If you think waving a flag at them as a sign of protest against the bigotry of their government is treating them very badly then I’ve got some really shocking stories of oppression throughout history who would have loved a flag being waved in their face as the worst of their experiences.
LGBT issues in Football
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
All children (including LGBT children) have a right to freedom of expression, self-identity & inclusive education and access to justice, as per the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (UNCRC) to which Hungary has been bound since 1991. This law directly impinges on that right by denying LGBT children (and others) access to relevant information on their sexual and reproductive health. Information that (among other things) helps prevent and raise awareness of sexual abuse.
Beyond that, it deliberately stigmatises LGBT people (including those aforementioned children) which is obviously a direct imposition on their rights. As per the head of Amnesty Hungary:
"Tagging these amendments to a bill that seeks to crack down on child abuse appears to be a deliberate attempt by the Hungarian government to conflate paedophilia with LGBTI people."
Which is why the laws have been roundly condemned.
Making it illegal to mention a whole segment of society to children? Imagine that law applied to a religious or racial group? See the problem?
And that's not to mention the tea and coffee making facilities, which left a lot to be desired.
The tea kept spilling
Not everyone can have a cheese room. Bayern probably needed the space for their trophy cabinet…
This is wrong. I found the following english translation of the "evil" parts of it:
“in order to reach the objectives set forth by the present law and to protect the rights of children, it is forbidden to make available for minors content that features any portrayal of sexuality as an end in itself, any deviation from the identity corresponding to one’s sex assigned at birth, sex reassignment, or promotion of homosexuality.”
“When educating students on sexual culture, sex life, sexual preferences, and sexual development, special emphasis shall be placed on following the provisions set forth by Article XVI paragraph (1) of the Fundamental Law. These activities cannot aim to promote deviation from the identity corresponding to one’s sex assigned at birth, sex reassignment, or homosexuality.”
“Organisations of questionable professional credibility, created in many cases to represent certain sexual orientations,” are trying to “influence children’s sexual development with their so-called sensitivity trainings, causing severe damage to their physical, mental, and moral development.”
As the explanatory memorandum states, the law “amends Act XLVIII. of 2008 on Business Advertising in such a way that makes it unlawful to broadcast an advertisement to minors if the advertisement portrays sexuality as an end in itself, or portrays or promotes deviation from the identity corresponding to one’s sex at birth, sex reassignment, or homosexuality. The amendment made to the Media Act makes sure that [any such programmes] must be rated Category V (not recommended for minors). Under the proposal, advertisements must also be rated.”
I got this from https://www.euractiv.com/section/no...tion-hungarys-latest-anti-lgbt-law-explained/
How does any of what you have posted here make the post you quoted wrong? It literally confirms his point.
Why do kids need to be protected from homosexuality?
Bingo. Sign of times I guess.
Yeah it’s a sign people don’t think kids need to be protected from homosexuals
None of that contradicts what I posted. It seems you've just posted a translation of exactly what everyone is complaining about.
Did you actually read the piece you linked to? Because all of the below adds further to the context:
And so on.
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And yet you have shown a complete lack of reason throughout this whole thread. Irony.
You're showing it right now. Irony.
One mention of it and they'll turn gay, obviously.
I don’t think you understand the words you use. Anyway that’s my three posts for the day up. Ttyl
Because it's infectious. According to some.
You said that "this law directly impinges on that right by denying LGBT children (and others) access to relevant information on their sexual and reproductive health."
This is not true. It is not forbidden let's say for a teacher in the biology class to lecture about homosexuality. Only the promotion of it is.
I made the text of the law available. This is what matters and not what some activist claim it be or what they feel about it.
My uncle caught gay from an Elton John concert
I don't get it. What you posted only highlights what everybody's having a problem with.
The law is actually quite open to interpretation, that's one of the issues.
Also, the translation you posted is slightly inaccurate at one crucial section, this part:
The original text is as follows:
The translation you posted omits the final couple of words, "jeleníti meg". With that, the sentence does say that it's forbidden to make available for minors content that depicts homosexuality at all. And that can mean just about anything. Teaching Greek mythology could be a challenge.
It's also quite disgusting that it got attached to a law that is aimed at paedophiles, conflating child abuse with homosexuality.
Purely out of curiosity what does “promoting” homosexuality entail?
@Siorac - aren’t you Hungarian?
