Fluctuation0161
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Inspiring.
This.He knows that he secured the anti-Tory vote long ago, now he’s doing everything he can to win back red wall/Brexit voters.
What else can you do at this point? A vote for anyone other than the biggest non-Tory party in your constituency is a vote for the Torys.
Agree with the logic, but it’s painfully obvious that when he does come to power he’ll then follow through on his Tory lite policies because of the same “we won these people, we can’t lose them again” logic.He knows that he secured the anti-Tory vote long ago, now he’s doing everything he can to win back red wall/Brexit voters.
What else can you do at this point? A vote for anyone other than the biggest non-Tory party in your constituency is a vote for the Torys.
But this gives Sunak or whoever the hell is in charge when it comes time the easiest line of attack ever. “If you lie to your own membership *points to countless cases* then how can the public trust you?” and there’s legitimately no comeback for him.He knows that he secured the anti-Tory vote long ago, now he’s doing everything he can to win back red wall/Brexit voters.
What else can you do at this point? A vote for anyone other than the biggest non-Tory party in your constituency is a vote for the Torys.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m completely with you. I’m assuming it has to be better than another Tory PM, but he’s nowhere near left enough for me.Agree with the logic, but it’s painfully obvious that when he does come to power he’ll then follow through on his Tory lite policies because of the same “we won these people, we can’t lose them again” logic.
Honestly think if Labour were to grow a pair and have actual significant policies or at the least back the strikers to side with working people beyond just saying “working people” ad nauseam then they’d realise that they’d still command a lead.
After all we were told for ages that Corbyn was the issue and that his policies were backed by the majority. With Kier pumping the polls there is room to gamble with actually progressive policies.
Basically Starmer = Southgate.
Such an easy line to rebuff though after all the Tory lies. Take your pick on the best angle of attack, probably the lies over party gate while the rest of the country was in lock down.But this gives Sunak or whoever the hell is in charge when it comes time the easiest line of attack ever. “If you lie to your own membership *points to countless cases* then how can the public trust you?” and there’s legitimately no comeback for him.
He’s totally clueless and it’ll probably cost the entire country. Again.
Nailed it.Basically Starmer = Southgate.
It’s also very easy to see what the rebuttal will be, “that wasn’t me, what am I supposed to do about it, I resigned over it!” So again, how can Starmer respond to that? Plus there’s the whole curry nonsense with Starmer if he decides to go heavy on the party.Such an easy line to rebuff though after all the Tory lies. Take your pick on the best angle of attack, probably the lies over party gate while the rest of the country was in lock down.
I think that's a trickier call than is being made out. A lot of the country don't support strikes, eg train drivers get £60k for nothing, teachers get months of holidays, fire brigade work part-time, doctors/barristers earn loads, gold-plated pensions etc...Maybe nurses, perhaps.Agree with the logic, but it’s painfully obvious that when he does come to power he’ll then follow through on his Tory lite policies because of the same “we won these people, we can’t lose them again” logic.
Honestly think if Labour were to grow a pair and have actual significant policies or at the least back the strikers to side with working people beyond just saying “working people” ad nauseam then they’d realise that they’d still command a lead.
After all we were told for ages that Corbyn was the issue and that his policies were backed by the majority. With Kier pumping the polls there is room to gamble with actually progressive policies.
Basically Starmer = Southgate.
Polling shows that it’s pretty close with against and support for strikes(The nurses strike is currently more popular than RMT plans for a winter strike).I think that's a trickier call than is being made out. A lot of the country don't support strikes, eg train drivers get £60k for nothing, teachers get months of holidays, fire brigade work part-time, doctors/barristers earn loads, gold-plated pensions etc...Maybe nurses, perhaps.
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I can't do it.Feeling increasingly dirty at the prospect of having to vote for this lot.
Tosh. It's like someone regurgitated Daily Mail truthless bile into the thread.The hard left will never forgive him if he got the Tories out. As the prospect gets more likely the attacks become more venomous
They've only ever been comfortable with a reassuring reality of a leader that they know isn't going to win. Foot and Corbyn. Every other Labour leader, especially the ones that won, are the devil encarnate
The hard left for wanting people to be paid a wage they can live on. What a time to be alive.The hard left will never forgive him if he got the Tories out. As the prospect gets more likely the attacks become more venomous
They've only ever been comfortable with a reassuring reality of a leader that they know isn't going to win. Foot and Corbyn. Every other Labour leader, especially the ones that won, are the devil encarnate
Don't blame you. Had a few friends say the same and the "anything to get these criminals out' line is becoming an increasingly hard sell.I can't do it.
