You must be on the wind up, citing the winning goal against leicester as an achievement - maybe you should actually watch the goal. It was also his first premier league goal or assist in around 18 months
Where did I do that?
Let's be honest, Lingard's month or two of scoring goals and playing well was the purplest of purple patches and definitely the exception and not the rule during his career so far. Before and after that his production has been abysmal for a forward player.
Which just happened to coincidentally be the first time in his career he was allowed to play 10 for an extended run. Purple patch or player finally being set free in his preferred position? Lest you forget he also carried that form through to the world cup. I'm not saying he is good enough to start at Utd - I'm saying he could have brought a lot to the team if he hadn't been completely frozen out.
He's been frozen out because he was absolutely woeful for close to 2 years. He had a crazy amount of chances, fans were pulling their hair out that he was still involved so much after such bad form. Ole give him every chance to stay in his plans but he failed to deliver. He even had 40 appearances just last season.
The point I'm trying to make is hes saying he wasnt given any chances. He was given loads before and was crap. Ole saw him in training and didnt see anything to change his mind about giving him more chances. Now hes gone to another club and because hes scored 2 in 3 games starts bleating how hard done he has been. Why didnt he keep his trap shut and if he was a success at West Ham he may have been able to say something at the end of the season. In fact he may have then been given another chance by Ole, if he is still here.
I agree with Rashford and Martial and as I said to another poster if Lingard had have kept his mouth shut and at the end of the season, been a success at West Ham, he would have had every right to spout about giving another chance. Ole saw him in training and must have thought he was the worse of the 3, which dooesnt say much.
SAF sold him partly because he was getting grief off the match going fans. Imagine if social media existed back then.
He was frozen out after the first year and given few chances the next so not quite the case that he's been woeful for 2 years. I don't mind a player being moved on but I do have questions on which player gets moved on and how. Arguably he's to be replaced by DVB who plays in much the same way with little evidence of increased quality. For the past few years he's also been one of the lower earners so wages shouldn't factor in.
And what has Martials output been for this season? Dont think you can get any closer to zero output than what we have got from Martial so far this season.
Martial's output has been 12 goals/assists in 29 games during probably his worst bit of form in his career.
He has vs Watford and Fernandes scored the winning goal in that game we won 2-0.
Those numbers really do give us some perspective on Lingards productivity or lack there of. He'll do well for a park the bus/kick and run side like West Ham, good luck to him.
Martial, Rashford and Sanchez all played there.
In fairness I asked about his output this season. My whole point has been about how they are currently playing and no one can tell me that Martials output is better than Lingards at the moment, it's not. Martials output is dreadful at the moment, not sure why you seem to disagree with that. Talking about past glories is pointless when your form has been awful for more than half a season.
That's because it never happened, back in 17/18 in which i think we can all agree was Lingard's best ever season he had 13 goals and 7 assists from 48 games. Martial this season in which i think most of us can also agree has been probably his worst season has 7 goals and 8 assists from 29 games. Even in this horrible form would you bet against Martial having 13 or more goals by the end of the season?
Really disappointing to read. Says a lot about who he is that he deflects responsibility for not playing while he was here. Hope he doesn't come back.
Definitely, and it will be dismissed should Lingard do well, the same way Lukaku and Smalling's cases were dismissed. I feel Martial will be the next to get the Utd treatment.
I'd say that's debatable when it comes to players that come through our academy. It might be true for players that we buy but we tend to shelter those that we bring through. Lingard is one of those. Now that he's out in the real world he actually has to prove he can bring the goods not hide behind statements about percentages and how far he's come.
2 goals that any half decent keeper should have saved*, and won a penalty.
Do you mean just under Solakjaer? Or Ole, Jose and LVG?
Going back to the last few years of SAF
Very reasonable caveat honestly
To be honest, I fully expect Jesse to have a better return of goals/assists than Rashford over the same period.
But surely 4 managers can't be failing the players in the same way?
Really?
Hmm half way through the season and half way there in terms of goals. I'd have to say that I would expect him to surpass that so no I probably wouldnt bet against it but also wouldnt bet a whole lot on it happening either. Martial has 4 goals from 19 PL appearances this season playing for the highest scoring team in the league, at least we were until very recently. Going back to my original point, I would definitely wager that Lingard or Dan James would have more by now if they had 19 appearances same as Martial.
That's a misreading of what he said. He said he hasnt been given chances post lockdown--and that was in the context of explaining that he needed to move to play.
Who have you been watching the last 6 years?
He's misrepresenting that himself. Lockdown wasn't some magical reset. He didn't get chances post lockdown because he didn't perform prior to it. That's not Ole's fault.
For the last fecking time I'm not arguing that he is a better player than Martial. I'm talking about current form. Lingard is in better form than Martial at present. You seem to think differently so good for you. He has already got two goals and it has taken him 2 or 3 games not 19.
