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For England Mainoo Rice and Bellingham would be insane.

At United we just need to go all out and get a partner who compliments his skill set.
Bellingham is as far forward as Bruno for Madrid so it might be a bit iffy with Rice and Mainoo on their own.

But England have loads of developing young midfielders who can help Rice and Mainoo with actual midfield work - Wharton at Palace is a DM, Elliot (despite his mistake at the end of the fa cup tie), Angel Gomes, Garner, Alex Scott, Rico Lewis, Archie Gray, Lewis Miley and Hinshelwood are all 23 and younger having strong seasons. We'll be hoping that Dan Gore can emulate Mainoo in the future as well in coming seasons

Phillips and Henderson should be nowhere near the squad with Ward-Prowse in the squad and on the bench for when we want to emphasize set pieces as you cant have a better player than him for those.
 

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Special talent. Some of his dribbling yesterdays was Iniesta-esque. Cant wait to see him alongside two quality midfielders.
 

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When you see Ian Wright asking why he's not being picked for the seniors, you realise how special this kid is, that even fans of other clubs recognise what we see.
 
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He has one of the rarest profiles in the world today. Midfielder who can play as a 6 and an 8, smooth tempo passer, highly technical, strong on the ball and phenomenal in tight spaces. From his academy days I remember he could lace it too. Oh and that tough as nails mentality. Humble. Hard working.

£100m value minimum. We must build our future around him. Him in Midfield and Hojlund up top.
 

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He is better in the final third than behind. He is our Bruno replacement.
 

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Yesterday I saw what i thought i noticed in his earlier games -

He can play as the single CDM & doesn't need Casemiro.

He is solid enough defensively whilst also being press resistant and able to play as the interlinking passer all at once. Not trying to hype him up but he seems like he has a bit of busquets, a bit of xavi and a bit of iniesta all in one.

This is what made our game in the first half very quick & 'transitional' because the ball went directly from the backline to Mainoo as our deepest midfielder who then either decided to break the press through his dribbling or make the pass instead. At the same time he also provided defensive solidity whenever we lost the ball.

This made our game very hard to read because instead of the ball coming to Casemiro and him stalling & thinking about his next move - all our passes went directly to Mainoo who does all these things much more free flowingly.

I do wonder if Ten Hag saw this & still decides if we really need that 'CDM ball winner' next to Mainoo - because whilst its no doubt useful, it will slow down our game as a 'transitional side' as the ball will take longer time to reach Mainoo by reaching someone like Casemiro instead.

I do wonder if Branthwaite is good as his stats presume & is regarded as a must buy by Ineos to rotate with Martinez - then using Martinez (who is also a very quick passer) as our CDM cover for Mainoo would still add an element of quick transition in our play whenever Mainoo needs a break.

Using Mainoo as our primary & only CDM will also give space for Mount in the first team who is ultimately the 'jack of all trades' player that will make our transition even more quick because he will literally be everywhere wherever the space opens up to recieve the ball, pass, move and recieve it again as the ball moves transitionally forward.
 

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Absolutely delighted with him versus Liverpool, he's maturing really quickly and looks like he's going to be better than Rice in pretty short order and hasn't cost a penny.

Hope he's nowhere near the Euros over the summer, want him sitting at home and getting ready for next year.
 

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I hope he doesn’t get picked for the Euros and just uses the summer to work on his physiciality, everything else is already incredible.
 

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He's solid gold this kid, and a diamond too, and a pearl and a fckin peach. He's a golden peach with a diamond stone and a pearl finish

Its essential we find the right midfield partner for him, he's got the potential to run this team for a decade this lad.

Carried away - don't care
 

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Special talent. Some of his dribbling yesterdays was Iniesta-esque. Cant wait to see him alongside two quality midfielders.
This was the comparison that came to mind for me too. Just absolutely glided past players and you're left wondering how he did it.
 

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Yesterday I saw what i thought i noticed in his earlier games -

He can play as the single CDM & doesn't need Casemiro.

He is solid enough defensively whilst also being press resistant and able to play as the interlinking passer all at once. Not trying to hype him up but he seems like he has a bit of busquets, a bit of xavi and a bit of iniesta all in one.

This is what made our game in the first half very quick & 'transitional' because the ball went directly from the backline to Mainoo as our deepest midfielder who then either decided to break the press through his dribbling or make the pass instead. At the same time he also provided defensive solidity whenever we lost the ball.

This made our game very hard to read because instead of the ball coming to Casemiro and him stalling & thinking about his next move - all our passes went directly to Mainoo who does all these things much more free flowingly.

I do wonder if Ten Hag saw this & still decides if we really need that 'CDM ball winner' next to Mainoo - because whilst its no doubt useful, it will slow down our game as a 'transitional side' as the ball will take longer time to reach Mainoo by reaching someone like Casemiro instead.

