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YesDo you honestly think Rashford is the better striker?
YesDo you honestly think Rashford is the better striker?
That's controversial but Rashford could be the most obvious answer, his current records as a striker is comparable to Lukaku's while not having as much opportunities when it comes to minutes playing +2500 as a striker in the league could easily lead him to +15 goals. It may seem meaningless but it's important for players to actually play big minutes in a certain position/role and I wouldn't be surprised if he surpasses Lukaku's average output in the league. For me the pertinent question would be, who can provide 10-15 goals from the right wing?Where are the realistic and upgrade worthy potential replacements?
Poulsen and Haller might be the best options if we want a partner for Rashford/Martial. Might also perhaps consider Belfodil. All are strong in the air with good link up play and would be suitable foils for our current forwards.Where are the realistic and upgrade worthy potential replacements?
Fully agree. It’s not just his first touch though, his 2nd and 3rd aren’t great either. Neither is his head, which is obviously somewhere else, as the ball seems oblivious to that part of his body also. Italy will suit him, Pasta Sell By Date.Not using him as a scapegoat aside, his first touch is absolutely atrocious and needs to play in a certain way to be of use to us. Given his post match comments he can pack his bags and leave for all i care.
Good post.I'm surprisingly very impressed with Ole if he is showing Lukaku the door.
The first thing Klopp did in his summer transfer window was to flog Benteke who's stock was still relatively high at that time. It didn't matter that Sturridge had injury worries and his form was problematic. I didn't matter that he didn't get a centre forward signed. It didn't matter that on paper he'd weakened the CF position.
He moved Firmino central who was far more suited to his system and changed the shape to accommodate a more fluid style.
Irrespective of who we bring in getting rid of Lukaku needs to be a priority whilst his value is still decent. Whether we only have Rashford, Martial and Greenwood that can play centrally is somewhat secondary to having a clear identity and strategy in my view.
Benteke wasn't injured all the time. He missed 5 league games due to injury after Klopp too over. He played in all league games except 1.Yeah, let's sell a player who is a born goal scorer! The guy has scored nearly 200 goals for club and country and is only 26.
How many career goals do Messi and Ronaldo have? And they are how old!
Let's all get brainwashed in this young British mantra the board and Ole are trying to sell us!
What the hell do people want?
Somebody said that Klopp sold Benteke in the peak of his form, no he didn't, he was injured half the time. And has it not occured to anyone that Klopp might be a 10 times better manager than Ole!
Who's mad?Imagine calling him a donkey for two years and then getting mad when he implies he wants to leave.
Indeed!! the thing we have lacked the most is an identity since Sir Alex retired. We had it somewhat under LvG but it was so boring and none of his signings made much sense to the system either, like di Maria being more direct, dribbler was never going to suit a possession based team.I'm surprisingly very impressed with Ole if he is showing Lukaku the door.
The first thing Klopp did in his summer transfer window was to flog Benteke who's stock was still relatively high at that time. It didn't matter that Sturridge had injury worries and his form was problematic. I didn't matter that he didn't get a centre forward signed. It didn't matter that on paper he'd weakened the CF position.
He moved Firmino central who was far more suited to his system and changed the shape to accommodate a more fluid style.
Irrespective of who we bring in getting rid of Lukaku needs to be a priority whilst his value is still decent. Whether we only have Rashford, Martial and Greenwood that can play centrally is somewhat secondary to having a clear identity and strategy in my view.
He'll smash Italy.Am I missing something, is Italy still not a slower, more technical style of football?
ie the opposite of what would suit him?
There isnt anyone who is good enough apart from Skriniar but he signed new contract and don't want to leave. Icardi is good goal scorer but not the player you want in the team.Any good forwards on Inter that could be part of a swap?
Except no one's mad. Oh, and he is a donkey.Imagine calling him a donkey for two years and then getting mad when he implies he wants to leave.
I just don’t think there is a need for players to come out to the public and start blabbering about how they still have contract with the current club but yet still mentioning about moving away.Harsh. I don't see him disrespecting the club in anything that he's said. Everybody and their dog knows that he's no longer first choice, so fair play to him wanting to move somewhere else for that role (and almost certainly taking a paycut as I can't see Inter paying him as much as us). He's always made it obvious throughout his career that he doesn't want to only be a squad player.
If he starts trying to put pressure on us to accept low bids, then there will be issues. But for now it's fine.
He is not taking paycut. It's just 1 journalist getting mixed up with gross and net wages.Harsh. I don't see him disrespecting the club in anything that he's said. Everybody and their dog knows that he's no longer first choice, so fair play to him wanting to move somewhere else for that role (and almost certainly taking a paycut as I can't see Inter paying him as much as us). He's always made it obvious throughout his career that he doesn't want to only be a squad player.
If he starts trying to put pressure on us to accept low bids, then there will be issues. But for now it's fin
By being fairly fat and useless last season, he's pressuring us to accept low bids.Harsh. I don't see him disrespecting the club in anything that he's said. Everybody and their dog knows that he's no longer first choice, so fair play to him wanting to move somewhere else for that role (and almost certainly taking a paycut as I can't see Inter paying him as much as us). He's always made it obvious throughout his career that he doesn't want to only be a squad player.
If he starts trying to put pressure on us to accept low bids, then there will be issues. But for now it's fine.
I do agree but the massive game changer is we probably quite fancy shipping him out. Whereas they didn't with perisicIt's pay back time, Inter tried to sell us 29 years old Perisic for $50mil pound.
Lukaku is a 26 years old striker who have much better stats in scoring goals compared to Perisic.
