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Where are the realistic and upgrade worthy potential replacements?
That's controversial but Rashford could be the most obvious answer, his current records as a striker is comparable to Lukaku's while not having as much opportunities when it comes to minutes playing +2500 as a striker in the league could easily lead him to +15 goals. It may seem meaningless but it's important for players to actually play big minutes in a certain position/role and I wouldn't be surprised if he surpasses Lukaku's average output in the league. For me the pertinent question would be, who can provide 10-15 goals from the right wing?
 

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Is this quote real? It's almost so blatant it seems fake.

Fingers crossed he fecks off to Italy, the fecking wardrobe.
 

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Where are the realistic and upgrade worthy potential replacements?
Poulsen and Haller might be the best options if we want a partner for Rashford/Martial. Might also perhaps consider Belfodil. All are strong in the air with good link up play and would be suitable foils for our current forwards.

If we want a new first choice #9, that's a little bit trickier. Maybe Piatek, Zapata, Milik.
 

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Not using him as a scapegoat aside, his first touch is absolutely atrocious and needs to play in a certain way to be of use to us. Given his post match comments he can pack his bags and leave for all i care.
Fully agree. It’s not just his first touch though, his 2nd and 3rd aren’t great either. Neither is his head, which is obviously somewhere else, as the ball seems oblivious to that part of his body also. Italy will suit him, Pasta Sell By Date.

Need a serious replacement though.
 

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I'm surprisingly very impressed with Ole if he is showing Lukaku the door.

The first thing Klopp did in his summer transfer window was to flog Benteke who's stock was still relatively high at that time. It didn't matter that Sturridge had injury worries and his form was problematic. I didn't matter that he didn't get a centre forward signed. It didn't matter that on paper he'd weakened the CF position.

He moved Firmino central who was far more suited to his system and changed the shape to accommodate a more fluid style.

Irrespective of who we bring in getting rid of Lukaku needs to be a priority whilst his value is still decent. Whether we only have Rashford, Martial and Greenwood that can play centrally is somewhat secondary to having a clear identity and strategy in my view.
Good post.

Also posts on why he is moved on first before others like Rojo, Sanchez. Club can only sell when other clubs are interested in signing them and players wants to leave.

There is no order in offloading players.
 

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Yeah, let's sell a player who is a born goal scorer! The guy has scored nearly 200 goals for club and country and is only 26.
How many career goals do Messi and Ronaldo have? And they are how old!
Let's all get brainwashed in this young British mantra the board and Ole are trying to sell us!
What the hell do people want?
Somebody said that Klopp sold Benteke in the peak of his form, no he didn't, he was injured half the time. And has it not occured to anyone that Klopp might be a 10 times better manager than Ole!
Benteke wasn't injured all the time. He missed 5 league games due to injury after Klopp too over. He played in all league games except 1.

So just because Klopp is better manager than Ole means he shouldn't try to build the team and accept whoever are in the team?

Born goal scorer who scored 12 league goals in 2130 mins (177 mins per goal) and went on a run of 9 games and 8 games without scoring a goal this season. Lukaku isnt a born goal scorer, he is a good player who scores decent number of goals but doesn't contribute much when he isn't scoring (apart form odd games where he makes a brilliant pass)

Martial playing as a winger contributed to as many goals as Lukaku, playing 500 mins less. Even last season Martial had better mins per Goals + assists and he was playing as a winger. For a player who is leading the line for Manutd, you expect him to score more than 16 and 12 league goals when his game is limited and doesn't offer much.
 

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Imagine calling him a donkey for two years and then getting mad when he implies he wants to leave.
 

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I'm surprisingly very impressed with Ole if he is showing Lukaku the door.

The first thing Klopp did in his summer transfer window was to flog Benteke who's stock was still relatively high at that time. It didn't matter that Sturridge had injury worries and his form was problematic. I didn't matter that he didn't get a centre forward signed. It didn't matter that on paper he'd weakened the CF position.

