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Lewa wanting an early trip to Qatar, red card. :lol:
I just tuned in. Seriously, what was the point of that? And he was on a yellow already?
 

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Lewa red carded, he shouldn't have tried the Harry Kane move.
 

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Lewa keeping Madrid in the game, just like he was doing when he was at Bayern :drool:
 

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Yet another Busquets masterclass in the making.

It seems I overestimated him thinking that he can still be somewhat serviceable against weaker La Liga sides.
 

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Christ Frenkie, could you try not whinging at the ref after every foul on you for just once?
 

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Osasuna goal was....mmmm. i'm not sure it should have stood honestly

Didn't see the red but everything i've heard says clear

If barcelona escape with a point here it's their year
 

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Osasuna goal was....mmmm. i'm not sure it should have stood honestly

Didn't see the red but everything i've heard says clear

If barcelona escape with a point here it's their year
Very clear second yellow for Lewa. Closer to a red than to no card.
 

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Imagine paying 59 million for Ferran Torres. Eredivisie level striker.
 

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What a great ball and goal. Deserved as well. Kept it tight with 10 men and got the goals when needed.

Not a reverse jinx or anything like that, legit think they’ll win the league by March or something. Very consistent, good work by Xavi.
 

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I will never understand teams like Barca here continuing to attack and try score a third goal when a man down and just a goal up and your opponents attacking and putting pressure on you.
 

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Hugely impressive win and Barca continue to do wonderfully in Liga.
 

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Incredible win considering we were down to 10 but man oh man, Xavi needs to pull his head out of his arse and stop playing Busquets. The sooner he leaves the better. Frenkie deserves a chance at running the midfield without babysitting for that fossil.

Raphinha should start over Dembele also, so much more reliable and Xavi really did him dirty thus far. You can usually tell 10mins into a match if Dembele is going to be in world beater mode or low iq Dumbele.
 

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Pedri is unreal, I really hope his career won't be wasted with subpar Barça teams.
 

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Very important victory in adverse circumstances and in a difficult field.
Busquets today very bad. Baldé growing a lot every day.
 

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Very important victory in adverse circumstances and in a difficult field.
Busquets today very bad. Baldé growing a lot every day.
Yeah, we hit the jackpot with Balde. Now, he even looks good on the right side. Impressive performance once again. Imagine him now with half a season more experience. I still don't know why Xavi didn't trust him last season...Busquets with many dangerous mistakes against a pressing opponent, as usual.
Feels good to stay on top of the table at least until the end of december.
 

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Eeeh. I think we're gonna look very different after the world cup honestly. Barcelona are pretty much going at full tilt, we haven't yet. We'll see

Definitely they can win the league though, they're a 90+ points side
Madrid should be favoured to win the league but Barca have had a ton of injuries as well and once the CB’s are healthy I think the chemistry will improve.

crazy match today
 

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Incredible win considering we were down to 10 but man oh man, Xavi needs to pull his head out of his arse and stop playing Busquets. The sooner he leaves the better. Frenkie deserves a chance at running the midfield without babysitting for that fossil.

Raphinha should start over Dembele also, so much more reliable and Xavi really did him dirty thus far. You can usually tell 10mins into a match if Dembele is going to be in world beater mode or low iq Dumbele.
Would also like to see him make subs much sooner
 

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Yeah, we hit the jackpot with Balde. Now, he even looks good on the right side. Impressive performance once again. Imagine him now with half a season more experience. I still don't know why Xavi didn't trust him last season...Busquets with many dangerous mistakes against a pressing opponent, as usual.
Feels good to stay on top of the table at least until the end of december.
I guess Xavi didn't want to put Balde in a team with as much pressure as last year, plus he had some injuries.
Balde for 2-3 years was one of the most promising players of La Masia and has evolved very well.
According to the press, Barcelona is negotiating his renewal.

Now another player who needs opportunities is Chadi Riad, he has good conditions to be a good CB.
 

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Sure I mention this every week but what the feck is going on with Sevilla?!

Lost at home again and they were down to 9 men after half an hour!

Sampaoli has had no bounce whatsoever so it's developing from just a poor start to the season to full on crisis.

