Any specific, realistic options ?A striker plays in the forward line. I don't get your point.
Any specific, realistic options ?A striker plays in the forward line. I don't get your point.
Anybody we want bar a certain few at the very top clubs are realistic if we pay huge money.Any specific, realistic options ?
Some of the players you listed we would've already bought if we wanted them and they wanted to move imo. I doubt we're in for Kane as he would be too expensive relative to his quality, Lacazette has said he is staying at Lyon. Only Griezmann is a viable possibility, but again as we saw with attackers like Falcao and Di Maria, it would not guarantee anything.Anybody we want bar a certain few at the very top clubs are realistic if we pay huge money.
Of course nothing is guaranteed. But I'd rather try and compete than simply try and consolidate fourth place. That's just my opinion. And players like Lacazette said he would stay at Lyon, but everyone has a price.Some of the players you listed we would've already bought if we wanted them and they wanted to move imo. I doubt we're in for Kane as he would be too expensive relative to his quality, Lacazette has said he is staying at Lyon. Only Griezmann is a viable possibility, but again as we saw with attackers like Falcao and Di Maria, it would not guarantee anything.
You'll be waiting a long time then mate, it is completely clear to me and I'm certain we aren't winning anything whilst he's at the club and I can't wait till, he fecks off. If the report on sky sports website is true where LVG basically says we don't need to strengthen then that's the final nail in the coffin for me.I am waiting for the moment to quote you on such a sweeping statement if we do win anything. Don't like him ? Fair enough. I hate Rooney both as a player(currently) and as a person but have repeatedly said he can change my mind with some good form and goals. I have never said that said good form definitely wouldn't come and that I won't be proved wrong. Hell, I'd love to be proved wrong. As for his personality, not so much.
You're telling me you wouldn't have signed up Di Maria/ Falcao given the opportunity and the reputation/ability they possessed
Agreed, today was the sort of game that we would have lost 1-0 with the opponents getting 1 shot on goal in the past.Well in his final years at United, Fergie couldn't break down parked buses too. In fact, United haven't been able to break down parked buses since 2008! So leave LVG alone1!!1111!
at least i think that's how it goes
Fair enough, good points. I also had a feeling we were 2nd choice for Di Maria but felt he would grow to love the club and tradition. I couldn't have been more wrong.You'll be waiting a long time then mate, it is completely clear to me and I'm certain we aren't winning anything whilst he's at the club and I can't wait till, he fecks off. If the report on sky sports website is true where LVG basically says we don't need to strengthen then that's the final nail in the coffin for me.
Also no I wouldn't have signed ADM it was clear he didn't want to come here, I actually said that when he signed we were his 2nd choice and if a player isn't committed then I wouldn't be interested. Falcao was worth a punt because there was not telling how it could've gone for him.
I'm just completely baffled and angered how he can spend £250 million and not have a team capable of WINNING the league or WINNING the champs league. When you spend that huge amount it's not a case of simply contending for the trophies its a case of how many we will be winning.
I wasn't a fan of moyes and his time here was pretty dire but I don't see anything different from his time and LVG time except LVG has spent £250 million but in turn LVG has made us one of the most boring teams in the league to watch and nowhere nearer to winning anything.
It's a long season and I'd love to be proven wrong but just can't see it all all.
I wish people would stop with the " x number of signings away from this". It's not the signings that are holding us back. It's the way we are set up to play.I thought the majority of fans would have got over SAF but from the evidence of this thread I can see there is a few who think we can replace SAF like for like, the reality is "those days are over" you can quote me on that but I personally cant see another SAF in this day and age. Football is ruined by money and sponsors want results which cost managers jobs (unless your a specialist in failure).
We need to get behind LVG as he has the experience and expertise to turn this club around to winning ways, which with all the new players in and the deadwood out is a MASSIVE improvement and is well under way to creating something special.
I remember the Moyes days when a lot on here were saying "bring in LVG to steady the ship and then let Giggs/Pep/Klopp take over" So what's changed lads? I think LVG has steadied the ship and has setup a solid foundation which is a big difference from when Moyes was here, we were a fecking laughing stock!
I'm happy with LVG, yes he's spent money but look how many players have left and needed replacing. We are 1 or 2 signings away from being a force again but that doesn't mean we can't win anything with this team.
