up. Not being taken for granted is one thing. As i said, its dawned on people in places like Hartelpool that there have been plenty of labour governments that never did anything for them.
It was kind of belittling essentially to be branded a thick racist for voting brexit. That brexit positivity in working class areas was a fallout from years of soft immigration. I cant believe they refused to back it when they could clearly see that it was most popular in most of their constituencies.
they need to come back centre, the socialists and wokes are loud but few. If you tax the behinds off businesses it affects jobs.
local level as i say, roads needed surfacing for years, bin collections cut, crime is up, they barely even come and trim the verges anymore. Scrapped the local kids extra curricular sports and music stuff. You can blame central government but ultimately we all pay our council tax bills and the breakdown shows over 80% going on welfare spending.
Starmer needs to go. A knighted ex oxford lawyer, he cant be a man of the working class. No charisma, his paint colour would be brilliant beige. He provides No opposition, bad policies or mimicks of tory policies which the tories will do better. He comes on the news and says what he would have done two weeks ago as if he is a genius and hindsight doesnt exist.
he wasted the whole of pms questions on some pathetic smear attempt prattling on about where £58’000 of private money came from the other day. This allowed boris to reveal that labour spent £500’000 of taxpayer money on the same flat. That matters more to me, to be frank. He lost a pound and found a penny there. Must have been a useless lawyer.
Completely agree. We saw this with the attempted ‘crowd pleasing’ policies of the last manifesto.Until the Labour party stops trying to please everybody, and starts being clear where they stand on divisive issues, their decline will continue.
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To be fair to him, he gave up his rented property when he bought a house last year, so he’s solved the housing crisis.Jesus...
To be fair to him, he gave up his rented property when he bought a house last year, so he’s solved the housing crisis.
420’000 people used that scheme. But by all means if you cant knock the policy just try and make a joke. Been really succeeding in winning votes of lateTo be fair to him, he gave up his rented property when he bought a house last year, so he’s solved the housing crisis.
Which scheme are you specifically talking about here? Help to buy, or stamp duty?420’000 people used that scheme. But by all means if you cant knock the policy just try and make a joke. Been really succeeding in winning votes of late
People loving getting hand outs from the state. Bunch of free loaders so of course it's going to be a popular policy.420’000 people used that scheme. But by all means if you cant knock the policy just try and make a joke. Been really succeeding in winning votes of late
its an equity loan with interest but carry onTbh people loving getting hand outs from the state. Bunch of free loaders so no wonder it's a popular policy.
help to buyits an equity loan with interest but carry on
you pay back more than you borrow. Its no more a handout than a mortage but hey hohelp to buy
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then why did you choose it over a regular mortgageyou pay back more than you borrow. Its no more a handout than a mortage but hey ho
greens are benefiting from the Lib Dem’s who were always the option when you couldn’t or wouldn’t want to vote for the two main parties.Greens benefiting from the vaccine bounce
the point of help to buy is to reduce the amount of deposit people need to save for.then why did you choose it over a regular mortgage
Brexit was a horrible dilemma for Labour as the country was evenly split on a population basis but overall pro-Brexit on a constituency basis (the measure which counts in winning elections). If they had come out as pro-Brexit, they would have haemorrhaged votes in cities to the Lib Dems even while retaining more of the votes in the Northern small towns.The problem with Labour is that they did not nail their colours to the mast over brexit, because they were so nervous about getting it wrong. It made them look very weak and far too indecisive to govern. This failure has absolutely crippled them. They just can't recover.
Whether you like Boris or not, in the run up to the election the conservatives never wavered in their policy on brexit, which is the single most critical issue the country has faced in our lifetime.
Brexit could have been a disaster, but Borris and co made it very clear where they stood, and if brexit was a disaster, the buck would stop with them. Labour didn't want to upset the many Labour voters who wanted brexit, and also wanted to hoover up a lot of remain voters by offering them some hope that brexit could be stopped with a second referendum. Trying to please everyone totally backfired. They were perceived as being too indecisive, and afraid to upset anyone.
16 months on from the election defeat, they still won't explain their position on brexit, because they want to try and somehow win back the trust of those disgruntled traditional Labour heartland voters.
Until the Labour party stops trying to please everybody, and starts being clear where they stand on divisive issues, their decline will continue. If they still believe that brexit was the wrong decision, and I think most of them do, then they should get fully behind that stance with an understanding that they will lose many of their voters, but will gain new ones. If things start going pear shaped as a result of brexit, Labour would have gained a lot of credibility by being apposed to it from the very beginning.
Right now they're perceived as being too nervous about making a stand, with the risk of being wrong and becoming unpopular. A government like this would be a disaster. Starmer and co have to have the balls to draw up policies that they believe in, and then stake the reputation of Labour on those policies. So what if it fails? Better to shoot for the moon and miss, than to shoot at nothing and hit it every time.