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Don't forget slow-turn-then-sideways-pass-Matic and hoof-a-shit-ball-up-the-line-to-no-one-Young
Great work this mate cheers.I got their Opta stats (green background) for premiership games and added in Angel Gomes' Europa game. Then I wrote a formula (see Aggregate column). Gomes has a positive Aggregate = 40 (which is excellent in comparison to other players). The terrible 3 have negative Aggregates of -4, -5, and -11. Also added the average of the MEN ratings (2nd column).
He's been no worse than Rashford in the league in the last couple of games, whilst doing more defensively (2nd most tackles in the team after AWB). Average yes, among our worst performers so far this season? Not even close to Mata and LingardAndreas has a good moment in him but he's always getting dispossessed, he's been dreadful this season and a reason why we've constantly lost the ball in dangerous positions. He's the least bad out of the 3 for sure but is partly to blame for our mediocrity in attack recently.
Surely you've heard a "a dyslexic walks into a bra" joke.I don't know how all three of them let alone one can walk into a bra.
Rashford has been awful as well and I think he's back up LW/ST level at the moment and for the future, but he's good enough to be getting games and featuring at least. Pereira is pretty good off the ball but if that's main strength and output to the team when he's playing in those offensive positions then that's a red flag. He's lost possession more times than anyone in the team, in relative terms that outweighs the defensive statistic by a long way.He's been no worse than Rashford in the league in the last couple of games, whilst doing more defensively (2nd most tackles in the team after AWB). Average yes, among our worst performers so far this season? Not even close to Mata and Lingard
hes lost the ball, also won lots of freekicks. One of which he had a good effort saved himselfRashford has been awful as well and I think he's back up LW/ST level at the moment and for the future, but he's good enough to be getting games and featuring at least. Pereira is pretty good off the ball but if that's main strength and output to the team when he's playing in those offensive positions then that's a red flag. He's lost possession more times than anyone in the team, that outweighs the defensive statistic by a long way.
Pereira was tested in a deep role under Mourinho and it went terribly, he has his slight strengths but what's the point when he's so wasteful and sloppy with the ball at his feet when it matters.Pereira is at least a decent set piece taker. And could play a deep midfield role where passing the ball accurately is the main job. Mata and Lingard offers little.
He's played as CAM twice and played exactly the same game, and the fact that he's been playing as our right winger adds to the point of the thread really. Contributes to the imbalance and mediocrity in attack.hes lost the ball, also won lots of freekicks. One of which he had a good effort saved himself
I agree that its not ideal that its mainly pressing and tackling that your RW has brought to the team, but someone has to do it. We lost Ander and didnt replace him, our ball winning is done by a combination of Andreas, McTominay and AWB. Without them doing that job the defense will have even more pressure on it and we're currently conceding a goal a game on average. Lots of them coming from individual mistakes from our defenders. So giving them more work to do is likely to result in even more individual errors.
None of Andreas, McTominay and AWB can do the ball winning alone like Ander did. So its shared between the team and thats why Andreas has a role. He's also playing on the right unlike the other 3 making his stats irrelevant to theirs. They are playing in their favoured position behind the striker, Andreas is playing on the right.
We've seen this before and its fecking disaster. He's not good enough to play there, too weak, lacks the concentration and too wasteful with the ball. He can either play as a ten or thats it really.Pereira is at least a decent set piece taker. And could play a deep midfield role where passing the ball accurately is the main job. Mata and Lingard offers little.
He does, but while strengthening us defensively. And you can't ignore that.He's played as CAM twice and played exactly the same game, and the fact that he's been playing as our right winger adds to the point of the thread really. Contributes to the imbalance and mediocrity in attack.
Pereira was tested in a deep role under Mourinho and it went terribly, he has his slight strengths but what's the point when he's so wasteful and sloppy with the ball at his feet when it matters.
Compared to the other options? They have certainly performed no better... Matic and McTominay offers nothing on the ball.We've seen this before and its fecking disaster. He's not good enough to play there, too weak, lacks the concentration and too wasteful with the ball. He can either play as a ten or thats it really.
Also not a decent set piece taker, look at his corners in the last game, worse than Young.We've seen this before and its fecking disaster. He's not good enough to play there, too weak, lacks the concentration and too wasteful with the ball. He can either play as a ten or thats it really.
You really think he's a better option in that position than McTominay? I'm not McTominay fanboy, but its frankly ridiculous that you think Andreas would be better there than him.Compared to the other options? They have certainly performed no better... Matic and McTominay offers nothing on the ball.
If we are looking for a player that can sit deep and pass, then yes. Thus allowing PP to go forward. Problem with Pereira is that his decisionmaking around the oppos box is really bad. If he his given the role to simply pass and retain possession safely, he might contribute and perform well.You really think he's a better option in that position than McTominay? I'm not McTominay fanboy, but its frankly ridiculous that you think Andreas would be better there than him.
