Well I mean this can devolve into a grander philosophical discussion about whether the purpose of incarceration is ultimately punitive or for rehabilitation. He was convicted and served his sentence and by all accounts subsequently has been contrite and a model member of society - do you not think he should be allowed to play in the NFL on that basis? Is the purpose of prison solely to punish and not to allow for reform?
Kurt Zouma / 180 hours community service + banned from keeping cats for 5 years
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Oh no I am all for reformation (see the thread about the bloke who was ruled a rapist in civil court for my arguments in favor of rehabilitation)
I am just shocked that in the US he played again, I thought the public reaction would be too visceral. What he did was heinous. And to dogs.
Ah I see! Apologies if I came across aggressively; I do think it's an interesting parallel and I was genuinely curious!
And what does the prick do when the camera isn’t rolling and he’s in a bad mood?
You're missing my point. None of them would pick them because it would be PR wise toxic to. Not because it's the "right thing to do".
I honestly don't think it was based on morals. Given the information out there regarding the alleged crime, and the size of the club, it would have been worldwide drama if he was playing still.
I do not think the Glazers all the way down to Ralf, are so moral they would suspend one of our players, with CL qualification on the line, if there were no PR ramifications that impacted the bottom line.
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Good. That’s much less than what he deserves. Moyes can feck off too!
There is no way this scum bag should have played tonight, and the apology is extremely hollow. These people that do this to animals should be punished the same way as if it was a crime committed to a helpless child, for example .
Just feck off
The guys a grade A Twat always has been.
I'd be happy to see Zouma kick the shit out of that cat, I'd gladly join in.Send this thing over to Kurt Zoumas house.
What a scumbag. He needs to pay for this.
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No worries!
Definitely an interesting parallel... The key difference here is that the NFL banned Vick, and reinstatement was up to the league, not any individual team. So he had to actively prove rehabilitation, not just complete his sentence.
Could be an option for the FA going forward for players convicted of serious crimes, or bringing the game into disrepute. If you leave the decision to clubs with skin in the game you'll end up disappointed.
People are arseholes. That part I can live with. It's the fact his club still play him and the manager is allowed to say that it's because winning a football game is more important than whether his players kick defenceless animals to death, that makes me angry.
Honestly football the last couple of years is a fecking shameless embarrassing shitshow.
If I got caught booting my cat around like a football I'd rightly be sacked and not a chance any of my colleagues would want anything to do with me. Hell even Boris would get his marching orders if it was him in the video. He'd be gone within hours.
I think I'm done completely. Pathetic "sport"
WTF !!!!! just watched the vid, WTF are West Ham doing letting him play, its a joke.
Kicking and slapping the cat is bad enough, but to do it in front of his kid and the kid holding the cat when it is slapped.
Kicking and slapping the cat is bad enough, but to do it in front of his kid and the kid holding the cat when it is slapped.
FFS reading this thread and just like the, he who should not be named thread that was deleted, I am shocked at the views of small minority .
Heartening to hear that most of us find his behaviour despicable. Just overheard a conversation on the train about how Zouma was simply "showing the cat who is boss" and that it was 'just a cat'. Some people are ridiculous.
What the actual feck is wrong with some people in this forum...
I actually think this will damage his kid more than the cat.
I thought booting a cat across the room would finally be the one singular event that he caf could agree on
sadly, I was wrong
sadly, I was wrong
I’d love to boot you across the room and slap you across the face and then laugh at you.
Kurt Zouma’s actions were vile and putrid . But I’ve also lost complete respect for Moyes. What a clown
This. Loads of footballers engaging in distasteful activities during their down time. You do wonder the impact their actions have on their progeny.
You forgot to add that the above would be just for the purposes of “playing around” with this dude and perfectly normal.
Wow, edgy take man. Hope you get the attention you crave for it.
Oh of course! Sure he’d love it and wouldn’t be injured
I agree with a lot on here about the kid observing this also. In any other walk of life, a child being witness to and joking around whilst an adult commits animal abuse and cruelty would be subject to Police and Social Work intervention.
There would be a lot more made of it by professionals of the person wasn’t in the public eye and dare I say, were below the poverty line.
There would be a lot more made of it by professionals of the person wasn’t in the public eye and dare I say, were below the poverty line.
With the Dildo Brothers as owners I doubt morals would come into it.
Wait, did someone on here actually try and imply he was "playing around" with the cat?
He kicked it better than he kicks a ball ffs
He kicked it better than he kicks a ball ffs
Bit like someone throwing a child down the stairs to see if they bounce like a ball. We were just playing.
“This is purely a footballing decision”
Absolutely ridiculous decision by Moyes & the West Ham to pick him to start the game last night. Moyes comments to defend the selection that "he is one of our better players" is absolutely absurd and perpetuates the toxic message that just because you're a premier league footballer you can behave in such a manner off the field, but that doesn't matter as long as we get the 3 points on the pitch.
In my opinion Zouma's actions were realistically never going to be a sackable offence from the club, however you would like to see the club acknowledge that they're 100% against his actions by sanctioning a serious fine and banning him for a few games to keep him out of the firing line at least. But to play him the same day is baffling.
In my opinion Zouma's actions were realistically never going to be a sackable offence from the club, however you would like to see the club acknowledge that they're 100% against his actions by sanctioning a serious fine and banning him for a few games to keep him out of the firing line at least. But to play him the same day is baffling.
That's worse than hitting a person in my opinion. A person van make a same decision and leave. A house cat not so much.
Wait, so if you’re not vegan then you can’t condemn someone that kicks a pet like a football?
Interested how people here would compare this to the Greenwood allegations
Apparently. Have they ever thought plants have feelings as well.
Did you post the right tweet?
EDIT: weird. There was a totally different tweet showing up from the same twitter account earlier.
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Considering I don't eat meat, not really. Good try though.
It’s always good when certain vegans take this holier than thou stance, then their arguments soon start to unravel when you establish exactly what animal products, or byproducts, they still consume, or what animals are exploited to generate their plant products.
Generally we can all be made out to be hyprocrites, but most would see a difference between the mindless bullying and physical abuse of an animal, and one being raised well then slaughtered to be eaten.