Only asking, as I think you are, and I want to get full effect from the humor in a guy posting an English translation of a Hungarian law to explain the law to a Hungarian.
Only asking, as I think you are, and I want to get full effect from the humor in a guy posting an English translation of a Hungarian law to explain the law to a Hungarian.
So you'll have no problem explaining how teachers will go about teaching LGBT children about their sexuality and sexual health without it being in any way "promoted" and without using content in which it actually depicted but also without it being treated any differently to heterosexuality and without it having a chilling effect on the way the topic is handled? Hmmm, good luck with that.
There's a hint to why you won't be able to do so in the actual article you linked to, which is that "promotion" is a vague term that has no legal meaning. Not only can you not know what it means, the people who have to avoid it while trying to deal with LGBT kids can't know what it means. But given the context of the anti-LGBT rhetoric it arrives under (directly linking homsexuality to paedophilia no less), it's pretty clear it's not intended to allow free and unfettered conversation.
And on a broader point, homosexuality isn't something that can actually be "promoted" (as if hearing about gayness will make kids gay). Which means all a law preventing the supposed promotion of homsexuality can actually do is target the portrayal, demonstration or discussion of homosexuality. Which obviously directly impacts LGBT people and is directly discriminatory.
In other words there's no way a law that tries to stop the "promotion" of homosexuality can be anything other than an attack on the rights of the LGBT minority, because the very idea that the promotion of homosexuality is a real-world concern of any kind is itself homophobic. And the implementation of laws against it can only be homophobic. And the only real-world consequences they can have are to impinge on the rights of that minority.
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So you're interpreting the word 'promoting' very narrowly to give the Hungarian government the benefit of the doubt - while they have been rallying against homosexuality, and all things LGBT, for years. And you think this makes sense why exactly?
More generally, if you would have followed these discussions over the past years (Hungary doesn't stand alone in this), it would be clear that 'promoting homosexuality' means simply talking about it, as basically anything that normalizes homosexuality (i.e., doesn't present it as something unnatural) is considered promotion of it.
Also, as @sullydnl is basically saying, how can you 'promote' homosexuality? What does that even mean?
If you could promote homosexuality it’ll be a chance missed if the slogan ‘suck it and see’ isn’t used
Or maybe, just maybe you don't understand them?
Just because somebody else shares my take on things does not mean we're evil but it just makes it more of a discussion.
Seeing the difference between hating homosexuals and not liking every single piece of promoting lgbt would be a fine start. Seems a bit too much of an ask though
.The underlying notion seems to be that being anything but straight/heterosexual is some kind of lifestyle choice. One that is to be condemned at that.
It's a throwback to a different era, in short. Absolutely shocking in every respect.
So what does 'promoting LGBT' mean, then? What in particular do you dislike or even deserves to be banned?Or maybe, just maybe you don't understand them?
Just because somebody else shares my take on things does not mean we're evil but it just makes it more of a discussion.
Seeing the difference between hating homosexuals and not liking every single piece of promoting lgbt would be a fine start. Seems a bit too much of an ask though
Yes, I'm Hungarian.
'Promoting lgbtq' - dangerously vague..Or maybe, just maybe you don't understand them?
Just because somebody else shares my take on things does not mean we're evil but it just makes it more of a discussion.
Seeing the difference between hating homosexuals and not liking every single piece of promoting lgbt would be a fine start. Seems a bit too much of an ask though
Is same sex people holding hands with their partner promoting lgbtq??? Is a film with lgbtq characters/plot? Is a song by an lgbt artist?
Pretty soon it's used to discriminate all aspects of life for lgbtq people.
To both guys quoting me: I've already listed things that happened during lgbt marches. And no, holding hands together is not one of them.
You mentioned vandalism which is already illegal I assume, and blocking someone from entering a premises is as well. Try again.
So of it's banned it should be punished and villyfied?
Or are we ignoring any potential violence towards lgbt marches because 'it's already illegal'? Try harder.
So by your standards violence is against LGBT is promoting the straight lifestyle. Why won’t you answer the question?
Jeez are you drunk?
Please tell me you are because reading that last post of yours makes me think I don't remember what I wrote a few minutes ago.
Does that include me? Cause I asked what you understand by 'promoting LGBT', and I don't see the answer in your post here.
Does it need a response? Seriously man.
We all know what people mean by ‘promoting’ homosexuality but they lack the balls to say it