Stay away from this toxic cnut. Its not even like his players have set the world alight at utd present or past. Fergie was right about him, enough players and agents to avoid him.
I don't see what is difficult to understand. He is wrong because Raiola only has a handful of interesting players and most of them aren't for sale. And your argument was wrong because the few that are/were available have been targetted by the clubs that you mentioned. I hope that I made my point clearer.If you see in the Pogba thread, I just made a comment where I stated that ditching Raiola clients after Pogba leaves or retires is what I would want to see as a fan, but don't expect at all.
I'm not really wrong in theory when all my point boils down to is that his point was wrong in saying that Raiola is too powerful not to deal with. At this point I don't think I'll understand your view or counter-point to that, and I suspect I won't if we continue either.
Your point is clear, but it's wrong.I don't see what is difficult to understand. He is wrong because Raiola only has a handful of interesting players and most of them aren't for sale. And your argument was wrong because the few that are/were available have been targetted by the clubs that you mentioned. I hope that I made my point clearer.
Right, because Woodward would ever do anything like that And for what - for the sake of honor? That man will sell his own mother for 100 mil. And so will his owners Glazers. They have zero loyalties other than to money.I would fecking waste a potential 100 million fee on Pogba right now. We should ask Pogba to drop him right now. If he doesn’t, we don’t sell him till fecking 2021. Not play him to boot.
I see, when I say that you are wrong I'm talking about clubs actively boycotting Raiola, I wasn't talking about your disagreement with the other poster. I should have been more explicit, my apologies.Your point is clear, but it's wrong.
You're saying that I'm wrong because my argument is wrong, but my argument wasn't anything but an example based on memory, my point, made without any significant argument, was that his was wrong.
Whenever I mention that something is based on my memory I've usually bene clear about my memory being terrible, so and memories as arguments are always anectodal/just throwaway due to misremembering and the possibility of wrong reporting in the first place. If we're going by that view then for all we know the reports you've read and based your views on can be just as wrong. Even then I accepted your correction on my memory, but you are somehow still trying to argue that it changes my disagreement about Raiola not being near that powerful? That's silly and just being argumentative for the sake of it.
I knew that, and mentioned that you were correct in pointing that out. I think it just got overlooked.I see, when I say that you are wrong I'm talking about clubs actively boycotting Raiola, I wasn't talking about your disagreement with the other poster. I should have been more explicit, my apologies.
If media reports are correct, Barcelona was very much interested in signing De Ligt as recently as last summer, and De Ligt is a Riola client. We ourselves tried to sign both De Ligt, as well as Haaland. That is – going for one Riola client in each of the recent transfer windows.If my memory is correct, Barcelona haven't gone for a Raiola player since Zlatan. So that would be one of the biggest.
My memory on that part has already been corrected. But you're absolutely right, they went for Verratti and De Ligt.If media reports are correct, Barcelona was very much interested in signing De Ligt as recently as last summer, and De Ligt is a Riola client. We ourselves tried to sign both De Ligt, as well as Haaland. That is – going for one Riola client in each of the recent transfer windows.
I am all for avoiding Raiola, but he is not an insignificant agent. Appreciate you sharing the names of the clubs who are also avoiding him. I hope United follows their example.
My point is that you are right but the argument that you used was incorrect. I will have the last word.I knew that, and mentioned that you were correct in pointing that out. I think it just got overlooked.
Yeap, couldn't agree more with you there.My memory on that part has already been corrected. But you're absolutely right, they went for Verratti and De Ligt.
I never said he was insignificant, but personally, as a fan, I would prefer if the club avoided him. I realize it's not going to happen for loads of reasons, but the club has the option.
Bull crap.. we got a world class player and filled him with average players ran by as we already know. If we was successful Raiola's impact on the club would have been minimal. Yes he might have wanted to leave down the line but so what.. so did Ronaldo, RVN and De Dea and non of them was represented by Raiola. I'm fed up of us fans chatting rubbish, to fit some fake narrative.It has nothing to do with just the agent fees. This guy has been pushing for Pogba to leave since Pogba's second season. It's not about dealing with top agents, but dealing with personalities. We knew what Raiola was before Pogba came as we had dealt with Pogba leaving before. Yet we chose to move forward with it despite the signs because we wanted that quick fix instead of observing the whole situation. That's the difference between us then and now. We used to look at alot of things rather than just on pitch performance to determine the fit of a player to our culture and team.
He makes them a ton of money, has their back when they wish to move or struggle. Doesn't mind being the villain if need be. Going by reports he also becomes quite close friends with some of his clients.The man is a stain on football. Any idea why a number of the top players sign for him? I was surprised Haaland was with him.
I think Barcelona contacted DeLigt before DeLigt engaged RaiolaIf media reports are correct, Barcelona was very much interested in signing De Ligt as recently as last summer, and De Ligt is a Riola client. We ourselves tried to sign both De Ligt, as well as Haaland. That is – going for one Riola client in each of the recent transfer windows.
I am all for avoiding Raiola, but he is not an insignificant agent. Appreciate you sharing the names of the clubs who are also avoiding him. I hope United follows their example.
Until he starts burning bridges. If more clubs stood up to him and refused to deal with him, you can bet his clients will jump ship or at least be wary about signing with him.To be fair, if I am a very good player or player with huge potential, I may be tempted to appoint Raiola as my agent to serve my best interest too. Footballer career is relatively short (around 15 years in average), have to make the most out of it.