On for the double I guess, first ever team to play CL in second division while still finding time to win the europa yet again.:lol:
 

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Man, he has changed my mind on this before, but I think it's really time for Simeone and Atleti to part ways, no matter which side decides to let the other go. Honestly, he has tried to adapt play to the players around by now more than people will believe and there were glimpses where the combinations were outstanding. But then a few months pass and it's back to the good ole' hope the striker does a Costa/Suarez/Griezmann type game. Since the start of the 20/21 season hopes rose plenty times where it seemed that players like Felix, Lemar and Correa finally clicked. Add in gems like Llorente, RDP and even the successful signing of Kondogbia and the future seemed bright. Even Koke got some of his playmaking skills back.

But it all faded again and again. Felix and Lemar got injured too often to get into consistent form nor to be relied upon and Koke got back to his rusty self. Correa has shown plenty great games, but somehow gets punished when not scoring a brace unlike many of the other forwards. In a way I feel like while a lot of players got really good under Simeone, such as the resurgence of Lemar and Llorente, and players like Trippier turning into reliable players while retaining their skills, some players seemed to lose some of their precious skills.

Koke was such an exciting talent and while he grew into a relatively fine all round midfielder and a pretty solid captain, I noticed that I've become confused about the fact that this guy was the natural successor to Xavi and that it used to be somewhat of a clear trajectory. I remember waiting for his assist and passing stats to continue growing, but instead I wouldn't be surprised if he ends the season with 2 or 3 assists. He was such a quick thinker but now he can't keep up.

Same for Correa, perhaps it's partly due to the tumor that took a year out of his career, and perhaps he still tries to prove himself too much to keep his composure, but while he still shows some excellent skills at times, much of his unpredictable moves and elegance has gone entirely. I think it's still there and that we'll see more of him with a trainer that is willing to play him to his strengths, but I worry that the clock starts ticking. Felix has kept his skills and I actually think he has improved many sides to his game, but I don't believe it will be used to his nor Atleti's benefit anymore. I don't blame Simeone for Lemar's injury record nor Saúl's decline (I think his physical misfortunes damaged his mental strength and composure too much to at least become the player he seemed to become, perhaps he can reinvent himself, but...), but I'm getting pretty tired of the same hopes getting diminished and Simeone falling back to his old ways after one misstep by the team. It's as if he only sees missteps in the new, but is blind to the plenty in his known ways.

Perhaps he simply needs something new. He could be a great renaissance guy for a team in need, and perhaps with a TD that is aware of his shortcomings you can build a great machine that will be more consistent and fitting to his approach. But while Llorente is a great athlete, Felix is an elegant forward and the wingbacks are showing plenty of the Cholo spirit, Lemar is no Raul Garcia, Correa is no Juanfran, Koke isn't the same type of leader Gabi and Tiago were. They are different players, these are different times, Atleti cannot always stay the same, at least their signings show the wish for another approach. I will believe Simeone wants to change along, but him - or whoever has a big say in the tactics in his staff - are holding Atleti back right now.

I believe people can learn and I don't believe in firing people, at least not like they tend to do in football. But, I don't know if this Atleti is more than hope anymore. Simeone is a great people manager and it's astounding how many players he got into his game - and so consistently at that too. But the signs are appearing on all of the walls. The players are better but the play is worse. Maybe it's a rush of judgment, but I don't care for defensive game or even the kick and rush. It's great that Atleti knows how to suffer, but it hurts to see so much potential being unused. It saddens me seeing many people say Felix cannot work here, or not even seeing the great skillsets of himself, Lemar and Correa. They have shown it, but it's as if it must be hidden on too many occasions, while it really doesn't need to be. Yes it's good to keep some fighting spirit in there and the quick counter-thinking. Yes it's good to keep the incredible sharpness in defense as part of the tactical options. But why give up on the other beautiful sides of the game so quick so many times, when it's been clear on many occasions that this team can do so much more if they're simply allowed to.

Thank you for everything Cholo, you were an amazing teacher and leader, inspiring so many more players than seems possible. But if you care about Atleti and these players, things will simply have to change. I hope you can do it, but perhaps it's time to check if Inter and the like are looking for you again sometime soon...

