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My assessment is based on seven years.Hopefully LVG assess him not on one game like you guys but over the next 3 or 4
My assessment is based on seven years.Hopefully LVG assess him not on one game like you guys but over the next 3 or 4
So there is no chance that he will find top form again?My assessment is based on seven years.
Considering that he has been poor for the majority of his time here, I doubt it. How many more years do you think he should get?So there is no chance that he will find top form again?
I'm not saying he should get another 4 years I'm saying there is a good chance he finds his best form under LVG and that he should be judged by LVG over the next 2-3 weeks and not after the 1st gameConsidering that he has been poor for the majority of his time here, I doubt it. How many more years do you think he should get?
A good chance? Based on what?I'm not saying he should get another 4 years I'm saying there is a good chance he finds his best form under LVG and that he should be judged by LVG over the next 2-3 weeks and not after the 1st game
Because unless Nani is taking on five players and smashing the ball in from 30 yards on his weaker foot, people aren't interested in what he's actually offering to the side. He's a player that draws the opposition in and one that likes to move the ball quickly. He did that well yesterday but didn't get many chances in front of goal, mainly because his movement in behind is shite. But then again, he's not a striker.I thought he did ok. Kept things simple and passed the ball well. The through ball to Kagawa was beautifully weighted. Not sure why that particular performance deserves criticism?
Well, that's not true. I'm probably one of the most critical people on here when it comes to Nani and if he had put in more performances like the other night I wouldn't have been on his case anything like as much as I have been. If anything, it was a good example of why he doesn't need to take five players on and score 30 yard screamers to be an effective player for us. Just a pity he's usually far more careless with the ball and ineffective than he was on Wednesday night.Because unless Nani is taking on five players and smashing the ball in from 30 yards on his weaker foot, people aren't interested in what he's actually offering to the side. He's a player that draws the opposition in and one that likes to move the ball quickly. He did that well yesterday but didn't get many chances in front of goal, mainly because his movement in behind is shite. But then again, he's not a striker.
But when was the last time he had a consistent run in the side? He can be a frustrating player because he tries things and more often than not they don't come off. It's frustrating because we have seen what he is capable of when he's on form, but how on earth is he able to reach them heights when he's not playing week in, week out? Even when he's frustrating, he's dangerous and he usually creates at least something but patience is needed, something many people don't have.Well, that's not true. I'm probably one of the most critical people on here when it comes to Nani and if he had put in more performances like the other night I wouldn't have been on his case anything like as much as I have been. If anything, it was a good example of why he doesn't need to take five players on and score 30 yard screamers to be an effective player for us. Just a pity he's usually far more careless with the ball and ineffective than he was on Wednesday night.
On the first point, I think it's a dangerous precedent to pick a player regularly unless he's showing you something in training and/or sub appearances. It's just the life of a footballer.But when was the last time he had a consistent run in the side? He can be a frustrating player because he tries things and more often than not they don't come off. It's frustrating because we have seen what he is capable of when he's on form, but how on earth is he able to reach them heights when he's not playing week in, week out? Even when he's frustrating, he's dangerous and he usually creates at least something but patience is needed, something many people don't have.
Anyway, reverting back to the original point; Nani put in quite a few performances similar to the one vs LA, last season when he played, and many were still critical. Whether you can pick out the good from the bad is a point specifically based on your ability to analyse a performance, but the vast majority regarding Nani are not interested unless he's producing the spectacular week in, week out; whether he's been frustrating or just merely solid, which was my point.
Without a doubt, which is exactly the reason why it's unlikely that Nani will ever return to his best. However, as you say, it's not as if playing Nani would be at the expense of other, in form attacking talent. Would he have been worth the risk for a few games? I'd have probably said last season was the best chance he was going to get had it not been for the managerial circumstance. I agree also, there were many "Nani-esque" performances but from what i saw, there were also several similar performances to the one the other night; his cameo vs Liverpool and a couple of others towards the back end of the season from memory.On the first point, I think it's a dangerous precedent to pick a player regularly unless he's showing you something in training and/or sub appearances. It's just the life of a footballer.