Rant over.
He has bought 12 players and some of them were overpriced and he doesn't have control over how much we Pay. We cleared out close to 21 players. If you think rebuilding a team is cheap especially for United, then I suggest you check which year you are watching the game from. If you consider the amount Jose spent to get back to winning, he spent close to £150m just to get the team back winning. And that is not even counting players like Cahill azpilicueta ivanovic terry cech Oscar hazard who were already there when he took charge so he had a solid spine to build on we had to sell most of our players who were too old or too average to be in the squad for us. So LvG had to start from scratch and now he has a very good team with good defenders and midfielders and not so bad attackers (not brilliant attack but not incompetent as well). If you think that is cheap to do, then please continue to be blind.You'll be waiting a long time then mate, it is completely clear to me and I'm certain we aren't winning anything whilst he's at the club and I can't wait till, he fecks off. If the report on sky sports website is true where LVG basically says we don't need to strengthen then that's the final nail in the coffin for me.
Also no I wouldn't have signed ADM it was clear he didn't want to come here, I actually said that when he signed we were his 2nd choice and if a player isn't committed then I wouldn't be interested. Falcao was worth a punt because there was not telling how it could've gone for him.
I'm just completely baffled and angered how he can spend £250 million and not have a team capable of WINNING the league or WINNING the champs league. When you spend that huge amount it's not a case of simply contending for the trophies its a case of how many we will be winning.
I wasn't a fan of moyes and his time here was pretty dire but I don't see anything different from his time and LVG time except LVG has spent £250 million but in turn LVG has made us one of the most boring teams in the league to watch and nowhere nearer to winning anything.
It's a long season and I'd love to be proven wrong but just can't see it all all.
Indeed.I wish people would stop with the " x number of signings away from this". It's not the signings that are holding us back. It's the way we are set up to play.
Just sign a striker though, we're mint.I wish people would stop with the " x number of signings away from this". It's not the signings that are holding us back. It's the way we are set up to play.
He didn't said we don't need another striker, infact he said he is looking for new players but would but they must be better then what we have.He's actually deluded if he thinks we don't need another striker. I honestly can't see us winning anything with him in charge.
Some sense spoken at last! I agree with you Will. We are 2 players away from being a real force. 2 special front players though.I thought the majority of fans would have got over SAF but from the evidence of this thread I can see there is a few who think we can replace SAF like for like, the reality is "those days are over" you can quote me on that but I personally cant see another SAF in this day and age. Football is ruined by money and sponsors want results which cost managers jobs (unless your a specialist in failure).
We need to get behind LVG as he has the experience and expertise to turn this club around to winning ways, which with all the new players in and the deadwood out is a MASSIVE improvement and is well under way to creating something special.
I remember the Moyes days when a lot on here were saying "bring in LVG to steady the ship and then let Giggs/Pep/Klopp take over" So what's changed lads? I think LVG has steadied the ship and has setup a solid foundation which is a big difference from when Moyes was here, we were a fecking laughing stock!
I'm happy with LVG, yes he's spent money but look how many players have left and needed replacing. We are 1 or 2 signings away from being a force again but that doesn't mean we can't win anything with this team.
Rant over.
What do you expect him to say? "Yeah Rooney's shite at the mo but what can I do?" Both Robben and Muller have supposedly commented on the utd interest for Muller, its not like they aint trying behind the scenesHe's actually deluded if he thinks we don't need another striker. I honestly can't see us winning anything with him in charge.
Playing this type of football???????? We've lost our identity trying to play this possession based football where we have 70% of the ball but create nothing. Newcastle came to OT and parked the bus knowing that we couldn't go through them and when the full backs cannot cross or find a man in the box the result is a spectacle like yesterday described by LVG as "fantastic" and by the rest of us (including Paul Scholes) as dire.Some sense spoken at last! I agree with you Will. We are 2 players away from being a real force. 2 special front players though.
No it hasn't. Every man and his dog have been saying this year we should be challenging.I think the greatest trick him and Moyes have achieved here is to lower our expectations such that we genuinely believe thats just how good enough we are.
Its become common practise to claim that this season will be a satisfactory one ''as long as we make top 4''...at United?