I hate myself for asking for letting go of a manager, especially one who has given as much to this club as he did. I mean, he earns plenty for this job, so it's not like it's some underdog story vs the rich man (a little ironic with Atleti's reputation). But right now I'd rather see us lose games but feel like the team is doing what it can do just a bit more, than this... we're still top 4, but what does it even mean anymore if you're just holding yourself back. I don't care for the trophies even, but it hurts that they're only options when the top 2 both have a subpar season.
 

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Man, he has changed my mind on this before, but I think it's really time for Simeone and Atleti to part ways, no matter which side decides to let the other go. Honestly, he has tried to adapt play to the players around by now more than people will believe and there were glimpses where the combinations were outstanding. But then a few months pass and it's back to the good ole' hope the striker does a Costa/Suarez/Griezmann type game. Since the start of the 20/21 season hopes rose plenty times where it seemed that players like Felix, Lemar and Correa finally clicked. Add in gems like Llorente, RDP and even the successful signing of Kondogbia and the future seemed bright. Even Koke got some of his playmaking skills back.

But it all faded again and again. Felix and Lemar got injured too often to get into consistent form nor to be relied upon and Koke got back to his rusty self. Correa has shown plenty great games, but somehow gets punished when not scoring a brace unlike many of the other forwards. In a way I feel like while a lot of players got really good under Simeone, such as the resurgence of Lemar and Llorente, and players like Trippier turning into reliable players while retaining their skills, some players seemed to lose some of their precious skills.

Koke was such an exciting talent and while he grew into a relatively fine all round midfielder and a pretty solid captain, I noticed that I've become confused about the fact that this guy was the natural successor to Xavi and that it used to be somewhat of a clear trajectory. I remember waiting for his assist and passing stats to continue growing, but instead I wouldn't be surprised if he ends the season with 2 or 3 assists. He was such a quick thinker but now he can't keep up.

Same for Correa, perhaps it's partly due to the tumor that took a year out of his career, and perhaps he still tries to prove himself too much to keep his composure, but while he still shows some excellent skills at times, much of his unpredictable moves and elegance has gone entirely. I think it's still there and that we'll see more of him with a trainer that is willing to play him to his strengths, but I worry that the clock starts ticking. Felix has kept his skills and I actually think he has improved many sides to his game, but I don't believe it will be used to his nor Atleti's benefit anymore. I don't blame Simeone for Lemar's injury record nor Saúl's decline (I think his physical misfortunes damaged his mental strength and composure too much to at least become the player he seemed to become, perhaps he can reinvent himself, but...), but I'm getting pretty tired of the same hopes getting diminished and Simeone falling back to his old ways after one misstep by the team. It's as if he only sees missteps in the new, but is blind to the plenty in his known ways.

Perhaps he simply needs something new. He could be a great renaissance guy for a team in need, and perhaps with a TD that is aware of his shortcomings you can build a great machine that will be more consistent and fitting to his approach. But while Llorente is a great athlete, Felix is an elegant forward and the wingbacks are showing plenty of the Cholo spirit, Lemar is no Raul Garcia, Correa is no Juanfran, Koke isn't the same type of leader Gabi and Tiago were. They are different players, these are different times, Atleti cannot always stay the same, at least their signings show the wish for another approach. I will believe Simeone wants to change along, but him - or whoever has a big say in the tactics in his staff - are holding Atleti back right now.

I believe people can learn and I don't believe in firing people, at least not like they tend to do in football. But, I don't know if this Atleti is more than hope anymore. Simeone is a great people manager and it's astounding how many players he got into his game - and so consistently at that too. But the signs are appearing on all of the walls. The players are better but the play is worse. Maybe it's a rush of judgment, but I don't care for defensive game or even the kick and rush. It's great that Atleti knows how to suffer, but it hurts to see so much potential being unused. It saddens me seeing many people say Felix cannot work here, or not even seeing the great skillsets of himself, Lemar and Correa. They have shown it, but it's as if it must be hidden on too many occasions, while it really doesn't need to be. Yes it's good to keep some fighting spirit in there and the quick counter-thinking. Yes it's good to keep the incredible sharpness in defense as part of the tactical options. But why give up on the other beautiful sides of the game so quick so many times, when it's been clear on many occasions that this team can do so much more if they're simply allowed to.

