[Devil81]

Look, a fit Luke Shaw is a incredible footballer, he's technically fantastic but he's got a real issue. The lad comes back from every summer totally out of shape and fitness.

This issue has been highlighted by two of our previous managers and ETH noticed it last season taking him out of the team for a period. I'd be inclined to link any muscle related injuries to poor fitness and pushing yourself beyond what your body is capable of. I remember listening to an ex pro explaining the dangers of muscle injuries playing unfit. People think you can play yourself into fitness but it's simply not good for the body to do that at such a level.

It's an issue with Shaw the club should have sorted years ago as it's unprofessional.

 

[SAF is the GOAT]

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[Pogue Mahone]

Look, a fit Luke Shaw is a incredible footballer, he's technically fantastic but he's got a real issue. The lad comes back from every summer totally out of shape and fitness.

This issue has been highlighted by two of our previous managers and ETH noticed it last season taking him out of the team for a period. I'd be inclined to link any muscle related injuries to poor fitness and pushing yourself beyond what your body is capable of. I remember listening to an ex pro explaining the dangers of muscle injuries playing unfit. People think you can play yourself into fitness but it's simply not good for the body to do that at such a level.

It's an issue with Shaw the club should have sorted years ago as it's unprofessional.

Fitness aside, it's been interesting watching Reguilon these last two games. Shaw's first touch and passing (with his left foot) is absolutely superb but seeing a left back actually try to beat his man on a regular basis is such refreshing change. Really brings it home how rarely Shaw does this.

 

[AngeloHenriquez]

Fitness aside, it's been interesting watching Reguilon these last two games. Shaw's first touch and passing (with his left foot) is absolutely superb but seeing a left back actually try to beat his man on a regular basis is such refreshing change. Really brings it home how rarely Shaw does this.

I think that's a tactical choice to support Rashford, I think Shaw has to do the dirty work to support him. It's no coincidence that Rashford looks so much better when Shaw is fit and firing.

 

[Irwin99]

I think we do miss him even though Reguilon has started well. It's just a shame we've never seen two successive seasons of outstanding form from him and probably won't this year again. Obviously he can't help being injured but as I said it's just annoying.

 

[Crimson King]

Fitness aside, it's been interesting watching Reguilon these last two games. Shaw's first touch and passing (with his left foot) is absolutely superb but seeing a left back actually try to beat his man on a regular basis is such refreshing change. Really brings it home how rarely Shaw does this.

Shaw plays fullback as if he's a midfielder. Reguilon looks much more like a traditional fullback, in the sense that he plays the position more like a winger.

Shaw is still capable of bursting past players though. We saw him get forward plenty of times last season where he'd pick the ball up and driving from deep. He'll usually look to come inside though and try to slip someone in or play a one-two on the edge of the box, rather than stay wide and hit the byline.

 

[KikiDaKats]

Fitness aside, it's been interesting watching Reguilon these last two games. Shaw's first touch and passing (with his left foot) is absolutely superb but seeing a left back actually try to beat his man on a regular basis is such refreshing change. Really brings it home how rarely Shaw does this.

I think Reguilon in these early days is showing what we expected from Telles. Hopefully it can add another dimension to us going forward in time.

 

[Marwood]

Shaw plays fullback as if he's a midfielder. Reguilon looks much more like a traditional fullback, in the sense that he plays the position more like a winger.

Shaw is still capable of bursting past players though. We saw him get forward plenty of times last season where he'd pick the ball up and driving from deep. He'll usually look to come inside though and try to slip someone in or play a one-two on the edge of the box, rather than stay wide and hit the byline.

Yeah agree.

That's part of the reason we don't score easy goals from cut backs. It's not that Shaw never gets to the byline but it's a rarity. Personally I don't think he's got the engine for it.

 

[AltiUn]

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That would be a huge blow.

 

[Darlington Padgett]

He did really well as a CB, maybe transitioning to CB will help him avoid all of those muscular injuries.

 

[Yagami]

Shaw plays fullback as if he's a midfielder. Reguilon looks much more like a traditional fullback, in the sense that he plays the position more like a winger.

