Let-me-tell-you-a-Storey Table Rides Again

[Crustanoid]

This reminds of me RAWK's Golden Glove.

Shhh....it's the only way Arse fans can feel superior.....other than winning the Emirates Cup or a throw in in injury time

 

[amolbhatia50k]

And what is clear from this season is; this is no longer the case.

It's been the case for years. Arsenal have been up there early on most seasons before falling away. It will no longer be the case if that's what happens at the end of the season.

Having said I will say that its nothing like la ligas top 2. That's just ridiculous.

 

[Sarni]

It'd be a useful piece of table had some teams not been so prone to feck ups in those 'easy' games that should be three points, now it's not any more useful than a real table.

 

[Sam.G]

It's been the case for years.

Maybe so. But it's not the case this season. Clearly.

 

[arjwiz]

Anyone got the updated table?

 

[Plechazunga]

Why do we always have to ask?

 

[Donkey's Ears]

Something seems wrong with some of the numbers reported.

It seems to me that under Peter's new system the rule is all home results are actual points - 3, i.e. a home win is zero, a draw is -2.

And all away results versus the top eight are the same as actual points, so a loss is zero, a draw is 1 etc

And all other away results actual points - 3.

Assuming the top eight is Chelsea, United, Arsenal, City, Spurs and Liverpool, Everton and Villa then Arsenal are currently on -1.

United are currently on -5 using this logic.

If we use the previous logic, where away points were split into 4,8,8, then it moves things much closer depending on which teams you put into which section. Under my assumptions, Arsenal were on -1 and we were on 1. Chelsea were much lower at -10.

 

[Donkey's Ears]

Arsenal: dropped home points (Newcastle (-3), Tottenham (-3), West Brom(-3)) -9, dropped away points (Sunderland (-2), -2, gained away points (Liverpool (1), City (3), Everton (3) and Villa (3), 10. Total = -1

United: dropped home points (WBA (-2), -2, dropped away points (Fulham (-2), Bolton (-2), Sunderland (-2)), -6, gained away points (Everton (1), Villa (1), City (1)), 3. Total = -5

Chelsea: dropped home points (Sunderland (-3), Everton (-2)) -5, dropped away points (Birmingham (-3), Newcastle (-2)), -5, gained away points (Spurs (1), Villa (1)), 2. Total = -8.

 

[SharkyMcShark]

All of which goes to show you what a bollocks system this is

 

[Plechazunga]

It's obviously not a bollocks concept - it's very useful and interesting, especially in the first half of the season.

Whether this particular system is telling us enough I don't know, because the judgements of what teams constitute the top eight are so arbitrary.

 

[Donkey's Ears]

Absolutely. Bolton for example, right now, look a much better candidate for a top eight classification than Villa.

It is interesting that Arsenal are right up there no matter what variation you use and Chelsea and City are consistently some way back.

 

[peterstorey]

It's obviously not a bollocks concept - it's very useful and interesting, especially in the first half of the season.

Whether this particular system is telling us enough I don't know, because the judgements of what teams constitute the top eight are so arbitrary.

Well I tried to remove the uncertainty by keying it to a top 8 rather than a top 4 + middle 8 + bottom 8. I think Arsenal, Man Utd, Chelsea, City, Spurs are nailed on. Everton and Liverpool are probables and always hard places to go anyway. Villa will probably be out but it's anybody's guess who will take their place. That variation shouldn't make much of a difference.

 

[Plechazunga]

Right. So what's the current table, then? You four points clear?

 

[Excal]

What Plech said. You can argue that Everton and Villa should be better than they've been so far, but they aren't. These two teams are a couple bad games away from relegation territory, (Everton especially have a thoroughly unimpressive home record,) but are called "top eight," whereas Bolton, who've been a genuinely decent side, and Sunderland, undefeated at home, are not.

 

[peterstorey]

So Villa should be an easy par 3.

 

[Sam.G]

......Liverpool are probables...

From nailed on top 4 to probable top 8.

Fantastic.

Roy? Rafa?