That's the issue in a nutshell. Certain players take it to another like Lingard who even goes as far as hiding from the balleveryone is scared to do anything around the box, so they just play the predictable pass
Mata was awesome for Chelsea.Was Mata always a sideways passing merchant even in chelsea days? He always likes to play risk free football, was that the case even at chelsea?
He should know better, as should Mata, you can forgive the kids but the old heads should be able to handle the pressure. That said, I don't think Mata should be playing the second half when we are usually up against it. He should be on when both defences are there to be unlocked. He is never going to be a super-sub. The one player who looks like he is enjoying himself is Greenwood.Lingard who even goes as far as hiding from the ball
He was played in the number 10 role there. We’ve had managers who would play him on the right wing. You know to utilise the abundance of pace that he had..Mata was awesome for Chelsea.
Hang on, when Jose was here, we said everyone was affected by his "coaching" too.Lingard wasn't too bad before Solskjear took over, he was like our new jung si park in big games for van Gaal and Mourinho, he was definitely a very good squad player but has suffered under Solskjear's coaching much like nearly the entire squad.
Aside from the that final half season under Mourinho I didnt see how players were failing under his coaching and there was more to Mourinho's bad third season than his coaching with the sulking, getting into the power clash with pogba, playing players all over the place to prove some point to Woodward that we should have signed more players in that summer and creating an awful toxic environment, the signing of Sanchez on crazy wages certainly didnt help as well with dressing room harmony.Hang on, when Jose was here, we said everyone was affected by his "coaching" too.
Ole had that initial buzz like new managers have, but it was such an extreme and long buzz that it seemed to be a bit more than the usual.
We then thought it was maybe because the players had been left so out of shape, and the new "Intense" style was ruining them.
I have no idea what excuse if any we can use now. Beyond both management and players aren't good enough.
Mata couldn't outmuscle the door and lingard would be streaming it online. They wouldn't even get in.all walk into a bar...
Solskjaer has nothing to do with Lingard's shite performances. He's nowhere near good enough, if he wasn't blessed with coming through the academy he'd be playing at a lower league level.Solskjaer's lack of accomodation for a system to implement our attacking players make the perspective that these players are worse than they are. Mata and Pereria are garbage for me under most circumstances (though Mata when he's engaged does keep the ball ticking). Lingard is at bear a decent option, he's proved so with a few performances under Mourinho and for England. Too many fans are looking at the players and not enough with how Solskjaer is coaching them.
Sample size is way too small to do any kind of statistical analysis.I got their Opta stats (green background) for premiership games and added in Angel Gomes' Europa game. Then I wrote a formula (see Aggregate column). Gomes has a positive Aggregate = 40 (which is excellent in comparison to other players). The terrible 3 have negative Aggregates of -4, -5, and -11. Also added the average of the MEN ratings (2nd column).
Yet other posters here tell me:Sample size is way too small to do any kind of statistical analysis.
Pereira is at least a decent set piece taker. And could play a deep midfield role where passing the ball accurately is the main job. Mata and Lingard offers little.
I dont care if it's his fault or not. If you cant perform you're out.I feel sorry for Pereira. He's working hard and it's not his fault he's unsuited to being a right winger and is only there because we don't a single one in the squad.
Lingard and Mata have no excuse for their performances this season. It's like their in a competition with each other to see who can be the more ineffective #10.
Perreira looks woefully out of place on the RW....Doesn’t look entirely comfortable as a RCM....Not sure what’s his best position,don’t think he’s good enough for United.Lingard and Mata are good squad players,but your bound to be in serious trouble if you rely on those 2 to win matches consistently....Pretty much very awful game so far has involved 2 of these 3 players taking up the no.10 and RW position. It tactically doesn't work and none of them are fit for the bench. It blows my mind that this was seen as adequate enough in the summer. Solskjaer's fault or Woodwards?
Difference between passing in the final third and from a deep position without pressure. He can pass well under specific circumstances.Yet other posters here tell me:
Pereira ... could play a deep midfield role where passing the ball accurately is the main jobDo my stats, at least, contradict this fanciful hope?
PS: I was an Andreas fan. By now, I've mostly given up. I can't see a role for him. Not even good enough to be a squad player for United. Not at: #6, #7, #8 nor #10. There are far better players out there earning a lot less than him. United don't move enough of their squad on each summer. A club with such a so-so squad should be bringing in at least 5 players per summer transfer window. If the transfer budget is only £100m/year Ole should bring in cheaper players. Buy more players like James, and fewer like Maguire. When you look outside the big 5 leagues there are plenty of better players than our terrible 3. Either coaching, or tactics are wrong. I think we play Pogba too deep to accommodate an attacking midfielder because the squad balance says we have players who will be good attacking midfielders. They are not good.
You are only as good as your last few games.