As to the second, I don't think he did put in many performances like this one (or like in the Ireland friendly pre-WC) last season. I thought he put in a lot of what I would consider trademark Nani performances: some good things, some brilliant things, a lot of losing the ball and quite a few decisions that ranged from bad to outright baffling. To my mind Nani hasn't been 'solid' all that often. It's usually either brilliant, not very good but does something decisive, or just plain old not very good. Given where we were with our wingers last season I'd probably have started him for a good run of games to try get either of the first two types of performances out of him, but I can certainly see why an under pressure manager might be put off by the things Nani does at times.
Who knows. Might be, might not play better soon. Just needs games like everyone elseA good chance? Based on what?
Also, I don't believe anyone is judging him on one game. He will get his opportunity to impress.
No it's not. You refuse to accept black and white facts, if you can't do that then you can't rate someone whilst being taken serious.My assessment is based on seven years.
Exactly. Whenever he had the ball, he was alright, but he had barely any influence in this match and was, pretty much, invisible. It didn't help that our midfield lost control of the match in the 2nd half once Cleverley left, but still, Nani could have been more influential given he was one of the front 3 with Chicharito and Will Keane.Thought what he did was fine but was too quiet, simply not enough. Needed to get on the ball more.
I really wish people were just fecking consistent when rating players. Nani is the only winger at United who gets slagged with regards to being "inconsistent".On the first point, I think it's a dangerous precedent to pick a player regularly unless he's showing you something in training and/or sub appearances. It's just the life of a footballer.
As to the second, I don't think he did put in many performances like this one (or like in the Ireland friendly pre-WC) last season. I thought he put in a lot of what I would consider trademark Nani performances: some good things, some brilliant things, a lot of losing the ball and quite a few decisions that ranged from bad to outright baffling. To my mind Nani hasn't been 'solid' all that often. It's usually either brilliant, not very good but does something decisive, or just plain old not very good. Given where we were with our wingers last season I'd probably have started him for a good run of games to try get either of the first two types of performances out of him, but I can certainly see why an under pressure manager might be put off by the things Nani does at times.
His passing was good, but like the rest of our attack in the 2nd half, wasn't able to get involved enough.
Him being quiet is the problem, he was the senior player in that attack, he should have come looking for the ball rather than waiting for it, it is exactly what Cleverley is getting unfairly pilloried for in his thread right now when Nani was an empty shirt todayThought what he did was fine but was too quiet, simply not enough. Needed to get on the ball more.
Well no, Cleverley is getting pulled up on losing the ball in dangerous areas when he's playing the deepest midfielder role and for what he actually did do on the pitch being completely under par.Him being quiet is the problem, he was the senior player in that attack, he should have come looking for the ball rather than waiting for it, it is exactly what Cleverley is getting unfairly pilloried for in his thread right now when Nani was an empty shirt today
7 seasons, 2 of which he was one of the best wingers around, 2 where he was developping from a youngster into a very good winger and then 2 where he was constantly injured... But yes, 6 years of pointlessness, sure. Completely ignore how he was our best player pretty much between 2010-2012.It's beyond embarrassing he is still here after 6 years of pointlessness. We are supposed to be the biggest club in the world.
People have funny memories, don't they?7 seasons, 2 of which he was one of the best wingers around, 2 where he was developping from a youngster into a very good winger and then 2 where he was constantly injured... But yes, 6 years of pointlessness, sure. Completely ignore how he was our best player pretty much between 2010-2012.
Really strange post.It's beyond embarrassing he is still here after 6 years of pointlessness. We are supposed to be the biggest club in the world.
He's really not. Name one other big cub he'd get games at?Really strange post.
Its embarrassing that one of the more talented players in the squad is still here. Okay then
Last season which were his best performances ? Just curious thats all7 seasons, 2 of which he was one of the best wingers around, 2 where he was developping from a youngster into a very good winger and then 2 where he was constantly injured... But yes, 6 years of pointlessness, sure. Completely ignore how he was our best player pretty much between 2010-2012.
Perhaps it's LvG thinking, quick go grab a goal. Nani is decent on pens as well.Harsh sub.
All except a handful of the very top onesHe's really not. Name one other big cub he'd get games at?