He moved Firmino central who was far more suited to his system and changed the shape to accommodate a more fluid style.

Irrespective of who we bring in getting rid of Lukaku needs to be a priority whilst his value is still decent. Whether we only have Rashford, Martial and Greenwood that can play centrally is somewhat secondary to having a clear identity and strategy in my view.
Indeed!! the thing we have lacked the most is an identity since Sir Alex retired. We had it somewhat under LvG but it was so boring and none of his signings made much sense to the system either, like di Maria being more direct, dribbler was never going to suit a possession based team.
So hopefully this is the start of Ole knowing the system he wants to play and implements it with getting rid of anyone who he doesn't see fit into it and bringing in, or playing players in positions to fit his way of playing.
 

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Any good forwards on Inter that could be part of a swap?
There isnt anyone who is good enough apart from Skriniar but he signed new contract and don't want to leave. Icardi is good goal scorer but not the player you want in the team.

It's better to get cash deal.
 

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Klopp analogy is all good as long it works. The same club tried to sell Alonso and replace him with Barry. Just 2 sides of the coin.

Ofcourse we can stay positive and hope that it will work. While in reality, whatever we have done in the last 5 years has made things worse.
 

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It's pay back time, Inter tried to sell us 29 years old Perisic for $50mil pound.

Lukaku is a 26 years old striker who have much better stats in scoring goals compared to Perisic.

Hope the club ask for minimum of $50mil for Lukaku with condition that Inter must also take Sanchez from us who is actually can be quite useful in Seria A. Win Win.
 

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I would be well pissed off if we took less than we paid for Lukaku. He might not be flavor of the month at Old Trafford but he has scored plenty of goals in the last 2 years, is dominating the international scene and is in his prime. We should be looking for a profit if we are selling because no way any other club lets him go cheap.
 

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Harsh. I don't see him disrespecting the club in anything that he's said. Everybody and their dog knows that he's no longer first choice, so fair play to him wanting to move somewhere else for that role (and almost certainly taking a paycut as I can't see Inter paying him as much as us). He's always made it obvious throughout his career that he doesn't want to only be a squad player.

If he starts trying to put pressure on us to accept low bids, then there will be issues. But for now it's fine.
I just don’t think there is a need for players to come out to the public and start blabbering about how they still have contract with the current club but yet still mentioning about moving away.

If you are a player respecting the club, just keep it within the club and settle it internally.
 

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Harsh. I don't see him disrespecting the club in anything that he's said. Everybody and their dog knows that he's no longer first choice, so fair play to him wanting to move somewhere else for that role (and almost certainly taking a paycut as I can't see Inter paying him as much as us). He's always made it obvious throughout his career that he doesn't want to only be a squad player.

If he starts trying to put pressure on us to accept low bids, then there will be issues. But for now it's fin
He is not taking paycut. It's just 1 journalist getting mixed up with gross and net wages.

Inter are 5-6 million net wages to Dzeko, they will easily pay 7-8 million net for Lukaku.
 

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Harsh. I don't see him disrespecting the club in anything that he's said. Everybody and their dog knows that he's no longer first choice, so fair play to him wanting to move somewhere else for that role (and almost certainly taking a paycut as I can't see Inter paying him as much as us). He's always made it obvious throughout his career that he doesn't want to only be a squad player.

If he starts trying to put pressure on us to accept low bids, then there will be issues. But for now it's fine.
By being fairly fat and useless last season, he's pressuring us to accept low bids.
 

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It's pay back time, Inter tried to sell us 29 years old Perisic for $50mil pound.

Lukaku is a 26 years old striker who have much better stats in scoring goals compared to Perisic.

