It's very true. The EPL might be full of quality players and money, but it's largely outside money - rich families buying their playthings. Celebrating and judging clubs based on how much money someone gave them is clearly mad - a "rich people are better" attitude, which is strange coming from the working class football background.
Kieran Tierney
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Tierney has played in CL. Scottish league has produced top players also, current most expensive defender in the world. A league doesn't have to be elite to produce good players, that's my point, yet some here automatically knock back Tierney simply because where he has played.
Belgian league is 9th, yet in group stages of this seasons cl Celtic beat Anderlecht 3 nil away from home. They did lose the home leg 1 nil, but those rankings are tough on teams where you only have 1 team in it.
Not to mention Celtic's best players who've gone down south in recent years have been consistently decent - Wanyama, VVD, Forster etc. Whether Tierney's cut out for the very top level remains to be seen but he's already accomplished at a young age and is clearly good enough for this level.
True, was just pointing out why people are more willing to accept people from the Ukrainian/Portuguese leagues. I probably should have put in that post that I'd be happy with this guy as well, but I don't think it's wrong to question the strength of the Scottish league. As you say though, his performances for Celtic in the CL should calm that issue.
Eh? Celtic and Rangers lack exposure and money the clubs in England have yet are known over the world, Celtic are really well supported for a team in a so called pub league.
It is from my experience just an arrogance thing when it comes to English fans, I've come across it loads in real life and online.
Nah, I'm Norwegian and share the sentiment. Celtic are well-known all over the world, but only because of the stupid catholic vs. protestant-nonsense in the past, which has got nothing to do with football. Furthermore, people in Glasgow are naturally just as interested in football as their close relatives in England, hence they go to the stadium and have a look at their local clubs. Scottish football is dreadful.
Why bash other leagues though? Who cares what is shit and what isn't shit, most teams have to work with what they have got. For what we have here in a nation of 5 million people we do alright. Definitely punching below our weight on the international stage and I'd say if Hibs, Aberdeen and co could get a better infrastructure at their clubs they could be making Europa League group stages.
I mean, if it's people starting a thread just to say "The scottish league is shite" then I agree but if it's just people trying to evaluate a signing then I'd say the strength or weakness is a logical discussion point. Seen plenty of people talking about it with other leagues in this subforum.
Well yes, but you can still judge the player on question on their merits. Obviously they may have it a bit easier but a player who's, say, got a lot of pace, is still going to have a lot of pace down south. Similarly someone who's a good dribbler is probably going to still be a good dribbler at a higher level, even if they're not quite getting as much space on the ball.
Plenty of Celtic's best players have come to the PL and done just fine. Plus Tierney's played in Europe and for Scotland regularly and hasn't looked out of place. And he's also still very young, and has demonstrated he's a fairly mature footballer who's focused on continuing to improve his game.
Sorry I misinterpreted what you were saying, but on your point I'd say a quality player can be found anywhere. I wouldn't turn my nose up to a player based on their league standing, some players have massive potential and can in the right circumstances grow into exceptional talents. I'm not daft, I know players aren't going to become world beaters in the SPL but to say there isn't players here who could make that step up given the right club and the right group of players round about them is just silly and reeks of arrogance.
Not saying you were being arrogant by the way, I just get kind of fed up reading about how the Scottish league is this and that. So what, we don't have the riches of the EPL, should the teams up here just call it a day then, because some guy that supports a Wigan Athletic for example says his Nan could win this league.
Scottish football is actually pretty fun, the circus that follows it up here in the media can be just as interesting. It's is going to be a good laugh this year with Gerrard thinking he can come up and win the league cause he is Stevie Me.
Not because of the fact that they've won the European Cup and have regularly pulled off massive victories in the CL against big teams? Obviously the religious shite mars OF games to a certain extent but their renown worldwide (both Celtic and Rangers) transcends those troubles.
Well said both. I argued both of these points earlier in the thread, and would be very excited if we signed Tierney to see what he could do.