Hope the club ask for minimum of $50mil for Lukaku with condition that Inter must also take Sanchez from us who is actually can be quite useful in Seria A. Win Win.
Doesn't help when you have a defensive coach as your manager. The fact is, Mourinho tried to turn him into something he wasn't, a Didier Drogba! His fitness has also lacked because of it!Benteke wasn't injured all the time. He missed 5 league games due to injury after Klopp too over. He played in all league games except 1.
So just because Klopp is better manager than Ole means he shouldn't try to build the team and accept whoever are in the team?
Born goal scorer who scored 12 league goals in 2130 mins (177 mins per goal) and went on a run of 9 games and 8 games without scoring a goal this season. Lukaku isnt a born goal scorer, he is a good player who scores decent number of goals but doesn't contribute much when he isn't scoring (apart form odd games where he makes a brilliant pass)
Martial playing as a winger contributed to as many goals as Lukaku, playing 500 mins less. Even last season Martial had better mins per Goals + assists and he was playing as a winger. For a player who is leading the line for Manutd, you expect him to score more than 16 and 12 league goals when his game is limited and doesn't offer much.
I really like the look of him myself, I think it would take a huge fee to take him away from Milan now.If we sign Piatek I sign up for a season ticket.
He runs less than any other player in the team, but he had always given his best? How do you measure that exactly?People here have always been unfairly harsh on Lukaku, he has always given his best to the club and has been a consistent source of quality in a team lacking alot of it
Belgium have superb creators and also play against poor teams, that's like ManUtd playing against league 1/2 teams. His best season came under Koeman. Under Martinez he scored 15, 10, 18 goals (averaging 14 goals per season)Doesn't help when you have a defensive coach as your manager. The fact is, Mourinho tried to turn him into something he wasn't, a Didier Drogba! His fitness has also lacked because of it!
Funny how an attacking coach in Roberto Martinez gets the best out of him at Belgium and when he was at Everton!
But hey, each to their own devices. We might replace him with a Haller! The new Duncan Ferguson! Or we might not replace him at all, and we will be stuck with Rashford up top. The guy who only hit double figures for the first time last season!
Myself, I'd rather see Martial up top than Rashford!
I doubt many top clubs want a striker who can't control a ball and pay 70+ mil on top(yes, we did). I reckon at Inter he'll follow the same pattern of scoring in patches and silently dominating when he doesn't score, like he's done with West Brom/Everton and now at United.What I don't get is why Inter are the only interested club? Bayern (lewandoski getting on) PSG (Cavani replacement) Juve, Real (went for a teenager instead), Chelsea? Is he not rated in the continent?
He is rated as a decent player like Dzeko, ambitious clubs won't spend the amount of money that United may want.What I don't get is why Inter are the only interested club? Bayern (lewandoski getting on) PSG (Cavani replacement) Juve, Real (went for a teenager instead), Chelsea? Is he not rated in the continent?
Completly agree. I’m not a fan of Lukuku at all, but absoubtly respected his journey to Utd. He showed determination and desire to be the best player he could be. That’s all gone. He’s so lazy, shows no desire on the pitch, is not a team player and his fitness is absoubtly shocking.He runs less than any other player in the team, but he had always given his best? How do you measure that exactly?
And he had rarely been a consistent anything for United. In fact, he was pretty much the opposite — a player prone to have series of numerous good/bad games in a row, where he either scored every chance or made us look like we’re playing with a man down.
Weird post. I don’t have anything against him, but the lack of dedication/workrate and consistency on the pitch are pretty much his biggest weaknesses.
say what nowPeople here have always been unfairly harsh on Lukaku, he has always given his best to the club and has been a consistent source of quality in a team lacking alot of it
Exactly. Not top top tier striker, not worth the money United want for him. Inter's interest in the first place is down to ConteHe is rated as a decent player like Dzeko, ambitious clubs won't spend the amount of money that United may want.
It is not unfair at all if we plan to make him our main number 9.Belgium have superb creators and also play against poor teams, that's like ManUtd playing against league 1/2 teams. His best season came under Koeman. Under Martinez he scored 15, 10, 18 goals (averaging 14 goals per season)
Re Rashford scoring more than 10 goals for the first time, it's unfair to place so much expectation on the player who was playing as a winger and barely played as a CF. 2018-19 was the first season he got run of games as CF.
I meant questioning his goal scoring record when he was playing as winger.It is not unfair at all if we plan to make him our main number 9.
He wasn't though. More a left forward than winger. Scoring goals is essential in that position.I meant questioning his goal scoring record when he was playing as winger.
Yeah, in Jose's team CF was averaging 14 league goals per season but somehow winger who was in and out of the team should have scored more then 10 league goals. That was realistic expectation.He wasn't though. More a left forward than winger. Scoring goals is essential in that position.
The problem is that people tend to overestimate the amount of goals that Lukaku scores, they base everything on that one season who is at the moment an outlier which was an obvious possibility since he scored 7 of his goals in two games.Yeah, in Jose's team CF was averaging 14 league goals per season but somehow winger who was in and out of the team should have scored more then 10 league goals. That was realistic expectation.
Also no, Rashford wasn't more of a forward than winger. With the way we played, they were much deeper and relied on long ball to Lukaku.
Exactly. That 25 goals a season was exception rather than rule, he averages around 15 league goals and that's what we saw at ManUtd too.The problem is that people tend to overestimate the amount of goals that Lukaku scores, they base everything on that one season who is at the moment an outlier which was an obvious possibility since he scored 7 of his goals in two games.
Even though Lukaku and Martial have big question marks over their heads, they are somehow close to Lukaku when it comes to goals and assists which is crazy when you consider that in Mourinho's system the attack was built around him.