Hope the club ask for minimum of $50mil for Lukaku with condition that Inter must also take Sanchez from us who is actually can be quite useful in Seria A. Win Win.
I do agree but the massive game changer is we probably quite fancy shipping him out. Whereas they didn't with perisic
 

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Benteke wasn't injured all the time. He missed 5 league games due to injury after Klopp too over. He played in all league games except 1.

So just because Klopp is better manager than Ole means he shouldn't try to build the team and accept whoever are in the team?

Born goal scorer who scored 12 league goals in 2130 mins (177 mins per goal) and went on a run of 9 games and 8 games without scoring a goal this season. Lukaku isnt a born goal scorer, he is a good player who scores decent number of goals but doesn't contribute much when he isn't scoring (apart form odd games where he makes a brilliant pass)

Martial playing as a winger contributed to as many goals as Lukaku, playing 500 mins less. Even last season Martial had better mins per Goals + assists and he was playing as a winger. For a player who is leading the line for Manutd, you expect him to score more than 16 and 12 league goals when his game is limited and doesn't offer much.
Doesn't help when you have a defensive coach as your manager. The fact is, Mourinho tried to turn him into something he wasn't, a Didier Drogba! His fitness has also lacked because of it!
Funny how an attacking coach in Roberto Martinez gets the best out of him at Belgium and when he was at Everton!
But hey, each to their own devices. We might replace him with a Haller! The new Duncan Ferguson! Or we might not replace him at all, and we will be stuck with Rashford up top. The guy who only hit double figures for the first time last season!
Myself, I'd rather see Martial up top than Rashford!
 

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People here have always been unfairly harsh on Lukaku, he has always given his best to the club and has been a consistent source of quality in a team lacking alot of it, however, it is clear that we are heading in a different direction from him. We need more energy and pace from our striker which rashford provides, and we need a player with a better touch. I respect him and feel he will do really well in Italy. He's just not suited for what we want to be at the moment.
 

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People here have always been unfairly harsh on Lukaku, he has always given his best to the club and has been a consistent source of quality in a team lacking alot of it
He runs less than any other player in the team, but he had always given his best? How do you measure that exactly?

And he had rarely been a consistent anything for United. In fact, he was pretty much the opposite — a player prone to have series of numerous good/bad games in a row, where he either scored every chance or made us look like we’re playing with a man down.

Weird post. I don’t have anything against him, but the lack of dedication/workrate and consistency on the pitch are pretty much his biggest weaknesses.
 

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What I don't get is why Inter are the only interested club? Bayern (lewandoski getting on) PSG (Cavani replacement) Juve, Real (went for a teenager instead), Chelsea? Is he not rated in the continent?
 

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Doesn't help when you have a defensive coach as your manager. The fact is, Mourinho tried to turn him into something he wasn't, a Didier Drogba! His fitness has also lacked because of it!
Funny how an attacking coach in Roberto Martinez gets the best out of him at Belgium and when he was at Everton!
But hey, each to their own devices. We might replace him with a Haller! The new Duncan Ferguson! Or we might not replace him at all, and we will be stuck with Rashford up top. The guy who only hit double figures for the first time last season!
Myself, I'd rather see Martial up top than Rashford!
Belgium have superb creators and also play against poor teams, that's like ManUtd playing against league 1/2 teams. His best season came under Koeman. Under Martinez he scored 15, 10, 18 goals (averaging 14 goals per season)

Re Rashford scoring more than 10 goals for the first time, it's unfair to place so much expectation on the player who was playing as a winger and barely played as a CF. 2018-19 was the first season he got run of games as CF.
 

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What I don't get is why Inter are the only interested club? Bayern (lewandoski getting on) PSG (Cavani replacement) Juve, Real (went for a teenager instead), Chelsea? Is he not rated in the continent?
I doubt many top clubs want a striker who can't control a ball and pay 70+ mil on top(yes, we did). I reckon at Inter he'll follow the same pattern of scoring in patches and silently dominating when he doesn't score, like he's done with West Brom/Everton and now at United.
 

