But is this good for the bundesliga??To see 1 club win 9 championships in 10 years,or 5 titles on the trot surely isn't a great spectacle.How can any of the other German clubs EVER catch up with Bayern?I can't see it happening unless an Abramovich or a sheik Mansoor kind of a owner takes over a German club....
LVG: Man Utd is a commercial club, not like Bayern Munich.
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I'm surprised by this thread it doesn't make a all lot of sense, people are taking things personally because LVG said something.
Bayern is a multi sport club that mainly owns itself, they make money through commercial deals but it's for the club. United are a football club mainly owned by the Glazer family who bought the club in order to make money for themselves, they make the club buy himself out of the previous owners, it makes commercial deals for the owners and for the running of the club.
At the exception of pelican man, no one really thinks that Bayern are a club that doesn't make money through commercial deals, and pay players and directors with a thank you and a kiss on the cheek but they are not like United. United are comparable to an NFL franchise, it's a business for the owners.
And there is nothing wrong with any of that, as long as football isn't an afterthought which is the case at Unite where being an elite football team is a priority.
Bayern is a multi sport club that mainly owns itself, they make money through commercial deals but it's for the club. United are a football club mainly owned by the Glazer family who bought the club in order to make money for themselves, they make the club buy himself out of the previous owners, it makes commercial deals for the owners and for the running of the club.
At the exception of pelican man, no one really thinks that Bayern are a club that doesn't make money through commercial deals, and pay players and directors with a thank you and a kiss on the cheek but they are not like United. United are comparable to an NFL franchise, it's a business for the owners.
And there is nothing wrong with any of that, as long as football isn't an afterthought which is the case at Unite where being an elite football team is a priority.
I agree.
Fergie was similar when he arrived, buying and getting rid. Then he got back to basics, continuously fine tuned and defined a way of playing. But it also changed over time as philosophies get found out. I think the board made the following appointments for different reasons. Moyes was for stability - take on a winning machine, no major changes, evolve over time. Unfortunately Moyes made the classic mistake of changing what didn't need to be changed and suffered. In the end confusing everyone on the field. LVG was to rebuild the foundations as most of the backbone of the team were retiring or would be retiring soon. Bring a blend of youth and experience. I am not sure instant sucess was the plan for LVG. He had some success, but lost the fans. It was only time when someone like Jose became available. Jose is here to win trophies, not build a team. If those players have to change to keep winning I think he will be given funds. Obviously, this is only an opinion. If he doesn't win, I believe he will be gone. But it reflects a board that is not too sure what to do in the football world, even though they are exceptional in commercial world.
It's not up to Bayern to negotiate commercial deals for other clubs. If Hamburg, the club with the biggest commercial potential besides us, can't get their shit together over years and years, what are we to do? And it's not the topic of this thread either.
Just saying, for those triggered by van Gaal's comments, that of course Bayern's position in Bundesliga is that of the most commercial club. Van Gaal's comments are not good material for debate, as they're not really coherent.
Watching 2015-16 season review, absolutely shameful how LVGs team performed over the winter, kept loosing where the title was so Winnable, absolute sh!te signings (bar Martial), ended up being bang average and miserable. How he wasn’t sacked for November/December displays is beyond me.
You must be one of few people to go and seek out highlights from that season.
I remember the Southampton game clearly, helps that I was on holiday at the time. It was the first time I actually thought, you know what, we’re a mile off winning a title. Up till that point I just assumed that we would get back to winning ways once we’d got rid of Moyes and replaced some of the those ageing players from Fergie’s team.
Watching Klop and Liverpool too, he changed his entire team in a couple of years and transformed them into Winners, we still have some real problems and lack direction.
You must be a strong person. I wouldn't have the stomach to relieve that season, especially that winter. I think losing at home to Norwich might have been my post Fergie low point as a United fan. Pure vomit. I know there have been other awful games, I mean this season is full of them. However, that winter of 2015-16 was when it started sinking in how badly we'd fallen away.
This encapsulates the lack of understanding of our situation. The whole point is we have appointed managers who accept commercial decisions come first. That's why we had Ole, who accepted Ronaldo (for example). That's why we have an incoherent overpaid squad.
