Kobbie Mainoo (out)

I see the body language experts are back. Great. I’ve missed them. Just waiting for the mind readers and prophets to re-enter the fray to tell us what he’s thinking and exactly how good he’ll become, and then this should be easy. I’ll save some time and predict that “He’s not really into it and doesn’t buy into Amorim’s system”, while “He’ll never be good enough to be part of any top team and we should cash in now”.

Back on planet earth, where I’ll do the rarest of rare activities amongst a large section of the internet fanbase and engage my brain and use some real world context and common sense; I’ll say that Mainoo is a very valuable player for us who should be carefully developed.

He’s just 20 years old. His breakout season was unbelievable. He was probably our best player last season and forced his way into an England team that made the Euros final, being a revelation along the way. Like many players who had no summer off or notable preseason, he struggled for fitness and form this season. He also found himself with a new role, in a new system, under a new manager, in a historically terrible team. At just 19 (when that started). He never hit the standards of the season before, yet still managed some good performances and highlight reel moments. Unfortunately the expectations from the season before were sky high, so when he didn’t play like prime Modric, people became ready to discard him.

Utter madness. He’s got an extraordinary level of maturity and football intelligence for his age, and technically he’s superb. He brings many, many of the qualities we lack in midfield, but he’s still a kid. He’s not the messiah. Mainoo is one of the best talents to come through our academy for a very long time, he’s a very complete player in theory - something he has shown already but needs to readjust again to the new system - and we should be prioritising his development. Selling him for anything less than a gargantuan fee, would be criminal. And I would argue that unless there is a problem with a player - mentality or behavioural wise - then for a club like United (which is literally built on its youth development) to sell its best young academy talents, is really the beginning of the end.

I believe that Mainoo, partnered with a complimentary CM partner, can be at the heart of our midfield for a decade. He’s probably a little low on confidence - I imagine they all are - and he has areas of his game he needs to improve and develop, such as his physicality in certain moments and his progressive passing bravery, but if you can’t make it work with a player like him, then you may as well give up on the notion of developing young talent out of the academy, and just buy players in exclusively.

With a proper pre-season, his natural physical development continuing, and more confidence from playing with better players in a more competitive team, Mainoo would be one of my first choices on the team sheet. I believe we need to manage his expectations and responsibility, through management of his minutes and having real competition for places in midfield; but if you brought in someone like Baleba to play alongside him, that’s a combo I’d bet my house on. Especially over the medium to long term. Mainoo is a proper central midfielder, and I’d have him at the heart of my team all day long; but I’d do so knowing that there were still some rough edges (he’s just turned 20!!!!!!), and areas to develop.

The way some of the fans have turned on him and how ready they are to write him off would actually make me sick, if I didn’t console myself with how mind numbingly stupid that opinion is, and consequently how I can’t take anyone seriously who takes that position.
 
I think I’m done with the club after 50 years of support tbh if we sell such a young player like Mainoo.
How long will the manager be at United?
Systems change and he’s young enough to adapt.
I wouldn't go that far myself, but I have the same feeling. It's a signal the the club just wouldn't represent the same values anymore.

No matter how shit we threaten to be, at least we have this exciting set of youngsters coming through to look forward to, in the traditions of our other great sides of the past. If we sell of the first to come through, it just sends the wrong signals to me.
 
Ideally he wouldn't be one i'd be flogging this summer but if the manager see's him as surplus then it's best for him too. 80m+ buys us a starting midfielder Rashford, Antony, Sancho leaving to should give us the funds for a no9 too.
 
You know if he goes elsewhere and plays as an 8 he's going to be a top player.
 
Chelsea's midfield depth seems pretty good, does he even get in their 1st team? Seems like a hell of a lot of money to be using on a potential squad player.
 
I see the body language experts are back. Great. I’ve missed them. Just waiting for the mind readers and prophets to re-enter the fray to tell us what he’s thinking and exactly how good he’ll become, and then this should be easy. I’ll save some time and predict that “He’s not really into it and doesn’t buy into Amorim’s system”, while “He’ll never be good enough to be part of any top team and we should cash in now”.

Back on planet earth, where I’ll do the rarest of rare activities amongst a large section of the internet fanbase and engage my brain and use some real world context and common sense; I’ll say that Mainoo is a very valuable player for us who should be carefully developed.

