What a comical take. England fans get wound up as much as anyone. Check out this thread from last time round.
Americans who write in perfect german language? No, these were definitely germans (or people who life there) posting in the forums i was reading that night.
Don't really think so. There is still an abundance of exciting young players in the league aside from those. And Bynoe-Gittens and Wirtz would also be in this list if it wasn't for their injuries. I mean, although the quality of the talent coming through was a bit off in the last years and the German FA adjusted the youth system to this, we still have three absolute elite talents in Musiala, Wirtz and Moukoko upfront.
Yeah, definitely. But that had primarily to do with the behaviour of English fans as well as Southgate's interview. It takes much for Germans to cheer for Italy. Generally, Italy ranks below England in terms of sympathies I'd say, though England isn't particularly popular either.
My original post has gone completely over your head, forget about it.
Remember that, a bizarre take. I had similar conversations with friends how were all about how can you support United but not England. I was like, what the hell, you even have folks in Croatia who support Dinamo or Hajduk but dont give a rats ass about Croatia NT.
I think you have misunderstood what I was saying, as I was not saying the hate/rivalry whatever you want to call it, was due to the spitting act, but when that happen the Dutch chap used the excuse of ww2 for doing it.
Oops you are right, missed that point.
From my point of view, I'd say Italy and England are the teams people generally want to fail. The Netherlands are probably the biggest rivalry but they don't have as much "ill will", at least here. But people still laugh at them for not qualifying, etc., and the first to make jokes about.
I don't think that's true. I grew up in southern Germany and would say that the Netherlands were certainly seen as our main rivals there, too. I guess it's rather a matter of when you grew up. The rivalry was pretty strong in the 70s and especially in the late 80s, when both countries had some of the best players in the world and the matches had a lot of emotions/hate (Euro 88, WC 90). I also remember some songs back then about the rivalry, e.g. by Joint Venture, and of course some fan songs were rather shameful back then, too, like "Bomben auf Amsterdam". Especially after Rijkaard spitting on Voeller, who was well-liked in Germany, there was some serious hate in all of Germany when it came to football and the Netherlands.
I wouldn't call these rivalries. I wouldn't call England-Germany a rivalry either. Of course, their yellow press gets quoted here and there is some noise in before matches, but it's mostly banter. In general, the Three Lions were largely seen as quite the opposite to Italy in the last decades. Quite a lot of friends had England shirts for example. But maybe there is some change there, too, because these days British teams are as prone to diving as everyone else.
According to Italy's wiki page, it states "Their rivalry with Germany is also long-standing, having played against each other five times in the World Cup, notably in the "Game of the Century", the 1970 World Cup semifinal between the two countries that Italy won 4–3 in extra time, with five of the seven goals coming in extra time. Germany has also won three European Championships while Italy has won it twice. The two countries have faced each other four times in the European championship, with three draws (one German penalty shoot-out victory) and one Italian victory.Germany had never defeated Italy in a major tournament match until their victory in the Euro 2016 quarter-finals, on penalties (though statistically considered a draw), with all Germany's other wins over Italy being in friendlies" And not forgetting it was Italy that beat Germany in WC82
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I think part of the issue with England is that Germans react strongly to delusions of grandeur and they feel that England overrates its importance in international football. In a way "It's coming home" is the international equivalent to Hamburg's notorious Bundesliga clock, the more you claim how special you are the more Germans are gonna want to see you fail. That's a very German trait...keep in mind that this is a country that has created a term called "Neidkultur" (i. e. "jealousy culture") to describe how people react when someone shows he's better off than most.
Yeh that thread went from friendly banter to genuine xenophobia pretty quickly.
What a terrible take
Your post is twat
Yeah, the rivalry with Italy is very football related. For my generation, the defeat in 2006 is still the most influential factor, I guess, as well as the corruption scandal in Serie A. The prejudices about Italy are usually that they are diving, playing unfair, ultra defensive bordering cynical plus they paid the referee. The Dutch are usually winded up with their lack of success/effectivity but that's that in a footballing context. I'd say it's a more fun and less bitter rivalry for most. France is generally a historical rivalry because of the two countries having fought multiple wars against each other so that's getting weaker year by year. I still remember some older people jokingly referring to them as "Erbfeind" (hereditary enemy) in my youth which luckily nobody would do now anymore.
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I honestly wanted Germany to win the World Cup after showing spine where it truly matters.
While I disagree on details I think overall this is a good take. There is a true football rivalry to those countries, while there isn't with England. But there is a certain annoyance about "English exceptionalism". The general perception of England is that at least a significant part is vastly overestimating English/British importance for the world and seem to think that they still live (or should live) in the Empire, Brexit being the most recent and crucial sign of this. It extends to football, but that's not the key in that regard.
You know he’s German don’t you?
Yes, I wanted to emphasize that a bit as the post he responded to used the wars as an argument, sorry if that isn't clear.
What exactly makes you think that way? Not sure I'd swap Musiala, Wirtz and Moukoko against any other trio of talents. Plus we have a CL-winning coach as manager and two other CL-winning coaches in Klopp and Tuchel as future options.
The players you mentioned are good but if you think they are way above average and they can lift the team to the next level then good for you. I just don't think they have it in them. I have seen plethora of young German talent over the years and saw them grew and dominate world football. Compare to them none of these guys cut it. May be I have unreasonably high expectations from German football.
The only German talent I've seen that's on the level of Musiala and Wirtz is Götze. And Moukoko might prove to be even better than those to if he continues like he started. He's currently busy taking over all the "youngest player to ..." records from Wirtz who just took them over from Haaland.
Go woke go broke. If they had focused on football instead of that, they wouldn't be out.
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I hope Germany get to thrash these lot soon
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