... history shows that nothing pushes the actual and potential Labour voting masses over to the right more than an out and out left wing cadre leadership that handed to the Tories a massive majority at the previous GE.The hard left will never forgive him if he got the Tories out. As the prospect gets more likely the attacks become more venomous
They've only ever been comfortable with a reassuring reality of a leader that they know isn't going to win. Foot and Corbyn. Every other Labour leader, especially the ones that won, are the devil encarnate
Oh wow, I had no idea that David Cameron's greatest achievement was spelling "Keir" with an "ie". Truly a ground-breaking accomplishment that will go down in history. I'm sure the people of England will be forever grateful to Cameron for this brilliant feat of spelling prowess.Kier Starmer is David Cameron’s greatest achievement.
I before E, except after C.Oh wow, I had no idea that David Cameron's greatest achievement was spelling "Keir" with an "ie". Truly a ground-breaking accomplishment that will go down in history. I'm sure the people of England will be forever grateful to Cameron for this brilliant feat of spelling prowess.
Oh wow, I had no idea that David Cameron's greatest achievement was spelling "Keir" with an "ie". Truly a ground-breaking accomplishment that will go down in history. I'm sure the people of England will be forever grateful to Cameron for this brilliant feat of spelling prowess.
Well done on totally ignoring the impact of a Brexit General Election.... history shows that nothing pushes the actual and potential Labour voting masses over to the right more than an out and out left wing cadre leadership that handed to the Tories a massive majority at the previous GE.
Kier Starmer is David Cameron’s greatest achievement.
Starmer and Reeves were speaking to an audience of business leaders at Canary Wharf as part of the party’s “prawn cocktail offensive 2.0”, which is seeking to repeat Tony Blair’s success in persuading business leaders to back Labour.
The event on Thursday included speeches by Amanda Blanc, the chief executive of Aviva, and Ian Stuart, the chief executive of HSBC UK. Jim O’Neill, the former Goldman Sachs banker and Treasury minister under David Cameron, also spoke, having helped formulate the party’s policies towards startups.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ng-to-promise-repeal-of-tory-anti-strike-laws
The shadow home secretary said she wanted to resurrect a system Labour operated while in government, in which the Home Office prioritised claims from certain countries and processed them within days.
That scheme was abandoned however after judges ruled it was “structurally unfair”, with about 99% of claims being refused almost immediately.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...um-cases-from-safe-countries-to-clear-backlog
Funny I always assumed you thought Brexit was as far right as you could get?Well done on totally ignoring the impact of a Brexit General Election.
Unless I’ve missed it, Cooper hasn’t highlighted the faults of the last system. So I’m doubtful it will be any different.Perhaps Labour hope to get it right next time?
Or.... just perhaps another example of our politicians 'learning nothing from history'?Unless I’ve missed it, Cooper hasn’t highlighted the faults of the last system. So I’m doubtful it will be any different.
Imo it’s another move to the right regardless of the actual outcomes.
Yeah fair. The current Labour Party is a New Labour tribute act while ignoring all the negatives things that happened during 97 to 2010.Or.... just perhaps another example of our politicians 'learning nothing from history'?
Yes, back to what I was saying earlier... maybe Labour are hoping to get it right this time!Yeah fair. The current Labour Party is a New Labour tribute act while ignoring all the negatives things that happened during 97 to 2010.
Keir Starmer is David Cameron.Kier Starmer is David Cameron’s greatest achievement.
It largely depends on your constituency, in some Labour may not have a hope in hell of winning so you can hedge your bets on another party which could lower the tories total number of seats in Parliament or vote Labour and just be a statistic.He knows that he secured the anti-Tory vote long ago, now he’s doing everything he can to win back red wall/Brexit voters.
What else can you do at this point? A vote for anyone other than the biggest non-Tory party in your constituency is a vote for the Torys.
Every constituency I’ve lived in has been Lib Dem or Tory, so I’ve never voted Labour (in generals). I voted green in whatever the general was after the Lib Dem/Tory coalition and after that I decided I’d have to vote tactically against the Torys from then onwards.It largely depends on your constituency, in some Labour may not have a hope in hell of winning so you can hedge your bets on another party which could lower the tories total number of seats in Parliament or vote Labour and just be a statistic.
I don't begrudge people who don't vote in areas where a particular party always wins by a landslide.
Why would you assume I thought that?Funny I always assumed you thought Brexit was as far right as you could get?
Is that not just a supply/demand issue? Price has gone up as there's raw material shortages linked to lockdowns in the Far East.Both parties softening up the public for further privatization of the NHS.
A taste of what's to come.
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