I do wonder if Branthwaite is good as his stats presume & is regarded as a must buy by Ineos to rotate with Martinez - then using Martinez (who is also a very quick passer) as our CDM cover for Mainoo would still add an element of quick transition in our play whenever Mainoo needs a break.

Using Mainoo as our primary & only CDM will also give space for Mount in the first team who is ultimately the 'jack of all trades' player that will make our transition even more quick because he will literally be everywhere wherever the space opens up to recieve the ball, pass, move and recieve it again as the ball moves transitionally forward.
He lacks the physicality at the moment (not just in build but stamina) to play as the sole CDM and actually it likely takes away from his game too as he is a good creative player

Someone like Rice would be the perfect midfield partner with another ball carrying creator too
 

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He lacks the physicality at the moment (not just in build but stamina) to play as the sole CDM and actually it likely takes away from his game too as he is a good creative player

Someone like Rice would be the perfect midfield partner with another ball carrying creator too
Doesn’t seem to lack stamina. At least not for his age (you’d expect his engine to improve with age and games under his belt). He scored a 90+ winner not so long ago. Not every player needs to have a Roy Keane / Kante esque unreal engine.

I simply don’t think he’s a CDM so I don’t think him being absolutely perfect in tracking runners and shielding the back line is a reasonable expectation. He’s clearly a playmaking CM somewhat (as they’re all different as is he) Scholes, Xavi or Modric (closest one) mould. That’s how if develop him at least, and more than defensive actions I’d like to him improve most on getting on the ball more. All the great number 8s were like ball magnets and had a knack of getting on it constantly.
 

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Can’t get over how good this guy is. At 18YO he bossed the midfield against one of the best teams in Europe. Top class talent. How he isn’t in the England squad is a joke. Needs to replace the likes of Henderson
 

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Not sure how people come to this conclusion when the kids best moments are in the final third.

I said it before and il say it again, We have an Iniesta type of player and we are trying to play him as a DM.
You mean most wow moments or eye catching for being fancy when you say best here, because the benefit of him deep is him getting more touches, dictating the game and ensuring a more solid and constructive build-up and build out to positions further up the pitch.

'Best' obviously becomes subjective and down to what each individual values in midfield on a given day. The kid can play #6, #8 and evidently has the skills to be some kind of fixture even beyond that and into a hybrid #8/#10 given the composure and quality of his offensive forays, but in terms of value to this current team, it's prudent to look at what we're good/bad at and what he's currently excelling in as opposed to what he is currently not great at.

We're bad at initial collection off the CB's and turning out to face the play, avoid the press and succinctly progress the ball through lines... unless Mainoo plays there; his weakest attribute by far is his stamina, so, having him sit and not have to expend his tank with constant, high pressure sprints is probably optimal right now, until he gets that adult engine.

Playing him farther forward means others are in charge of progressing the ball to him... only Eriksen can do that with any authority, but with that comes his physical liabilities, so it's not feasible, especially next to Mainoo - that's a pairing that can't do more than 45min together if Mainoo is involved in high volume sprinting, so what are we left with in terms of options to get the ball to Mainoo in an effective, constant manner? There in lies a major issue until it's addressed: whichever way we look at it, he needs players with a high degree of competency in order for he himself to be optimised and able to play that rapid combination football that makes the ball - not legs - do all the heavy lifting and enables the collective to conserve energy and reduce sprinting to the minimal levels that ensure the whole unit looks fit and bright for an entire game rather than a fraction of it. When/if we get that, Mainoo can be slotted into the position that gives him all the freedoms to express himself to the fullest without potentially compromising the unit

For us, in regard to Mainoo, summer can't come soon enough, and you'd expect a massive recruitment drive to get players in to complement him and have us contesting outright as one of the best midfields in the league alongside City, Arsenal and Liverpool. Mainoo should force these aspirations along as a point of order.
 

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Overrated. Too small and weak to play in midfield in an important tournament.

Are you listening Gareth Southgate. Leave him alone this summer.
 

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people disagreeing over whether hes better in final third or further back is telling - its because he can do it all. Complete all round footballer going by early signs and get a specialist dm next to him and an attacker like bruno in front and he'll control everything.
 

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Overrated. Too small and weak to play in midfield in an important tournament.

Are you listening Gareth Southgate. Leave him alone this summer.
Just on this note, it's crazy how he's only 18 but his first touch yesterday was to hold off 2 players physically and just shrug them both off. The strength and balance he has while moving with the ball is not something you see often at all.
 

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Not sure how people come to this conclusion when the kids best moments are in the final third.