He’s just 20 years old. His breakout season was unbelievable. He was probably our best player last season and forced his way into an England team that made the Euros final, being a revelation along the way. Like many players who had no summer off or notable preseason, he struggled for fitness and form this season. He also found himself with a new role, in a new system, under a new manager, in a historically terrible team. At just 19 (when that started). He never hit the standards of the season before, yet still managed some good performances and highlight reel moments. Unfortunately the expectations from the season before were sky high, so when he didn’t play like prime Modric, people became ready to discard him.

Utter madness. He’s got an extraordinary level of maturity and football intelligence for his age, and technically he’s superb. He brings many, many of the qualities we lack in midfield, but he’s still a kid. He’s not the messiah. Mainoo is one of the best talents to come through our academy for a very long time, he’s a very complete player in theory - something he has shown already but needs to readjust again to the new system - and we should be prioritising his development. Selling him for anything less than a gargantuan fee, would be criminal. And I would argue that unless there is a problem with a player - mentality or behavioural wise - then for a club like United (which is literally built on its youth development) to sell its best young academy talents, is really the beginning of the end.

I believe that Mainoo, partnered with a complimentary CM partner, can be at the heart of our midfield for a decade. He’s probably a little low on confidence - I imagine they all are - and he has areas of his game he needs to improve and develop, such as his physicality in certain moments and his progressive passing bravery, but if you can’t make it work with a player like him, then you may as well give up on the notion of developing young talent out of the academy, and just buy players in exclusively.

With a proper pre-season, his natural physical development continuing, and more confidence from playing with better players in a more competitive team, Mainoo would be one of my first choices on the team sheet. I believe we need to manage his expectations and responsibility, through management of his minutes and having real competition for places in midfield; but if you brought in someone like Baleba to play alongside him, that’s a combo I’d bet my house on. Especially over the medium to long term. Mainoo is a proper central midfielder, and I’d have him at the heart of my team all day long; but I’d do so knowing that there were still some rough edges (he’s just turned 20!!!!!!), and areas to develop.

The way some of the fans have turned on him and how ready they are to write him off would actually make me sick, if I didn’t console myself with how mind numbingly stupid that opinion is, and consequently how I can’t take anyone seriously who takes that position.
Agree with every word of that.
 
Since Amorim is staying.. and I expect him to do much better next season.

Mainoo doesn't fit his system, he only wants to renew his contract on absurd terms (200k per week), lacks stamina and athleticism to play in a 2 man midfield, has some wonderful attributes but really lacks in his long and creative passing.. I wouldnt be too against selling him for a huge fee.

If it was another manager I'd love a 433 with Bruno, Mainoo and a 6, with Rashford/Garnacho, Striker, Amad up front. But it's not going to happen unfortunately.
 
Torn.

Can't tell if he'll be the next United legend or a Mason Mount style liability with the brain, and backing, of Rashford.
 
I think this is all ineos PR to lessen the backlash from selling him. Has been planned along with Garnacho from day one. As if he’s asking for £200k
 
it seems like some just skirt around the big issue here, even after writing a thousand words post.

It depends on how our contract negotiation with Mainoo. If he refuse to sign a new contract with modest wage, we should listen to offers. We can't let him run down his contract to the last year, next summer.
 
I see the body language experts are back. Great. I’ve missed them. Just waiting for the mind readers and prophets to re-enter the fray to tell us what he’s thinking and exactly how good he’ll become, and then this should be easy. I’ll save some time and predict that “He’s not really into it and doesn’t buy into Amorim’s system”, while “He’ll never be good enough to be part of any top team and we should cash in now”.

Back on planet earth, where I’ll do the rarest of rare activities amongst a large section of the internet fanbase and engage my brain and use some real world context and common sense; I’ll say that Mainoo is a very valuable player for us who should be carefully developed.

He’s just 20 years old. His breakout season was unbelievable. He was probably our best player last season and forced his way into an England team that made the Euros final, being a revelation along the way. Like many players who had no summer off or notable preseason, he struggled for fitness and form this season. He also found himself with a new role, in a new system, under a new manager, in a historically terrible team. At just 19 (when that started). He never hit the standards of the season before, yet still managed some good performances and highlight reel moments. Unfortunately the expectations from the season before were sky high, so when he didn’t play like prime Modric, people became ready to discard him.