I don’t have the stomach either but looking at this spectacular failure and miserable team, and how Liverpool assembled a winning squad is an eye opener… hopefully they start it with picking a right manager.
He needed a DoF to get his signings he wants. He asked players like ADM, Bastian or Neymar and Ed delivered 2 of them.
There should have been someone to say that ADM don't want to come and so can we get someone else ? With better signings, he would have been successful and a better game too.
Have Pep coach us with that team and it's going to the same dull football. I would blame it on the lack of a proper structure required for LVG.
There should have been someone to say that ADM don't want to come and so can we get someone else ? With better signings, he would have been successful and a better game too.
Have Pep coach us with that team and it's going to the same dull football. I would blame it on the lack of a proper structure required for LVG.
I looked up "butt hurt" and there was a picture of LVG
Sometimes I think Van Gaal was a worse appointment than OIe. Or Moyes.
I probably remember LVG's tenure far more positively than I should as it was often downright awful at the time. I think what I appreciated was him streamlining the squad and giving space for the youth to play a utility role (even if only Rashford and Lingard stuck around long term). At the time, I was really disappointed we sold the likes of the Da Silva twins, Welbeck, Cleverley and co as I thought they were the future of this club. Hindsight has proven him right though. We now seem to keep players around too long, so the ruthlessness and squad churn of that era seems wise in comparison to now. Liverpool especially seem to do this well; if ultimately they won't be good enough, the youngsters are sold while they're highly rated and have decent market value.
Overall, LVG was poor for us. Doesn't mean he got it all wrong, however. Both he and Mourinho referred to a focus on commercialism rather than football at United and they were so true. I hope we sort this out and have a stronger, more united footballing vision/philosophy/structure.
Overall, LVG was poor for us. Doesn't mean he got it all wrong, however. Both he and Mourinho referred to a focus on commercialism rather than football at United and they were so true. I hope we sort this out and have a stronger, more united footballing vision/philosophy/structure.
He had no clue, he was a dinosaur
Oh that last match against Westham, Martin Tylers funeral tone when United scored twice, and when West Ham came back his voice was orgasmic. Oh fecking hate LVG for bottling this. Top 4 gone and left the club with bang average signings.
It was torture watching us in 15/16. That winter period was probably the worst football I've seen at United.
Could probably say the same for any sacked manager really.
Bitterness aside, the Bayern comparison is spot on in some ways.
United will never be as successful as Bayern despite spending as much as City in the last 10 years. Totally different cultures from head to toe. Even in the fanbase. United's board is laughable. Imagine if United were run by competent people. The potential is enormous.
Once Fergie stepped down this was inevitable.
United will never be as successful as Bayern despite spending as much as City in the last 10 years. Totally different cultures from head to toe. Even in the fanbase. United's board is laughable. Imagine if United were run by competent people. The potential is enormous.
Once Fergie stepped down this was inevitable.
Nah. Both were shite. But atleast LVG was (unintentionally or intentionally) funny in press conferences and interviews.
The difference is whether you are trying to make money above all else on a short term timescale or the right amount to keep your club successful in the long term balancing out success on the field and long term investment. Unless you are City or PSG, or Madrid or Barca before the fall, in which case you don't care how much you spend.
It's funny how some rewrite the history and say his tenure was good. 15-16 was horrendous. All the 0-0 draw were just awful to watch. I would even say he was lucky with the FA cup win. I am not a fan of Ole the manager but wish he was lucky with the draws. Not a memorable tenure at all.
That season was the last of my three years as a season ticket holder (coincided with my time at uni of and coincided with probably our worst period). I legitimately dreaded going to OT that season. If it was pouring with rain I think I gave one or two games a miss. However got tickets to the semis and the final so thank feck for that.
And he actually won a trophy.
The worst most depressing football ever.
Batshit press conferences.
Clueless signings that were past it/not even good enough/didn’t want to be here
Throwing every fit youth player in the club into the team while also spending crazy amounts of money on trasnfers
leaving us just as bad as he found us
All the shit he spouted afterwards. Pretty clear why no other big clubs were in for him again after us. He’s a loon. Likeable but the worst manager post Fergie insofar as the only thing we still use from his time here is Rashford and a scout or two and he spent far far more than Moyes.