Thank you for everything Cholo, you were an amazing teacher and leader, inspiring so many more players than seems possible. But if you care about Atleti and these players, things will simply have to change. I hope you can do it, but perhaps it's time to check if Inter and the like are looking for you again sometime soon...

I hate myself for asking for letting go of a manager, especially one who has given as much to this club as he did. I mean, he earns plenty for this job, so it's not like it's some underdog story vs the rich man (a little ironic with Atleti's reputation). But right now I'd rather see us lose games but feel like the team is doing what it can do just a bit more, than this... we're still top 4, but what does it even mean anymore if you're just holding yourself back. I don't care for the trophies even, but it hurts that they're only options when the top 2 both have a subpar season.
Atletico needs a new project with a new coach. Simeone's cycle in my opinion is over.
Atletico also needs young players, they have a very veteran team. Bring Riquelme who is playing well in Girona and raise some boy from the academy.

Unfortunately Atletico economically is quite at the limit and will need to make cheap and good signings.
If the team does not enter the Champions League it will be more complicated.
 

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Atletico needs a new project with a new coach. Simeone's cycle in my opinion is over.
Atletico also needs young players, they have a very veteran team. Bring Riquelme who is playing well in Girona and raise some boy from the academy.

Unfortunately Atletico economically is quite at the limit and will need to make cheap and good signings.
If the team does not enter the Champions League it will be more complicated.
If there's one thing that's not a problem right now, it's the age of the players haha. Witsel is old-ish at 33, while Savic and Griezmann are 31, but most others are in the mid to late 20s area, with some even younger than that. It's not like we're still in the Gabi-Tiago-Godin on their last legs era? You think they need teens? There are younger players than Riquelme around right now and I think it's wise to see if he can keep this up right now. I am glad he finally found a place with some regular playing time, though! But as long as Felix, Griezmann and Correa are around, I think it's better to keep him at Girona until at least the end of the season.

Speaking of which, I noticed Camello is getting more starts at Vallecano now, too!
 

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From an outsider point of view, Simeone has two problems he can't really fix. It seems to me he is kinda an one-trick pony.
Atleti had always their best seasons, when they had their defensive stability and it was a hard challenge to score even one goal against them. You guys never scored many goals yourselves, but even 1 or 2 from individual skill was most of the time enough if the opponent didn't score. That is lost now. Atleti still have a decent defense, but not comparable to a few years back. And that shows the other problem. Simeone was never a manager to implement a successful attacking system. He relied most of the time on individual skill of worldclass strikers. I believe a player like Felix for example would be much better today under a different coach. He wastes his huge potential with Simeone in my opinion.
And if you believe the press, Simeone earns around €40m. There is a huge discrepancy between his salary and Atleticos form for some time already, especially because Atletico even had to blackmail barca to save €20m for Griezmann. So I also don't see any other outcome than Simeone resigns, since they can't afford to fire him. The sooner the better for Atletico.
 

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If there's one thing that's not a problem right now, it's the age of the players haha. Witsel is old-ish at 33, while Savic and Griezmann are 31, but most others are in the mid to late 20s area, with some even younger than that. It's not like we're still in the Gabi-Tiago-Godin on their last legs era? You think they need teens? There are younger players than Riquelme around right now and I think it's wise to see if he can keep this up right now. I am glad he finally found a place with some regular playing time, though! But as long as Felix, Griezmann and Correa are around, I think it's better to keep him at Girona until at least the end of the season.

Speaking of which, I noticed Camello is getting more starts at Vallecano now, too!
By veteran I mean players who have been at the club for a long time under Simeone. There is a great wear and tear or mental fatigue in players like Koke or Saul, to give an example.
I think Atletico should sign young players because economically they are very tight. Make a medium-term project with young players and others who finish contract.
Try to reduce the wage bill and debt.
 

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The sooner the World Cup starts and ends, the better.

Players' minds are not where they should be.
 

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We nearly managed to throw this away :lol:

Can't believe i'm happy for the fecking world cup
 

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Lewandowski was banned three games for touching his nose.
Tired of the disparity of criteria. Shit and disgust of the Spanish league.
 
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