Because Martinez can pass and is somewhat press resistant
Maguire and Lindelof Partnership
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Sure, but Lindelöf had defended well, and Maguire has been useless. Maybe as an arial threat, I guess, but strange nonetheless.
This passage of play made me chuckle.
How did we endure such awful partnership for 2 full years ? Imagine watching a full year of their crap.
Thank god for Martinez and Varane.
Thank god for Martinez and Varane.
Both are terrible on the ball.
Maguire is such an awful footballer that this thread is unfair on Lindelöf. We are much, much worse everytime Maguire plays. Any pairing without him is ok. He’s just so slow with everything he does and still manages to do make a bad pass once he finally passes it. And obviously he’s a liability defensively.
I hope these 2 never play together again. Along with another CB they are actually OK and have strengths but together they just seem to kill the pace of the game and look like an accident waiting to happen, even against WHam who were useless going forward. They just really don't complement each other.
Sell Maguire and Bailly, put the money towards Min Jae from Napoli. Give Lindelof one more season, if he's still garbage, bin him off too.
It's one or the other plus Martinez/Varane. They're both decent squad players that play better alongside someone who covers their weaknesses.
That first half brought back a lot of memories, not so much about their defending but more the use of the ball: square passes, slow tempo, no help from the midfield either so it's not entirely their fault. I just don't want to ever see that partnership again
That first half brought back a lot of memories, not so much about their defending but more the use of the ball: square passes, slow tempo, no help from the midfield either so it's not entirely their fault. I just don't want to ever see that partnership again
Sell whichever of the two will raise the most revenue and reinvest in a young promising LCB
Couple that with the Fred/McTominay partnership and easy to see why games were just awful to watch.
Fred has been much better away from the partnership though.
Same for all of us.It's one or the other plus Martinez/Varane. They're both decent squad players that play better alongside someone who covers their weaknesses.
That first half brought back a lot of memories, not so much about their defending but more the use of the ball: square passes, slow tempo, no help from the midfield either so it's not entirely their fault. I just don't want to ever see that partnership again
Actually a big part of the slow play is down to the midfield, Casemiro makes himself available for a pass, McTominay doesn't, so the square passes are to try and find an angle to play the ball in to midfield rather than go long every time, didn't help that both fullbacks weren't great tonight, especially DalotIt's one or the other plus Martinez/Varane. They're both decent squad players that play better alongside someone who covers their weaknesses.
That first half brought back a lot of memories, not so much about their defending but more the use of the ball: square passes, slow tempo, no help from the midfield either so it's not entirely their fault. I just don't want to ever see that partnership again
One of the worst pairs,.. so much more obvious after watching Licha and Varane most of the year.
Maguire definitely has this trait about him where he wants to be the one creating things when he has 0 ability to do so. The amount of times he keeps the ball for way too long, takes too many touches, all while less glamorous passes are available to him just so he can feel like he's the main man.
He's done similar before only to get dispossessed in our own half. Some may argue he's a decent defender, but not for a top team.
The slow build up used to infuriate me, and in this match it allowed West Ham to press us deeper and deeper in the first half, so much that De Gea had to kick long, West Ham winning every header subsequently.It's one or the other plus Martinez/Varane. They're both decent squad players that play better alongside someone who covers their weaknesses.
That first half brought back a lot of memories, not so much about their defending but more the use of the ball: square passes, slow tempo, no help from the midfield either so it's not entirely their fault. I just don't want to ever see that partnership again
The Valencia chance first half, was due to Lindelof switching off, and allowing Antonio past him, and we know Maguire has no pace. We may see them together against Fulham.
The fact that they were done twice with a ball down the middle that neither of them saw, to a man that neither of them was picking up should be enough evidence for even the most ardent members of the Maguire defense force to finally accept that he is just not very good at football. Even school boy level teams dont get done like that let alone twice in the same half.
Seeing both of them together, just should seal any opinion that they both need to be sold in the summer
I disagree slightly. Its true that they play badly together but its primarily because Maguire is terrible and he is used to leading Lindelof, whereas with the other two, they know they have to lead Maguire. Maguire thinks too slowly, he moves too slowly, and he's afraid to step up because he turns so slowly. Lindelof looks bad because of Maguire. Varane and Martinez are quick enough to make up for Maguire and they also talk to him more than Lindelof does. Point is I think Lindelof could be a very good center back in time if they dont play together.