Why would you want an agent who doesn't have your interest at heart and always tries to maximize HIS own profits? And what does "making most" mean? Anybody at top level will make enough money but would you rather make 5 millions more, over your footballing career or win trophies?To be fair, if I am a very good player or player with huge potential, I may be tempted to appoint Raiola as my agent to serve my best interest too. Footballer career is relatively short (around 15 years in average), have to make the most out of it.
I have seen no evidence of Raiola being on his clients' side. Everything we know about him shows that he is looking to make most money himself, even if it hurts his clients.He gets his client what they want. He's on their side, not ours. If we liked him, he'd be doing something wrong.
It sucks, but that's what agents are there for.
Is the last sentence supposed to describe Raiola? Because the clients good enough to be in competitive clubs are in competitive clubs that win trophies.Why would you want an agent who doesn't have your interest at heart and always tries to maximize HIS own profits? And what does "making most" mean? Anybody at top level will make enough money but would you rather make 5 millions more, over your footballing career or win trophies?
I am not sure about that. What is Borussia Dortmund going to win with Haaland? How was that a better move than Juventus?Is the last sentence supposed to describe Raiola? Because the clients good enough to be in competitive clubs are in competitive clubs that win trophies.
Haaland is 19 years old and developing, moving too soon to a big club isn't necessarily a good idea, they can't guarantee playing time or proper development. They generally offer a lot of money though. As for picking Juventus over Barcelona, thy are both big clubs that will win trophies and Barcelona are among the clubs that give the biggest wages, so I'm not sure about how it fits with your argument.I am not sure about that. What is Borussia Dortmund going to win with Haaland? How was that a better move than Juventus?
And if rumors are correct that he derailed De Ligt from joining Barca, dragging him to Juventus instead... Was it a good decision for De Ligt or Raiola?
At Juventus Håland would have had to beat out Higuain and still develop his game to help Ronaldo instead of being the focal point.I am not sure about that. What is Borussia Dortmund going to win with Haaland? How was that a better move than Juventus?
And if rumors are correct that he derailed De Ligt from joining Barca, dragging him to Juventus instead... Was it a good decision for De Ligt or Raiola?
'He's....different', is probably how his clients see him/how he sells himself to them.He makes them a ton of money, has their back when they wish to move or struggle. Doesn't mind being the villain if need be. Going by reports he also becomes quite close friends with some of his clients.
I can absolutely understand it from a player perspective, but it's infuriating from a fan-perspective.
And you don't think Pogba is part of that decision? If Mino was pushing for a transfer, and Paul wanted to absolutely stay he'd have changed agents multiple times over.It has nothing to do with just the agent fees. This guy has been pushing for Pogba to leave since Pogba's second season. It's not about dealing with top agents, but dealing with personalities. We knew what Raiola was before Pogba came as we had dealt with Pogba leaving before. Yet we chose to move forward with it despite the signs because we wanted that quick fix instead of observing the whole situation. That's the difference between us then and now. We used to look at alot of things rather than just on pitch performance to determine the fit of a player to our culture and team.
Ronaldo is 34. At some point he will have to retire. Haaland could grow under him and replace him in 1-2 years. I mean nothing is guaranteed, but that's something you can plan for. Either way, I think we can agree that Dortmund is very unlikely to win any trophies, domestically or in CL, so there's that.At Juventus Håland would have had to beat out Higuain and still develop his game to help Ronaldo instead of being the focal point.
He's a very good agent, that looks after the career of his players. He's not some rogue agent, I'm sure Paul's wishes are to find another team.The man is a stain on football. Any idea why a number of the top players sign for him? I was surprised Haaland was with him.
Based on what was reported in media, Barca refused to pay outrageous agent fees that Raiola was demanding. De Ligt is not doing very well at Juve, from what I understand. In contrast, Barca ended up playing Lenglet as starting CB. I think De Ligt could have hoped for having a starting position, if Lenglet could do it.Haaland is 19 years old and developing, moving too soon to a big club isn't necessarily a good idea, they can't guarantee playing time or proper development. They generally offer a lot of money though. As for picking Juventus over Barcelona, thy are both big clubs that will win trophies and Barcelona are among the clubs that give the biggest wages, so I'm not sure about how it fits with your argument.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/tra...d-sources-before-posting.447057/post-25105095I am not sure about that. What is Borussia Dortmund going to win with Haaland? How was that a better move than Juventus?
And if rumors are correct that he derailed De Ligt from joining Barca, dragging him to Juventus instead... Was it a good decision for De Ligt or Raiola?
De Ligt wanted to become the best defender in the world and chose the team/league with the best defending reputation around.Based on what was reported in media, Barca refused to pay outrageous agent fees that Raiola was demanding. De Ligt is not doing very well at Juve, from what I understand. In contrast, Barca ended up playing Lenglet as starting CB. I think De Ligt could have hoped for having a starting position, if Lenglet could do it.
As for Haaland, as I mentioned above - Ronaldo is 34 and will have to retire in couple years. What better chance to develop than to join Juve with an eye of replacing Ronaldo eventually? But that wouldn't give sell-on percentage to Raiola. Hence the doubts about the motivations and honesty.
Thank you for sharing but I am not sure what that proves. He wasn't going to say "I did it to maximize my profit". The guy is a master of spinning storieshttps://www.redcafe.net/threads/tra...d-sources-before-posting.447057/post-25105095
Read the De Ligt and Haaland quotes