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What I don't get is why Inter are the only interested club? Bayern (lewandoski getting on) PSG (Cavani replacement) Juve, Real (went for a teenager instead), Chelsea? Is he not rated in the continent?
He is rated as a decent player like Dzeko, ambitious clubs won't spend the amount of money that United may want.
 
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He runs less than any other player in the team, but he had always given his best? How do you measure that exactly?

And he had rarely been a consistent anything for United. In fact, he was pretty much the opposite — a player prone to have series of numerous good/bad games in a row, where he either scored every chance or made us look like we’re playing with a man down.

Weird post. I don’t have anything against him, but the lack of dedication/workrate and consistency on the pitch are pretty much his biggest weaknesses.
Completly agree. I’m not a fan of Lukuku at all, but absoubtly respected his journey to Utd. He showed determination and desire to be the best player he could be. That’s all gone. He’s so lazy, shows no desire on the pitch, is not a team player and his fitness is absoubtly shocking.

He’s never going to be a top class striker, and I could accept that along with his limitations like his first touch and his inability to score against decent sides - if I could see him trying his best on the pitch. But he doesn’t for Utd, and that’s just not good enough.

Fellaini was a limited player, and not good enough for Utd, but every time he stepped on the pitch he gave it his all (even when playing badly or out of position) if Lukuku had that same attitude then he would be a decent player for us - but his attitude stinks.
 

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People here have always been unfairly harsh on Lukaku, he has always given his best to the club and has been a consistent source of quality in a team lacking alot of it
:lol: say what now
 

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He is rated as a decent player like Dzeko, ambitious clubs won't spend the amount of money that United may want.
Exactly. Not top top tier striker, not worth the money United want for him. Inter's interest in the first place is down to Conte
 

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Belgium have superb creators and also play against poor teams, that's like ManUtd playing against league 1/2 teams. His best season came under Koeman. Under Martinez he scored 15, 10, 18 goals (averaging 14 goals per season)

Re Rashford scoring more than 10 goals for the first time, it's unfair to place so much expectation on the player who was playing as a winger and barely played as a CF. 2018-19 was the first season he got run of games as CF.
It is not unfair at all if we plan to make him our main number 9.
 

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He wasn't though. More a left forward than winger. Scoring goals is essential in that position.
Yeah, in Jose's team CF was averaging 14 league goals per season but somehow winger who was in and out of the team should have scored more then 10 league goals. That was realistic expectation.

Also no, Rashford wasn't more of a forward than winger. With the way we played, they were much deeper and relied on long ball to Lukaku.
 

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Yeah, in Jose's team CF was averaging 14 league goals per season but somehow winger who was in and out of the team should have scored more then 10 league goals. That was realistic expectation.

Also no, Rashford wasn't more of a forward than winger. With the way we played, they were much deeper and relied on long ball to Lukaku.
The problem is that people tend to overestimate the amount of goals that Lukaku scores, they base everything on that one season who is at the moment an outlier which was an obvious possibility since he scored 7 of his goals in two games.
Even though Rashford and Martial have big question marks over their heads, they are somehow close to Lukaku when it comes to goals and assists which is crazy when you consider that in Mourinho's system the attack was built around him.
 
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The problem is that people tend to overestimate the amount of goals that Lukaku scores, they base everything on that one season who is at the moment an outlier which was an obvious possibility since he scored 7 of his goals in two games.
Even though Lukaku and Martial have big question marks over their heads, they are somehow close to Lukaku when it comes to goals and assists which is crazy when you consider that in Mourinho's system the attack was built around him.
Exactly. That 25 goals a season was exception rather than rule, he averages around 15 league goals and that's what we saw at ManUtd too.

Also yeah, Rashford and Martial both didn't get run of games too, they were in and out of the team but their goal contributions are closer to Lukaku. I didn't check again but I think Martial has better mins per G+A and he was a winger who barely got consistent starts.
 
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