That has been achieved by both managers complaining about not having 'x and y' players, which is then used to explain our poor perfomances...in a way it shields the manager himself from greater scrutiny, and thats a shame.
Get a hold of your fecking self."Fantastic, We don't need another striker, Philosophy, Match Rhythm" - all a load of crap. This guy needs to get his shit together as because the football he is producing is like watching paint dry. I am not convinced that if things don't improve in the next 4 weeks that you won't see immense pressure coming to be on LVG. It is one thing being short and condescending with the press when you are performing well but if results go against you, with this brand of football, they will crucify him.
We will be reasonably competitive this season, because we won't ship a lot of goals. If we keep De Gea and he is focused, I'd go as far as saying we will have the best defensive unit in the league.Some people are going way over the top. We haven't hit our stride yet, but there's clearly a good team in there somewhere.
Not strictly true, aside from 03/04 and the following season, fergies teams average over 2 goals per game.Well in his final years at United, Fergie couldn't break down parked buses too. In fact, United haven't been able to break down parked buses since 2008! So leave LVG alone1!!1111!
at least i think that's how it goes
If by those 2 players being messi and ronaldo then I agree completely!Some sense spoken at last! I agree with you Will. We are 2 players away from being a real force. 2 special front players though.
I don't even know where to begin.......Playing this type of football???????? We've lost our identity trying to play this possession based football where we have 70% of the ball but create nothing. Newcastle came to OT and parked the bus knowing that we couldn't go through them and when the full backs cannot cross or find a man in the box the result is a spectacle like yesterday described by LVG as "fantastic" and by the rest of us (including Paul Scholes) as dire.
Just realised how much sense this makes, rather than sticking with what worked last year he's gone back with his original ideas, he is still lacking that perfect no.10 though and now his main no.9 still hasn't found form.He is repeating too many of the same mistakes that he made last year.
Insistence on two central attackers instead of just one and having a proper 4-3-3.
Refusal to drop a woefully out of form forward.
Baffling lack of playing time for Herrera.
Big problems last season and our team was transformed when he was forced into resolving them. Extremely worrying that he is making them all over again, makes it seem like he just stumbled onto an effective system last year and doesn't understand why it worked better than his preferred tactics.
I guess you missed the part where he pulled out of the pedro deal and said we don't need anymore players ?Some sense spoken at last! I agree with you Will. We are 2 players away from being a real force. 2 special front players though.
And you don't think that the players available are a reason for the tactics?Not strictly true, aside from 03/04 and the following season, fergies teams average over 2 goals per game.
Moyes team averaged 1.67
Lvg last season dropped to 1.63 and this season so far 0.67
It's not just the players, it's something about the tactics or instructions that they receive from the coach
Exactly. I was worried it will be another boring season, but the last 2 games have shown very obvious progression.Possession football is great, and since the opening day, there has been only improvement towards the attacking front. Having a clinical finisher would have had us won all games comfortbaly. Even then, it's a decent start. If we continued playing like we did on the opening day, I 'd have been more concerned. But nothing now.
No I don'tAnd you don't think that the players available are a reason for the tactics?
When your defense is inexperienced and prone to panic attacks while your midfield is as protective as a satin nightie on a battlefield, you don't attack like a mad man, even less when your attack is pretty efficient.
Now our problem is different we have a solid defense, a solid and controlling midfield but our attackers are new as a group, they have barely played together, they will need time to play like we all expect.
And I still believe that LVG will win nothing with us, but he will give a real team to his successor, a team that will have the quality to dominate for a long time.
How many games these four players have played together in those roles?No I don't
Only depay is a new attacker..
I think the greatest trick him and Moyes have achieved here is to lower our expectations such that we genuinely believe thats just how good enough we are.
Its become common practise to claim that this season will be a satisfactory one ''as long as we make top 4''...at United?
That has been achieved by both managers complaining about not having 'x and y' players, which is then used to explain our poor perfomances...in a way it shields the manager himself from greater scrutiny, and thats a shame.
As far as I'm concerned, I don't see how in the long term this team will be able to sustain a serious title challenge (I could be totally wrong and I hope I am) so top 4 is still my goal as a fan.No it hasn't. Every man and his dog have been saying this year we should be challenging.