He’s had almost 6!
Hate seeing both their names on the teamsheet together
He needs a few games with a decent partner!
I don't want to see the two of them play together ever again.
You knew they were doomed when you couldn't merge their names together properly, Lindeguire ... Magulof? Sounds like a 70s detective and a cheap holiday resort where Brits can disgrace themselves. Vartinez has a far better ring to it, as an added bonus it sounds like they'd get the rub of the green with refereeing decisions.
Excuses, he’s pants
Yeah it's infuriating. People want to point to his passing stats vs someone like Varane, but the difference is Varane moves the ball quickly even if it's simple passes. Maguire sits on the ball like he's prime fecking Pirlo about to break out a 50 yard peach with his genius, just to pass it sideways again or worse.
I honestly think he gets a bit overrated as a pure defender as well. He's slow to anticipate danger regardless of how physically limited he is anyways. He's not very aggressive in his challenges or a supreme tackler. His only real quality attribute is he's a solid defensive header of the ball.
You can bet Ten Hag will try his luck in signing Timber this summer.
Spot on.
Me saying that some may see him as a decent defender was to acknowledge those that do. I personally don't see him as a decent defender at all but thankfully, I needn't bare my full opinion about him these days.
Holy hell, I never noticed how much of a ballhog Maguire was till his last couple outings. He acts like that kid who brought the ball to the park. When we want to pass side to side to create gaps this fool always decides to dwell on the ball and lets the press regain shape. Every single time. Actually fed up because it's so undisciplined. I don't know if it's the captaincy that warps their brain or they come to us broken. We have team play now so he can stop playing for himself already.
Maybe EtH just prefers Maguie. Who knows.
You can tell Maguire is absolutely terrified of having a forward pass intercepted and having someone then running at him at speed. Think Lindelof has similar concerns
Night and day compared to Varane and Lisandro.
They look even worse after we've been able to see how a real solid partnership looks like.
They look even worse after we've been able to see how a real solid partnership looks like.
It just doesn't work. Too slow and no penetrating passes. In some ways it's like the opposite of what Phil Jones and Eric Bailly would produce. You can imagine Jones and Bailly smashing into tackles and sprinting to make recoveries but then getting booked, sent off or injured, making forward runs with the ball but then their pass would go astray hence why they are no longer playing. If these two are not careful the same will happen to them because of their lack of urgency and assertiveness. Maguire I know has had his critics but he doesn't help himself and Lindelof hasn't progressed anywhere near enough. It is painful to watch.
Like if I shooed Gordon Ramsey away from the oven and proceeded to burn the lasagna
Couldn’t agree more.
Can't stand watching those plodders try to play football. Especially Maguire. His slow and ponderous style screams Everton or some similar crap disjointed team
I am surprised that ETH hasn't tried Tuanzebe at all, is he still injured, he has some really good qualities, not saying top drawer player but for a 3rd or rather 4th choice has be ahead of Maquire.
my biggest criticism of Maquire last night would be the strength of his passes on numerous occasions they were too weak, and too near an opposition player, fortunately they had just enough but so, so close better players would have intercepted.
my biggest criticism of Maquire last night would be the strength of his passes on numerous occasions they were too weak, and too near an opposition player, fortunately they had just enough but so, so close better players would have intercepted.
Shame they get lumped together. Lindelof is miles better than Maguire.
Lindelof is good enough for back up. Maguire needs to be replaced this summer. Both of them starting together is an atrocity. I can't believe they did that for years. The state of this club...
It's quite simply that ETH insists Martinez plays LCB, and Maguire plays RCB
I actually feel a bit sorry for Victor. He´s no Baresi but has looked pretty good the few times he has played with other good CBs.
Maguire does seem to be consistenly slow and clumsy regardless and always seems to make his partners worse.
Victor + Rafa or Licha doesn´t make me nervous. Maguire + peak Baresi would still somehow make me sweat.
Maguire does seem to be consistenly slow and clumsy regardless and always seems to make his partners worse.
Victor + Rafa or Licha doesn´t make me nervous. Maguire + peak Baresi would still somehow make me sweat.