I said it before and il say it again, We have an Iniesta type of player and we are trying to play him as a DM.
He's a Xavi type. Capable of it on occasion but the way he moves is a natural in those deep areas, while supporting the attacking areas. He knows where to move and how to receive the ball to control games, and is the type of player who can grow to completely dominate games of football. He has plenty of those moments in the middle third of the pitch and they are huge to get us going. Having that type of player in midfield is vital, it's much easier to find a quality attacking midfielder than the perfect deep playmaker/controlling midfielder like him.
 

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Nah, one of the few times Southgate’s reasoning made sense. Happy he’ll be getting a rest.
Totally. His time will come soon, for now, glad he is getting a breather.
Except he's not getting a rest. He's been picked for the u21s and as such is going to fecking Azerbaijan for a game. He'd have been better off being selected for the senior squad.
 

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He is the most composed player I have seen at United in a long time, the way he can beat 2/3 players pressing him is a joy to watch.

Would anyone be opposed to see say Joao Neves alongside him? Or do we need a Proper ball winning CM?
 

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What amazes me most about him is his incredible control in close quarters, under heavy pressure.
He is generally our best midfielder with his passing when pressed. On top of that he had two gigantic dribbles vs Pool, where he weaved past 3 defenders (not for the first time this season).
 

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Except he's not getting a rest. He's been picked for the u21s and as such is going to fecking Azerbaijan for a game. He'd have been better off being selected for the senior squad.
Ah...

Well that's not ideal :lol:
 

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He is the most composed player I have seen at United in a long time, the way he can beat 2/3 players pressing him is a joy to watch.

Would anyone be opposed to see say Joao Neves alongside him? Or do we need a Proper ball winning CM?
@Rozay would love to see Neves next to him (I'm skeptical on if they're the perfect blend for each other but haven't seen him as much), for me they seem very similar but if Neves can develop into an Iniesta superb creative type then it'd be fine. You definitely need a DM behind them though, a ball winner who is going to get around the pitch. Mainoo does very good work defensively but you need someone more aggressive and athletic to partner him for sure, and Neves does a fair bit too but again, just as a complimentary piece. Concern would be is it a creative enough midfield with Neves and Mainoo behind the front 3... But it's probably a non starter anyway given what he'll cost and what we can spend
 

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There was an actual real life grass eating goat loose on the roads outside the town I’m from over the weekend. My mother said to me yesterday, “be careful when you’re driving watch out for the goat that is on the roads” I replied with “what the hell is Kobbie Mainoo doing on the roads over here”

She didn’t get what I meant.
 

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For England Mainoo Rice and Bellingham would be insane.

At United we just need to go all out and get a partner who compliments his skill set.
I suspect Mainoo may not go to the Euros and if he does he'll be there for the experience rather than the expectation that he starts. I full expect it to be England's first choice midfield by the next World Cup though.
Bellingham is as far forward as Bruno for Madrid so it might be a bit iffy with Rice and Mainoo on their own.
I think Bellingham will play deeper for England, though he'll remain as the most advanced midfield player. With England, I think there's less of a need for him to play as high up the pitch as we have Kane there.
 

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@Rozay would love to see Neves next to him (I'm skeptical on if they're the perfect blend for each other but haven't seen him as much), for me they seem very similar but if Neves can develop into an Iniesta superb creative type then it'd be fine. You definitely need a DM behind them though, a ball winner who is going to get around the pitch. Mainoo does very good work defensively but you need someone more aggressive and athletic to partner him for sure, and Neves does a fair bit too but again, just as a complimentary piece. Concern would be is it a creative enough midfield with Neves and Mainoo behind the front 3... But it's probably a non starter anyway given what he'll cost and what we can spend
Yep, that is the concern that we need a ball winning CM who also knows how to place himself defensively.. almost like a Rice type CM.

However; I do think if we want to see us dominate games, it can work at home, have Mainoo, Neves and a Mount? in other games we can rotate them and have a ball winning DM too.

Lets see what the board decide this summer.
 

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Just on this note, it's crazy how he's only 18 but his first touch yesterday was to hold off 2 players physically and just shrug them both off. The strength and balance he has while moving with the ball is not something you see often at all.
Like Garnacho his most impressive trait is his mentality. Both of them have the confidence to keeping playing their own game regardless of whatever else is happening on the pitch. You can't teach that.
 

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Unpopular opinion: Southgate is right not to pick him for England.
Prodigy though he is, he's only played 1/3 of a senior football season, after missing the first 1/3 with a bad injury in preseason.
Give him time grow and develop. He's got time on his side.
I'm English and I don't want him in the squad, he needs to be managed carefully and given time to continue developing physically. I don't want him to be run into the ground playing for club and country and end up broken in his mid-20s.
 

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Like Garnacho his most impressive trait is his mentality. Both of them have the confidence to keeping playing their own game regardless of whatever else is happening on the pitch. You can't teach that.
He's got a lot of impressive traits, but his cool demeanour seems to let him play more confidently, intelligently and with consistency.