Suck my balls*




*gay

 

[Plechazunga]

I'd say you're certain top eights, probable top sixes and possible top fours

If Bolton and Sunderland are ahead of you by the end of the season I will insert a copy of the league table up my cock

 

[Sam.G]

I'd say you're certain top eights, probable top sixes and possible top fours

If Bolton and Sunderland are ahead of you by the end of the season I will insert a copy of the league table up my cock

Probable top sixes?

*sighs with relief*

 

[peterstorey]

Probable top sixes?

*sighs with relief*

If you sack Roy soon.

 

[Spammy]

I'd say you're certain top eights, probable top sixes and possible top fours

If Bolton and Sunderland are ahead of you by the end of the season I will insert a copy of the league table up my cock

Best print it out on A10000 paper then.

 

[Excal]

So, here's what I come up with for the table if you use the current top 8 by the standings as the "top 8" for this table:

United: -8
Arse: -11
Chelski: -14
Citeh: -15

 

[Sam.G]

If you sack Roy soon.

The owners were exactly eulogising all over him the night.

Not sure if that's a bad thing or not.

 

[Suedesi]

So, here's what I come up with for the table if you use the current top 8 by the standings as the "top 8" for this table:

United: -8
Arse: -11
Chelski: -14
Citeh: -15

do you have an excel spreadsheet?

 

[Excal]

No, just sorted through the fixtures table ticking off hashmarks for each of those four teams.

 

[olesmyhero]

The owners were exactly eulogising all over him the night.

Not sure if that's a bad thing or not.

If an owner says they plan on standing by the manager, there's a damn good chance he'll be gone by the next week.

 

[Suedesi]

What's the current table, boys?

 

[peterstorey]

Arsenal: dropped home points (Newcastle (-3), Tottenham (-3), West Brom(-3)) -9, dropped away points (Sunderland (-2), Wigan (-2), -4, gained away points (Liverpool (1), City (3), Everton (3) and Villa (3), 10.

Total = -3.

United: dropped home points (WBA (-2), -2, dropped away points (Fulham (-2), Bolton (-2), Sunderland (-2), Brum(-2), -8, gained away points (Everton (1), Villa (1), City (1)), 3.

Total = -7.

Chelsea: dropped home points (Sunderland (-3), Everton (-2)) -5, dropped away points (Birmingham (-3), Newcastle (-2)), -5, gained away points (Spurs (1), Villa (1)), 2.

Total = -8.

Updated

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Updated

City (3), Everton (3) and Villa (3)

How can you gain 3 points in each of those fixtures? Surely a draw is par?

 

[peterstorey]

For you maybe. (I changed the handicap).

 

[Bearded but no genius]

So he's changing it as he goes?

What a valuable tool Peter's Magic Table is.

 

[Jens' Face]

For you maybe. (I changed the handicap).

could you post how each team ranks? I mean, what category each team is in -- whether they'd be expected to be an away draw, loss or win for a top team.

I find this method very interesting.

 

[Excal]

He'll just change it again the next time Arsenal drop points.

 

[Plan M]

Can someone tell me what the point in this thread is?!

 

[Walrus]

City (3), Everton (3) and Villa (3)

How can you gain 3 points in each of those fixtures? Surely a draw is par?

A draw can be a win, remember.

 

[Excal]

Can someone tell me what the point in this thread is?!

Laughs, mostly.

 

[Donkey's Ears]

Current scores (by my calculatation):

Arsenal -5
Man United -7
Chelsea -13
Tottenham -15
Man City -18
Liverpool -23

 

[Donaldo]

I think we'll see that the second half of this season will follow a pattern we're all more familiar with. Which also means that this table will make a little more sense and might even be close to the final standings come May.

 

[Sarni]

I think we'll see that the second half of this season will follow a pattern we're all more familiar with. Which also means that this table will make a little more sense and might even be close to the final standings come May.

I think it has to have an exact same shape as the real one at the end of season anyway, doesn't it?

 

[EdWeatherall]

Any chance of an update on this?

 

[Excal]

Well, since Donkey's ears' post, United have drawn Tottenham away and beaten Birmingham and Blackpool, so that'll be no change to our score. Arsenal have beaten Wigan at home and West Ham Away, so they're now at +47.