Shaw is still capable of bursting past players though. We saw him get forward plenty of times last season where he'd pick the ball up and driving from deep. He'll usually look to come inside though and try to slip someone in or play a one-two on the edge of the box, rather than stay wide and hit the byline.

On this point, I've been alluding to this since he joined us. As soon as I saw him play a few games for us, I likened him to Carrick. The way he passes has always reminded me of him. It's also like having a more physically impressive Blind.

 

[jem]

My god do we miss this guy. He was pure quality last season and we really, really, really need an injection of quality into this team.

 

[sillwuka]

We miss Shaw massively and Rashford is not effective without him.

 

[Idxomer]

My god do we miss this guy. He was pure quality last season and we really, really, really need an injection of quality into this team.

I could be wrong but I don't think we had a period of good form without him in the last 5 years.

I distinctly remember how our great post-lockdown form ended after his injury against Southampton.

 

[Sunny Jim]

We miss Shaw massively and Rashford is not effective without him.

as much as i like Shaw i disagree. We miss overlaping Shaw, not inverted full back Shaw. This season, imho, Shaw has been misused by ETH

 

[Idxomer]

as much as i like Shaw i disagree. We miss overlaping Shaw, not inverted full back Shaw. This season, imho, Shaw has been misused by ETH

He only played 2 games this season and one of them he created the most chances in the team.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

He only played 2 games this season and one of them he created the most chances in the team.

That’s interesting. Which game was that?

 

[Idxomer]

That’s interesting. Which game was that?

Spurs, he had 6 key passes.

 

[philippexyz]

as much as i like Shaw i disagree. We miss overlaping Shaw, not inverted full back Shaw. This season, imho, Shaw has been misused by ETH

We miss Shaw in ball progression, retention segment. He's our most press resistant player with Lisandro, Antony and you can probably add Amrabat now to that list. And he is a threat in the final third with overlaps, technically skilled player who can find a nice pass also.

 

[jem]

I'll keep repeating it: we miss this guy immensely. Any timeline on his return?

 

[Idxomer]

I'll keep repeating it: we miss this guy immensely. Any timeline on his return?

Not before December from the banned/closed account that used to leak injury news.

 

[DJ_21]

Anyone know when he’s due back? Feels like he’s been missing forever.

 

[IrishRedDevil]

Anyone know when he’s due back? Feels like he’s been missing forever.

Another 4-6 weeks, apparently.

 

[OrcaFat]

We are missing Shaw very keenly imo. Especially in the system we’re trying to play. He is so comfortable moving into midfield.

Hope he comes back good as new. He’s had a few miserable injuries and they must take their toll.

 

[McGrathsipan]

What the hell is wrong with him

 

[El Zoido]

We are missing Shaw very keenly imo. Especially in the system we’re trying to play. He is so comfortable moving into midfield.

Hope he comes back good as new. He’s had a few miserable injuries and they must take their toll.

He might be our biggest loss right now. More than Martinez. ETH started using inverted fullbacks last season which sparked our run of great form, but the big problem is that we only really have Shaw who’s any good at it. Dalot is ok at it, AWB is clearly trying to learn the role. Shaw was massively integral to our good performances last season.

 

[SonOfFergie]

Any info on when he is back? I also think Shaw is the biggest miss currently. So crucial to our play.

 

[MadDogg]

He might be our biggest loss right now. More than Martinez. ETH started using inverted fullbacks last season which sparked our run of great form, but the big problem is that we only really have Shaw who’s any good at it. Dalot is ok at it, AWB is clearly trying to learn the role. Shaw was massively integral to our good performances last season.

Strangely though, Shaw tended to be the one who mostly stayed out wide and kept the width last season. Dalot and AWB both moved centrally more than Shaw did, Dalot into midfield and AWB in higher areas when getting near the opposition box.

 

[OrcaFat]

Strangely though, Shaw tended to be the one who mostly stayed out wide and kept the width last season. Dalot and AWB both moved centrally more than Shaw did, Dalot into midfield and AWB in higher areas when getting near the opposition box.

He can do both and looks natural while he’s doing it as well. He just a damn good footballer.

