This is the crux of the case for me. There is no way a jury would convict a prominent celebrity when there is DNA evidence that she had sexual intercourse shortly after the alleged assault.
Where exactly did I label her a liar? And yeah, go ahead make me responsible for other people not talking about stuff someone else did to them because of stuff I didn't say. Great form.
I am not here to defend rapists or talk about statistics. You can't claim someone is guilty because of the statistics of the crime they are accused of. How in hell would you know the bolded part?
Sure they can. And I can call them what I think they are for coming forth with their own personal verdict from afar 17years after the fact on the day of his death.
I was watching an old Chappelle stand up clip and he referenced the woman having other semen.
Jesus, imagine him saying that now? He'd be done with the cancel culture that's going on.
Definitely debatable. Although I'm sure you'll come up with some obscure metric/analysis to back up your claim.
He stopped being a lockdown defender a long time ago. He was pretty terrible for the back half of his career.
Agree. That post was funny. Discuss it when everybody posting now doesn't have to see it. Good one.
He’s about as close to the GOAT as is humanly possible, occasionally transcending him (81 points etc). Pippen sums it up nicely here answering Strahan’s question.
You don’t believe her, and you came to that conclusion without bothering to read up on the case. Sexual assault victims not being believed is rampant. I have no problem with those in this thread who have looked into the case and come to the conclusion that he has no case to answer for.
...and I didn’t. The statistics were used to point out to yourself why someone could believe that someone is a rapist without a criminal conviction. Because landing a criminal conviction on a rapist is a gargantuan challenge. As for the false claim statistics there’s been numerous studies undertaken and the consensus tends to be around that mark.
I don’t think you should really be commenting on anyone because of their verdict when you came to your own without taking even a second to look into the details of the incident. If OJ died tomorrow and someone referenced the murder, I doubt you’d have a problem with them doing so on the day of his death.
Which list didn’t include Russell ?
Oh no I forgot a player while typing on my phone. What a tragedy. Thanks for your totally not disingenuous post as always.
The one posted above.
It's ok. You did good. Almost. There's plenty out there who'd get in before we have to resort to Chris Paul.
I remembered the case before reading up on it. I was 16 and into basketball at the time (not a lakers fan though!), and even people not into basketball knew about this case back then. Reading one buzzfeed article by some clickbait authour who was born around that time does not make you an expert on it.
Yeah, telling how you didn't choose Lance Armstrong or Ronaldo to compare him to.
You might have remembered the case but you didn’t read up on it. You showed yourself to be shockingly ignorant on the subject barely an hour ago.
I’ve never heard of a rape allegation against Lance Armstrong. I have heard about the Ronaldo one but haven’t really read up on it and as such I don’t feel qualified to talk about it. Something you could learn from maybe. OJ is a pretty valid comparison, someone who went unpunished for a crime in which there’s good reason to believe he committed.
Back half of his career included 2 finals MVPs. I’d also like to know what your metrics for greatness are.
Not even worth spelling it out but OJ is a really bad comparison.
Where? What did I say that was wrong? I've already asked you to show where I called her a liar. You didn't. Stop quoting me if you're just going to invent stuff and claim I said them.
Your posts aren't worth it.
You're talking about a double fecking murderer!
The whole ordeal is certainly a stain to some extent to another, but that also happened 17 years ago. The case was settled and he was pretty much squeaky clean since. His wife forgave him enough to continue being with him and start a family. Then consider all his on court accomplishments and the many many things he did outside of playing. Then consider the tons of people who have personally interacted with and the total praise they have for his personality, work ethic, competitiveness, etc. There is far more positive about him than negative. And while I agree with your last sentence, I'm sure the victim had a very robust $ettlement.
Complete with an iconic police chase!
Second one is great. I'm not one for changing the logo, but this would do nicely.
And racial tension that impacted the trial.
Why?
I’m not comparing their crimes, I’m comparing the fact that there’s good reason to believe both are guilty but have no criminal charge. It’s not like violent rape is some petty crime either.
How about you finally produce some of the goods then? What is it that makes you so certain? She accused him of rape, he said it was consensual. The case was dismissed. He settled for it to go away.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/02/usa.julianborger
Got no problem with your top 8 tbf, especially the ones in bolded. It's the next 10 I've got an issue with. Barkley, Wade, Malone, The Admiral, Chris fecking Paul?? You're having a laugh. Kobe is the 4th leading scorer in NBA history with 5 rings. 18x all-star, 11x 1st team all-NBA, 9x 1st team all-defensive player. He played with an artistry, put on a show with explosive dunks/natural shooting stroke, and was absolutely clutch. But for me, and I know it might sound silly, but it's that Mamba mentality, that ultra-competitiveness to step on your throat which makes him stand out from everyone, bar MJ.
The amount of evidence against OJ + all the good DNA evidence among others that rendered inadmissible in court is far more damning than any evidence in Kobe's case. The most profound evidence in this case is the vaginal lacerations but I linked this NIH study previously where it concludes that it's not necessarily a legitimate association with rape. Also found a Master's student's thesis(?) from South Africa that concluded "Genital injuries are not inevitable consequences of sexual assault." The case against OJ should have been a slam dunk case but the prosecution dropped the ball. Like I said, I'm not going to spell it out because I'm not in the mood to outline OJ's case line by line. I suggest you read up on his case on your own time and then you'll see why it's a terrible comparison.
You're right, mamba mentality sounds absolutely ridiculous
I know it gets overplayed and sounds kinda silly, believe me I do. But I've also witnessed it too many times to discount it. There's a select few in sports who have a competitive streak that others simply don't have. An insatiable will to win. Kobe had that in spades.
This tragedy affects all of us in different waysFFS, look what you feckers did. Got Florida Man scouring the internet for a masters thesis from South Africa researching "The nature and frequency of genital injuries sustained by female rape victims in Johannesburg".
What do you think this study says?
I know what you mean. It's those iconic moments where athletes cement their legend and ascend them to the top. It's the kind of moments that can even take regular average players and transcend them to be legends in our memory. That's how players like Cantona are top top legends in our club despite his stats not being as good as many others and only being here six year. I'll take it a step further and even say Macheda has a bit of a legend with us just from one kick. It's those types of moments.