Close this thread until next summer. He's not moving.
With pace, yeah that will translate for certain. But I'm not so sure about dribbling, remembering Memphis and how great a dribbler he looked whenever we played a weaker side in the Europa League and how terrible he looked in the PL. I agree that no matter the league you can judge a player but I think that when it comes to judging whether you want a player to be signed, the teams he's played against can and should be taken into account. Crucially though, everything you've put in the second paragraph absolutely should be taken into evaluation as well, why I'm in favour of signing him.
Think that's something everyone on here can agree with
cheers for that Brendan... lol
What are you smoking?
Update:
Celtic board have made their number known, they will accept any bid of that amount and leave it up to Kieran what to do.
HIGH chance he leaves, given he had been told before to his face that no bid would be accepted.
Celtic board have made their number known, they will accept any bid of that amount and leave it up to Kieran what to do.
HIGH chance he leaves, given he had been told before to his face that no bid would be accepted.
If true, buy him ffs
Everton are being heavily linked with him now. Telegraph reporting it among others.
Would rather have him than no LB signing.
,I hope united go in for this lad. Young can't be the left back next season. Huge potential and the right attitude this fella has.
Remember this.
I just got sent a Snapchat, can someone please remind me to share what it was at the end of the transfer window
Why can’t you share it now?I just got sent a Snapchat, can someone please remind me to share what it was at the end of the transfer window
Where do you think tierney will end up at the end of the window..I just got sent a Snapchat, can someone please remind me to share what it was at the end of the transfer window
Do you want to try flip-flopping a bit more?
Mate I’m telling you what I get told in real time.
I just can’t but it’s hilarious
I hope he stays put
Excuse my skepticism but how do you go from posting things like this to providing an 'update' of him being highly likely to leave once news of an Everton bid breaks in the press?
You even posted this last month:
If he's as loyal as you claim he is, why would he allow himself to get forced out of the club? Or more pertinently, why would the club force him out if he's as good as you claim he is?Apparently representatives from Everton were in touch recently and told to feck off
Maybe none of that's happening? A club accepting a bid isn't forcing a player out, it's just them coming to the realisation, that the money put on the table is an acceptable amount, every player has a price afterall. If the player wishes to move then it's all done amicably, no hard feelings, the player accepts he could further himself more at said club and Celtic gain an amount to steady the ship for the next few seasons.
@CM10 i don’t ask for updates every day, when I hear something I ask one of the most reliable sources you can imagine and then let you know the score.
Literally let everyone know of evertons interest over a month ago and now you’re sceptical because I’m giving more news about the same link?
I imagine what’s happened here is Everton basically haven’t taken no for an answer and neither they should, it’s an amazing signing for them.
Literally let everyone know of evertons interest over a month ago and now you’re sceptical because I’m giving more news about the same link?
I imagine what’s happened here is Everton basically haven’t taken no for an answer and neither they should, it’s an amazing signing for them.
So you are saying that he is most likely going to sign for Everton?@CM10 i don’t ask for updates every day, when I hear something I ask one of the most reliable sources you can imagine and then let you know the score.
Literally let everyone know of evertons interest over a month ago and now you’re sceptical because I’m giving more news about the same link?
I imagine what’s happened here is Everton basically haven’t taken no for an answer and neither they should, it’s an amazing signing for them.
No I don’t think so. I think it’s most likely that he stays put.
Backtrack..
Get him for £25m and do a Dalot on him. Save us 20 million once Everton sign him and he has a good season or two.
Apparently representatives from Everton were in touch recently and told to feck off
Did they say ‘feck off’ before or after accepting the bid?
Everton > Real Madrid.
To be fair, a lot of things change in the transfer market. If Celtic has indicated that he can leave then not sure how can he stay?
Him or Sandro, don't care which. Teirney would probably be the better investment.
Also way cheaper and easier to get. Celtic take the money quicker than Juve
Sign him.