Utter madness. He’s got an extraordinary level of maturity and football intelligence for his age, and technically he’s superb. He brings many, many of the qualities we lack in midfield, but he’s still a kid. He’s not the messiah. Mainoo is one of the best talents to come through our academy for a very long time, he’s a very complete player in theory - something he has shown already but needs to readjust again to the new system - and we should be prioritising his development. Selling him for anything less than a gargantuan fee, would be criminal. And I would argue that unless there is a problem with a player - mentality or behavioural wise - then for a club like United (which is literally built on its youth development) to sell its best young academy talents, is really the beginning of the end.

I believe that Mainoo, partnered with a complimentary CM partner, can be at the heart of our midfield for a decade. He’s probably a little low on confidence - I imagine they all are - and he has areas of his game he needs to improve and develop, such as his physicality in certain moments and his progressive passing bravery, but if you can’t make it work with a player like him, then you may as well give up on the notion of developing young talent out of the academy, and just buy players in exclusively.

With a proper pre-season, his natural physical development continuing, and more confidence from playing with better players in a more competitive team, Mainoo would be one of my first choices on the team sheet. I believe we need to manage his expectations and responsibility, through management of his minutes and having real competition for places in midfield; but if you brought in someone like Baleba to play alongside him, that’s a combo I’d bet my house on. Especially over the medium to long term. Mainoo is a proper central midfielder, and I’d have him at the heart of my team all day long; but I’d do so knowing that there were still some rough edges (he’s just turned 20!!!!!!), and areas to develop.

The way some of the fans have turned on him and how ready they are to write him off would actually make me sick, if I didn’t console myself with how mind numbingly stupid that opinion is, and consequently how I can’t take anyone seriously who takes that position.
A very good post, a nice read - with a conclusion that I obviously agree with.

Mainoo next to mobile, physical and progressive(!) player will lift both his and our other CMs performances.
 
Would be massive mistake, he was phenomenal the season before last, bad injuries this year but he is going to be special imo
 
Chelsea's midfield depth seems pretty good, does he even get in their 1st team? Seems like a hell of a lot of money to be using on a potential squad player.

No he doesn’t start for them and they also aren’t going to pay him the wages that he alleged wants either.

I think he signs a new deal eventually, the club can’t be held to ransom by players and he can bounce back after a disappointing 2nd season.

We are in that awkward phase now where players/agents will reference wages of Casemiro as justification for their demands but those days are coming to an end. There is going to be a bit of a transition and players need to accept their market value rather than the huge inflation that has been handed out at Utd.
 
Can’t have it all…..stick with Amorim and his system and clearly some players do not fit, let alone be good enough.

Selling our home grown talent would be a new low but we need funds to replace most of the squad if we’re serious about a rebuild.

Mainoo as yet doesn’t fit into his system, he can’t play as one of the midfield 2, he could be one the 10s but currently he’s only good enough there as a bench option.

Do we keep him as a squad option for the next couple of years, hope he improves becomes a main stay or sell now to help the club move forward faster? Tough call but the same as with Bruno and to a lesser extent Garnacho.
 
Considering those bastards sold us injury prone, unwanted, 1 year left on contract Mason Mount for £55m, they can have Mainoo for £110m.

Sick to death of us doing every other club a favour.
We would never be able to negotiate such a fee. They'll offer £60m rising to £70m with add ons.
 
Neither is he Nwaneri, he started a Euros final ffs

Was shite and got hooked. Also jogged off the pitch like he jogs off the pitch now… Unfit.

He’s got great attributes but If your a Liverpool fan are your rating him above Harvey Elliot? And non of us on here wish we have Harvey Elliot.

Let’s just chill with this overrating of Mainoo and this is my bloody nephew.
 
When the club came out and said they were looking for pace and power what were people expecting to happen? Especially after Ruben barely featuring him in midfield.

It'll hurt but life goes on, hopefully they get top dollar. New young talents will emerge like Heaven and Kone.

I think it's a good sign, they are identifying players that aren't going to work in Amorim's system and willing to entertain offers no matter who they are.
 
