I would love to just see them try and go all out attack and just see what happens. Argentina get way too political, overthink it, become negative and never really hit the heights they should.
If their strength is attack, commit to that and eventually the combinations and slick football will come. Way too much chop and change at the moment.
No.
I think it's both, Argentina is messi and ten players rather than being a team. It should be a team that is built to messis strength but doesn't revolve around messi as it does now.
The team revolves around messi BECAUSE there is no one else apart from him to to make an impact. Why do you think he drops deep? In barca and in argentina both? Because there are no players who can constantly create chances for him in the forward position.
This is not true. He saved us with an hattrick in Northern Ireland first when we were in serious danger of finishing third behind Israel. Then he saved us again with an hattrick in Sweden.
The point was not whether Maradona would score more goals if he played further forward that's debatable. It's whether he'd hit these goal scoring heights that is.
Dybala or pastore can both play that role?
But the point he was making is that these teams should never be in danger of not qualifying which was the case in these instances.
He generally received the ball in midfield, quite deep at times. If he didn't get the ball in buildup right away, he usually didn't push up, but let the game pass him by, looking to receive it with Argentina's offensive players well in front of him. No matter how his position is nominally depicted in graphics, in my eyes he clearly played as a free-role attacking midfielder.
I'm not sorry to say you are taking out your arse.
That's pure nonsense. Maradona was the purest version of an old school 10. He was oriented to creating more than scoring goals, and was a proper midfielder even though he had a decent goal record and carried a proper goal threat. He never ever employed nor played like a Del Piero type.
Its not my fault, but yours alone that you wrongly imagine that being oriented to creating equals to being a pass first kind of player. Which simply betrays a fundamental lack of understanding of the role Maradona played on a football pitch.
Why not? Nobody expects us to qualify easily here. Getting to this many tournaments in a row is a great achievement for us and it's something that I don't think we'd be able to repeat anytime soon had it not been for the expansion of the tournaments.
Which would both be drastically flawed arguments. Goal scoring alone can never make any attacking player superior to another, same as play making alone. The whole players repertoire of skills must be called into account.
Fair enough.
Must suck for you that someone as short as Messi is, is the GOAT. His dribbling, ability to create chances, playmaking and finishing are all superior to the "complete athlete" Ronaldo. And mind you, I like Ronaldo, but Messi is simply astonishing.
I remember Messi ripping apart Madrid a few months ago right on Bernabeu. Made Carvajal and Casemiro look like Sunday League players.
I suppose if Ronaldo has a shit game vs Levante, they figured out how to block him?He's the goat for you and a few others uneducated fellas that never played football seriously. Even by youtube alone, can you watch Maradona's or Pele's footage and say with a straight face that Messi is the more talented player? He is deadly on the final 3rd but he's not as gifted as some past greats. I still prefer to watch Messi than CR7 as the latter still irritates me sometimes but i honestly, as much as i love football, never went out of my way to watch messi on tv.
Utterly baffling post
Not how to stop him, how to slow him down. Madrid didn't man mark him at the Bernabeu like they did in the Super Cup with Kovacic in the Camp Nou. Of course he'll still decide games anyway because he's Messi but the way Ecuador played, they made it as easy as possible for him. Don't allow him to run at your defense and you've stopped Messi at his most dangerous phase. Have someone on him like Battaglia, Kovacic or Maffeo did, don't allow him space between the lines and foul him if he gets by.I remember Messi ripping apart Madrid a few months ago right on Bernabeu. Made Carvajal and Casemiro look like Sunday League players.
They don't have any recipe to stop him. He was just in preseason form in the Supercup and Barca didn't show up.
Getafe?
There's only one way to stop Messi. Don't give him space, go tough on him and pray at least one of the following two things happen: he's not in a very good day and you get a lenient ref. If you're out of luck and none of those happen, he'll probably score a couple, nutmeg half your team in the process and get you at least a sending off for repetitive fouling.
Also.
Which part? i admit the post was a bit spicy but it was just to add some banter (i knew that the poor man's Maradona would trigger some
). The thing is, if someone doesn't join the goat bandwagon they get replies like yours. No discussion, no explanations, no reasoning why you think Messi is in fact the GOAT. I honestly tried to become a fanboy because we always need a goat right? What is it? better flair than Pele, Maradona, Ronaldo9 or Ronaldinho? More complete player than both Ronaldos? more vision and game control than Platini/Zidane? More heart? FFS, he was drugged to grow and got nurtured in the best academy in the world. As i said, i even prefer him to CR7 so what's the big deal? Is it so mind-blowing that he is one of the best forwards of modern history but not the greatest?Irony is.. saying Messi was drugged and then choosing Maradona over him.Which part? i admit the post was a bit spicy but it was just to add some banter (i knew that the poor man's Maradona would trigger some
You should be thread banned for just dropping in, calling Messi a goat and then leaving
Dybala isn't starting coz sampaoli says they haven't played much together and won't work and pastore is almost always injured.
Isn't that what friendlies are for?
Can’t comment on players I haven’t seen and if anyone was better than Messi, good for him and I regret not being able to see someone that great live.
Messi is literally arguably the goat at the most crucial parts of the game. Meaning dribbling, passing, technique, creativity and finishing. It is really easy to see why so many educated fans and legends of the game consider him the best in history.Which part? i admit the post was a bit spicy but it was just to add some banter (i knew that the poor man's Maradona would trigger some
What a trainwreck of a post.
Messi only played 10 of the 18 games Argentina had to play to qualify. They got 21 points in those games, Argentina only got 7 in the games he didnt play.
Says Messi lacks skill and calls others uneducated.
That happens when you are the GOAT.
You're probably thinking of Luis Ronaldo there.
Yeah that was a kind of illiteral way of putting it from me. Couldnt make up my mind.
There has, and never will be a superior or more defensively imperious league above 80's and early 90's serie A. The high press of today is good... for this era. In the time of 2pts for a win, it would be suicidal, and the quality of midfielder and their dribbling ability would have a field day beating the high press and strolling on to goal with only a discombobulated backline to take on.
The interesting thing about Maradona is he was a prolific player well before Messi was in terms of age. At 15(!) through to 21, he had 116 goals in 166 games. It's only because he was so utterly dominant playing further back that it became his thing. It's a catch 22: do you want to grab goals and not control the game, or completely control the game and hope to nick a goal in the process? That was the conundrum for managers handling Maradona, and it's over time that his finishing declined because he was no longer deployed in the position which would see his frequency of shots remain high and finely attuned.