 

[Skills]

Strangely though, Shaw tended to be the one who mostly stayed out wide and kept the width last season. Dalot and AWB both moved centrally more than Shaw did, Dalot into midfield and AWB in higher areas when getting near the opposition box.

Yup. Shaw allowed Rashford to drift inside and do damage there. On the right Antony provided width, while the fullbacks inverted in.

 

[Sandikan]

Any info on when he is back? I also think Shaw is the biggest miss currently. So crucial to our play.

We started the season looking sluggish with him in there, but yes, an on form fit Shaw is definitely one of the best full backs in the league.
It's just sod's law we've had Malachia, and then even Reguillon unfit at the same time.
Plus Wan Bissaka too, meaning Dalot has to stay right.
Couldn't make it all up.

 

[RedDevil@84]

What the hell is wrong with him

Nothing. Its just Shaw.

 

[RedUnited86]

Might not be a popular opinion, but I think we can do better.

He's very neat and tidy, but there's areas he's really lacking. Defensively he ball watches a lot and gets caught on his heels, and whilst he links well going forward, he doesn't get in enough dangerous positions for me. When he first broke through at Southampton he'd get to the byline constantly, now it's something we rarely see. I don't know whether it's his injuries etc that has stopped it.

I'd like to a real marauding left-back brought in, someone that's going to want to overlap, stretch the defence on that side of the pitch and put dangerous crosses in.

 

[Marwood]

Might not be a popular opinion, but I think we can do better.

He's very neat and tidy, but there's areas he's really lacking. Defensively he ball watches a lot and gets caught on his heels, and whilst he links well going forward, he doesn't get in enough dangerous positions for me. When he first broke through at Southampton he'd get to the byline constantly, now it's something we rarely see. I don't know whether it's his injuries etc that has stopped it.

I'd like to a real marauding left-back brought in, someone that's going to want to overlap, stretch the defence on that side of the pitch and put dangerous crosses in.

I'm with you.

He is a good footballer but just physically isn't dynamic enough anymore to be a top fullback.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Might not be a popular opinion, but I think we can do better.

He's very neat and tidy, but there's areas he's really lacking. Defensively he ball watches a lot and gets caught on his heels, and whilst he links well going forward, he doesn't get in enough dangerous positions for me. When he first broke through at Southampton he'd get to the byline constantly, now it's something we rarely see. I don't know whether it's his injuries etc that has stopped it.

I'd like to a real marauding left-back brought in, someone that's going to want to overlap, stretch the defence on that side of the pitch and put dangerous crosses in.

We have already given him an extension. There is no point talking about an upgrade anymore.

 

[lex talionis]

It was reported in August that Luke suffered a "muscle injury". I'm no medical authority but three months (and counting, with no return date in sight) to recover from muscle injury seems very strange.

 

[pascell]

It was reported in August that Luke suffered a "muscle injury". I'm no medical authority but three months (and counting, with no return date in sight) to recover from muscle injury seems very strange.

I'm guessing it was a bad tear that needed surgery.

 

[Red00012]

Back After the international break hopefully

 

[bond19821982]

Our left CB .

 

[Irwin99]

Might not be a popular opinion, but I think we can do better.

He's very neat and tidy, but there's areas he's really lacking. Defensively he ball watches a lot and gets caught on his heels, and whilst he links well going forward, he doesn't get in enough dangerous positions for me. When he first broke through at Southampton he'd get to the byline constantly, now it's something we rarely see. I don't know whether it's his injuries etc that has stopped it.

I'd like to a real marauding left-back brought in, someone that's going to want to overlap, stretch the defence on that side of the pitch and put dangerous crosses in.

It depends which Luke Shaw turns up in my opinion. Last year was an outstanding season from him but his head completely went in that game against Liverpool (to be fair , most of the team did) and I just seem to have my doubts that something is always around the corner with him-be it injury, catastrophic loss of form or one or two negative comments in the press. He's been here nine years and had three very good seasons. I guess I was spoiled watching Neville, Irwin and Evra do it season in, season out for United. Even Antonio Valencia put in some pretty consistent seasons at right back under LVG and Jose. Sometimes it'd be nice to have that level where you can depend on a full back.