Haven't all our 'overhauls' been half arsed ?
Luke Shaw interview post Wolves defeat
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Think Ralf needs to get his analysts to create a dvd of all the problems, too easy to just show the good points, then sit the powers that be down and explain to them what is needed and who should be got rid of and why.
I believe he was yet another symptom rather than the cause, but he clearly lacked the authority to change things even if he wanted to. Bear in mind his comments early on about wanting United to be the hardest working team in the PL.
Makes me wonder how much say he really had. Though he didn’t seem to have any difficulty seeing off Fellaini, Lukaku and Smalling.
They all wanted to leave and there were good offers on the table for them. Look at Pogba who’s wanted to leave for years. No good offer - club isn’t going to take the hit. They’d rather keep a hold on an unhappy player for years than take the hit. Our squad turnover leaves a lot to be desired. Martial Lingard and Pogba would be gone by now from an organised club. The word for the top is keep them here and try and get them to sign new deals. Of course there’s an unhappy squad behind the scenes. We reward failure with the biggest money in the country
I said "prime Rooney". What I mean is even at his best his body fat level was probably even higher than Shaw, at least nowhere near the supermodel Ronaldo. What I disagreed was that poster using the body fat level as an indicator of intensity and efforts of a player on the pitch. In fact him/her using Ronaldo is the worst example possible for intensity and effort I'd say.
You were criticizing his intensity and efforts. You said nothing about longevity.
The rot started while Mourinho was here - he went completely batshit and was rightly fired, but prior to that the club undoubtedly erred when they chose to refuse his request to sell underperforming prima donnas Pogba/Martial/Shaw et al. The moment that happened was the moment that the players realised that they are more important than the manager at Manchester United, thereby breaking Ferguson's cardinal rule. Many on here said this at the time, much to the chagrin of the Pogba/Martial/Shaw fanclubs. Three years of chummy mates nonsense under Solskjaer haven't helped - we've been left with a squad full of lazy, entitled twats who literally refuse to carry out the manager's instructions if it involves them having to do any work.
The frustration in Rangnick's post-match interview last night was clear, but the truth is that the players know he has no authority and will be gone in five months, just as they know they can throw the next guy under the bus if they don't fancy him either.
How I wish we'd let Conte get hold of this lot (Spurs top the running charts since he took over), but, unsurprisingly, the club didn't want anyone upsetting the delicate sensibilities of our idle, privileged little divas.
The frustration in Rangnick's post-match interview last night was clear, but the truth is that the players know he has no authority and will be gone in five months, just as they know they can throw the next guy under the bus if they don't fancy him either.
How I wish we'd let Conte get hold of this lot (Spurs top the running charts since he took over), but, unsurprisingly, the club didn't want anyone upsetting the delicate sensibilities of our idle, privileged little divas.
Probably already bricking it because they know Wolves are good at keeping possession
At least DDG could come across as focused. Look at AWB. Why are they sulking like this?DDG, Mason and Shaw
How embarrassing. Defeated before a ball was kicked.
Good post this.
Thats on the midfield. Mctominay marks himself out of games better than anyone I've ever seen and we are forced to punt it up field. Still the same problems of not being able to link defence and attack, attack dropping deep to do midfielders job etc.
I actually thought we looked better in moments where Bruno dropped to 6 and McT was more advanced (box to box), at least Bruno actively wants to receive the ball. I'd look at that if I were Ralf because options to change that area of the field are limited.
Matic, McT, Fred in the 6 will continually fail us, no matter the combination.
The manager asked them to run a bit and they were dreading having to do it. I don't know what they were so worried about - none of them did any running at all.
By a lot of accounts Ole wasn't very assertive and struggled to directly talk to the players. There were stories that he wasn't telling players they needed surgery but instead had someone do it for him. I think he was too much of a nice guy to demand players leave and didn't want to rock the boat, especially given that was essentially the beginning of the end for his predecessor.
I think Ole's initial clear-out was directed at Jose's favourites and I think most of them wanted out anyways.
Look like they've just lost a final. Bloody hell
Indeed. I’m not sure Lingard wanted to leave, but maybe he would have if the club had made it clear that he had no future here.