He’ll be on the bench at Chelsea doesn’t make much sense. I think he stays, hes going to he in the lab this summer and I think he’ll he fine next season

If we need to sell a young player for money its Garnacho. If we need to sell a young midfield player it should be Collyer
 
What makes people think Mainoo is worth 60,70 million?

Neves was £50 million, same age and bossing a CL final.
 
I really hope the people who are dead against selling Mainoo aren't the same fans who wanted to keep Amorim, because the two positions are completely at odds.

He has no place in Amorim's system. He's not got the attributes for a 2 man midfield and he's not enough of an attacking threat to play as a 10.

The best Mainoo fans can hope for is he delivers some sub-optimal performances in midfield as a rotation option until December, Amorim gets sacked and we bring in a manager who plays a 3 man midfield.

If the club are serious about rebuilding this squad to suit Amorim long term then they should cash in.


(FYI, I'm of the opinion we should never have appointed Amorim in the first place partly due to issues like this one).
This is the key point. We need a squad turnover to back Amorim, which we haven't got the budget for. Only way to fund it is to sell our prized possessions.
That include Bruno, Garnacho and probably Mainoo.
 
This is the key point. We need a squad turnover to back Amorim, which we haven't got the budget for. Only way to fund it is to sell our prized possessions.
That include Bruno, Garnacho and probably Mainoo.
It's not just that.

Even if we had loads of money to spend with no sales, Amorim would not have a place for Mainoo or Garnacho, and they'd both likely be off at some point.
 
It's not just that.

Even if we had loads of money to spend with no sales, Amorim would not have a place for Mainoo or Garnacho, and they'd both likely be off at some point.
I'm just curious with us expecting changing formation and manager, would make Mainoo a sure starter.

Which current good teams have a CM with Mainoo's profile?
 
It's not just that.

Even if we had loads of money to spend with no sales, Amorim would not have a place for Mainoo or Garnacho, and they'd both likely be off at some point.
I think everyone is jumping the gun on Mainoo not having a place. He will improve and find his place

He has clear gaps in his game and its good a manager is challenging him to improve
 
I'm just curious with us expecting changing formation and manager, would make Mainoo a sure starter.

Which current good teams have a CM with Mainoo's profile?
None

He's good in tight spaces is not an attribute for a CM.

He doesn't have the passing range, no pace going forward or tracking back. He can't defend.

He comes off the bench and disappears in games just jogging around.

He's a forward who isn't good enough
 
None

He's good in tight spaces is not an attribute for a CM.

He doesn't have the passing range, no pace going forward or tracking back. He can't defend.

He comes off the bench and disappears in games just jogging around.

He's a forward who isn't good enough
Well looking at psg it is absolutely An attribute for a cm.

It's almost his only attribute though.
 
None

He's good in tight spaces is not an attribute for a CM.

He doesn't have the passing range, no pace going forward or tracking back. He can't defend.

He comes off the bench and disappears in games just jogging around.

He's a forward who isn't good enough
Talk about short term memory. We're just going to pretend last season and the Euros didn't happen right?
 
What makes people think Mainoo is worth 60,70 million?

Neves was £50 million, same age and bossing a CL final.
Well Vitinha who they also spent 40m on couldn't get a sniff at Wolves and also just bossed it in the final.

He's worth at least 45-50m in this market
 
Chelsea's midfield depth seems pretty good, does he even get in their 1st team? Seems like a hell of a lot of money to be using on a potential squad player.
Yeah it's a bit odd - even if he did become a regular it would mean them benching one of Enzo or Caicedo who they spent £100m + each on and then this is ignoring Lavia who has been a very good signing for them too.
 
He managed to look fantastic in ETHs non existent midfield. There's no reason he can't work out as a midfielder in any system
That's rewriting history. He looked fantastic as basically a 2nd striker in ETH's team but as a midfielder we routinely got walked through by any competent midfield opposition. Still get ptsd seeing him saunter back after we lose the ball in the oppo's box.
 
Talk about short term memory. We're just going to pretend last season and the Euros didn't happen right?
Look at the protection he had behind him and also the positions he played for England.

Can't play in a two in the middle of the park, meaning he's fighting with the forwards for a spot.
 
Look at the protection he had behind him and also the positions he played for England.

Can't play in a two in the middle of the park, meaning he's fighting with the forwards for a spot.
What formation did England play at the Euros? He played in the 2 of a 4-2-3-1