The only time in my history as a fan where I knew there was a game on and I didn’t bother watching it or looking forward to it
Batshit press conferences.
Clueless signings that were past it/not even good enough/didn’t want to be here
Throwing every fit youth player in the club into the team while also spending crazy amounts of money on trasnfers
leaving us just as bad as he found us
All the shit he spouted afterwards. Pretty clear why no other big clubs were in for him again after us. He’s a loon. Likeable but the worst manager post Fergie insofar as the only thing we still use from his time here is Rashford and a scout or two and he spent far far more than Moyes.
The only time in my history as a fan where I knew there was a game on and I didn’t bother watching it or looking forward to it
He deserved that. And it looks that it was true United’s ex players were behind his sacking.
He was spot on and it’s still true. That’s why we signed Ronaldo instead of a midfielder.
We weren't going to sign a midfielder regardless of signing Ronaldo
Even though I liked the man, the fotball was terrible and most of his signings turned out awful.
From time to time I re-watch his interviews and press conferences, they are absolutely hilarious no matter how many times I've seen them already. It just puts a smile on my face....I mean....Mike Smalling...
On the other hand, his football was atrocious to watch there was a time when we could not hit the target in consecutive games. In derbies we were actually decent but against smaller teams we looked clueless.
His signings were mostly woeful, not to mention that he managed to make Di Maria look like an amateur player, when he shined at Madrid and afterwards at PSG.
I believe he was better than Moyes but surely worst than Ole or Jose.
About the Bayern comparison he is undoubtedly right, they are better organized than us in every footballing department.
On the other hand, his football was atrocious to watch there was a time when we could not hit the target in consecutive games. In derbies we were actually decent but against smaller teams we looked clueless.
His signings were mostly woeful, not to mention that he managed to make Di Maria look like an amateur player, when he shined at Madrid and afterwards at PSG.
I believe he was better than Moyes but surely worst than Ole or Jose.
About the Bayern comparison he is undoubtedly right, they are better organized than us in every footballing department.
Let's see how Bayern fare if 2 or 3 oil teams take over their rivals. Meaning they can't just bully almost every other club for their best players at knock off fees.
Let's see how more than just a club and all that sh!Te they are then.
Let's see how more than just a club and all that sh!Te they are then.
Jesus, the bump of this thread reminded me of all the boring 0-0s.
Just the thought of them.. His tenure was so boring, that it makes me want to climb to bed early. Drowsy stuff.
Just the thought of them.. His tenure was so boring, that it makes me want to climb to bed early. Drowsy stuff.
LvG was the absolute worst.
Disagree. If the PL had the same model as the BL, limiting control of outside investors, Utd would probably still be dominating the PL up to this day in a similar way that Bayern does. I doubt 9 or 10 in a row, but certainly every other title going our way. Any comparison between Bayern and Utd at this time is pointless. The BL model protects the status quo, the PL model uplifts anybody willing to add endless pits of money to the game. Even being managed fantastically from top to bottom would not give Utd the amount of success that Bayern has.
United‘s problems didn‘t start with mismanagement, they started with real competition. Competition, fair or not, was the only thing that was able to break the supremacy.
That actually makes it worse.
Was is Stoke away around Christmas where Depay headed it straight to one of them in our box for an assist? LVG should have been fired right after (if not before).
Van Gaal actually gave a interview to Bild in Germany a few years ago and said the hardest two years of his career were at Bayern. He also accused Uli" Hoeneß of meddling in the head coach's work.
It’s well established, indisputable actually, that Bayern are a better run club that United. I seriously doubt new information will come to light that would disprove that assertion. But it’s pretty rich that Van Gaal would show his fangs at United. His signings were ill-advised and his tactics were dreadful, less interesting to watch than sloths having sex. Everyone undersold the Moyes disaster as a one-off, but it wasn’t until Van Gaal was through with us that we became the laughingstock of a club. Thanks, Louis.
That's not Bayern's fault though.
Bayern is what United should have been if not for Abu Dhabi and Roman Abramovich, and all the FA official who lobbied to sell Newcastle to Saudi Arabia.