Regarding squad turnover, I t’s not just established players either. I’m sure Sir Alex wouldn’t have hung onto Axel for so long, and the latter would be enjoying a decent career as first choice at a decent but “lesser” club here or abroad.
Because they are a bunch of mentally weak, pampered prissy little wallflowers, who all need a good rocket up the arse. Letting a severely pissed off supporter into carrington to let them know what we all think of their petty high school bullshit and substandard efforts would do the world of good. they need a dose of reality.
Greenwood has the face of a civil service worker on a Monday morning.
These players are seriously protected. The fact that MUTV do not have phone ins any longer. God help us if someone actually comes on air to criticise a player. Poor things.
There were reports that he ordered the players to wear suits to matches and they did for a bit. But they just went back to wearing the tracksuits after a while.
If that basic bit of discipline he tried to reinstall falls away, then it's clear he commanded very little authority and respect.
Yeah. Not being an arse seemed to become an end in itself for the club, rather than just an antidote to Jose’s arsiness, which he seemed to employ as a means of self-preservation rather than for the good of the team.
Thats the sort of thing that should be nipped in the bud at the first occurrence, turn up in a tracksuit after being told not to? feck off home. Same again next week? feck off home. 3rd week? A fine.
I think its very easy to look at a still image and make too much of it but that doesn't look like a bunch of players who are excited to be out there or who are bringing any energy to the field.
The reports a while back about the players being unhappy about training sessions lasting until 5pm just sums up the state of the players at this club. Piss poor mentality and clearly don't give a shit.
Spoilt rotten.
Even thats too lenient. Its a suit for christs sake. First time they do it, send them home to change. Second time they do it they are dropped and will have to earn their way back into the team. If they have so little respect for the club and manager that is paying them more in a week than 99% of us earn in a year then then can be sold for all I care. Its not a big ask.
Tuchel has shown how players should be treated with Lukaku. None of this BS that Neville is spouting about players being honest. Professionalism comes before honesty and I'm sure there are a million things we would all like to say about various aspects of our lives to various people but we don't because there are consequences and its unprofessional and rude.
No arguments from me. They all need an absolute dressing down, a swift toe capped size 11 up the arse, shape up or ship out. Pampered little princesses, the lot of them.
Sure it is getting in the way of their social life and posting on social media and their commercial work.
They always used to wear suits. It gave them some gravitas. There was a discipline about the club.
Perhaps they are having issues with their welfare
What do you mean?
Two things that are missing most, discipline and standards. Too many overgrown man children who think their opinion matters a shit. Do what you are told, or leave. end of.
Fine on day one that doubles for every recurrence.
Prefer Shaw's interview to a social media post filled with emoji's telling us we will go again blah blah.
Shaw says that some players on that pitch aren't motivated, aggressive and giving 100%. He is right. So how do you even begin to fix that.
Shaw says that some players on that pitch aren't motivated, aggressive and giving 100%. He is right. So how do you even begin to fix that.
This. The three players mentioned above all wanted to leave. That's hardly a clear out.
I have to say I noticed Greenwoods slouch and Wizzbangs stare into space.
We are not a team of players that like each other.
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This is very true even for fans who have spent years watching in person for decades. It's also true of many players. There's a telling moment in the Manchester City Amazon Prime doc where they are losing at half time to us. Some thick English player (Delph I think) is all shouty with 'It's a simple game' and 'we just have to tackle harder' and all the crap you hear on the Caf when we lose. Guardiola just turns to him and quietly says 'No it's not a simple game. It's really complicated.' And then gets out the whiteboard.
True.
To be fair to Ole, he did clear alot of the deadwood from previous regimes.
Problem is he also acquired some future deadwood.
Tellingly though, Guardiola lets him speak quite a lot. He wouldn't LET him speak if it was damaging or whatever, so there's something in it. And Guardiola has said himself that football is always the same no matter what league you are in - that vision he has for football (the Barcelona one) WORKS because it is simple. It's based around getting the ball and keeping it. Two things we can't do, despite the money we have spent, which is shambolic really.