Yeah you would think the lure of playing regular football was a big enough incentive for Harry.
But I would say his management team would be the ones pushing for this payoff. Modern day footballers rarely think for themselves.
Maguire | he stays!
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But I would say his management team would be the ones pushing for this payoff. Modern day footballers rarely think for themselves.
I’m sorry but, even though I’ve been critical of Murtough and co in the past, you cannot put this on them. They can’t make clubs buy him, and also if he’s making unreasonable demands in terms of payoff, you can’t expect them to bow down to him. Plus they would have to get that payoff signed off by the Glazers.
But there are also related articles which say (quite unsurprisingly) that WHU are now working on other targets (even naming a couple of CBs). It is obvious that if WHU buys someone else, deal will never be revived
Also, they didn't sanction his wages.
Great way to commit career suicide Harry.
Yeah could see them having a smirking conversation at half time.
There is a possibility that Maguire has another club lined up or interested that he prefers to West Ham. Similar to the news of Elanga rejected Everton before finding out he was going to Forest....I hope.
Wonder if Southgate would have the balls to drop him should this stance continue.
I appreciate he feels entitled to receive the difference in his current contract and the contract offered by West Ham, but it is ultimately a career decision for him.
If he values the bag over playing time and potentially his international football career then he should absolutely stay and ride it out, that's on Manchester United's executives in 2019.
If he wants to re-establish himself and play football, then the 'severance' package shouldn't be a sticking point.
Good luck to him either way, but I don't think he has any hope in starting more than 10 games for United if he stays, and that's completely on merit.
I appreciate he feels entitled to receive the difference in his current contract and the contract offered by West Ham, but it is ultimately a career decision for him.
If he values the bag over playing time and potentially his international football career then he should absolutely stay and ride it out, that's on Manchester United's executives in 2019.
If he wants to re-establish himself and play football, then the 'severance' package shouldn't be a sticking point.
Good luck to him either way, but I don't think he has any hope in starting more than 10 games for United if he stays, and that's completely on merit.
I wouldn't even let this guy play with the youth team now - he should be left to assist with Voldemort's individual training sessions now. We can let the press in to watch hours of the nameless one sending him sprawling on the floor and then setup a webcam to cover it every day, telling Harry it carries on and on until he agrees to a move on OUR terms
He’s entitled to the money if he wants to stay as 4th choice and risk missing international tournaments.
He hasn’t really fulfilled his side of the contract in putting in performances worth that £190k a week, hence the only option for him to move is to a team that can’t afford that wage.
It’s the same issue with Henderson. You haven’t progressed enough to fulfill that wage, so you either lower your wage expectations and join a club that matches your talent, or you accept that you’re not going to play and make up the numbers at a big club to get your bigger salary.
He hasn’t really fulfilled his side of the contract in putting in performances worth that £190k a week, hence the only option for him to move is to a team that can’t afford that wage.
It’s the same issue with Henderson. You haven’t progressed enough to fulfill that wage, so you either lower your wage expectations and join a club that matches your talent, or you accept that you’re not going to play and make up the numbers at a big club to get your bigger salary.
Oh I'd say it's probably clear he's 5th choice when everyone is fit, let alone 4th. But that doesn't alter the fact that if him and his family are settled in the area, and if he does have a misguided belief that he could turn it round at United then he is entitled to the money, particularly given he's remained professional throughout and not given any indication he wants to leave. I wouldn't want to live in, around or frankly anywhere near London, so I can understand why he'd be reluctant to move without being fully compensated.
short memory. Remember how we started last season?What do you think DoFs do exactly? Answer emails?
Apparently no room for a brain in that giant head of his. Rotting on the bench is going to do wonders for his career, if he even makes it onto the bench to begin with.
United fans sounding like Barca fans last year here..."no, he should take a paycut for the club". Bollocks to that. As if ye'd take a voluntary pay cut to go do your job in a shittier place.
Exactly. 7m is a lot of money. United gave him the big contact, he doesn't want to go, its up to united to find a solution, otherwise its another winston bogarde.
Didn't we leak out very similar articles about looking at other targets two or three days before we announced the signing of Mount? It's no coincidence that this first got out via a journalist with known connections to the West Ham hierarchy and then immediately to Sky, who they've also been known to leak to in the past.But there are also related articles which say (quite unsurprisingly) that WHU are now working on other targets (even naming a couple of CBs). It is obvious that if WHU buys someone else, deal will never be revived
Really terrible news. Hopefully we can still find a solution.
Maguire should get some incentive in both stick and carrot. He should get some money for leaving, at the same time, we should absolutely make clear to him that he has played his last match for us.
Maguire should get some incentive in both stick and carrot. He should get some money for leaving, at the same time, we should absolutely make clear to him that he has played his last match for us.
The only way Maguire leaves is if ETH stops picking even as a bench option which we shouldn’t have done last night at all, we had Lindelof on the bench and could have used Evans as well if really needed as well.
Right now England have got Stones as first choice then Colwill, Tomori, Guehi, Dunk, White, Gomez, Tarkowski, Mings and Chalobah whilst Walker and Shaw can also both play there so that’s 12 players not including Maguire so if Maguire isn’t playing then Southgate won’t pick him regardless of his love for him.
If Colwill keeps progressing you’d fancy him to be Stones centre back partner by the start of next year especially with him being a natural left footer and being very good on the ball whilst Tomori is playing CL football and learning a different style from playing in Italy which is a famously defensive league so they’d be your first three in my opinion so Maguire is only hurting himself from his stubbornness.
Right now England have got Stones as first choice then Colwill, Tomori, Guehi, Dunk, White, Gomez, Tarkowski, Mings and Chalobah whilst Walker and Shaw can also both play there so that’s 12 players not including Maguire so if Maguire isn’t playing then Southgate won’t pick him regardless of his love for him.
If Colwill keeps progressing you’d fancy him to be Stones centre back partner by the start of next year especially with him being a natural left footer and being very good on the ball whilst Tomori is playing CL football and learning a different style from playing in Italy which is a famously defensive league so they’d be your first three in my opinion so Maguire is only hurting himself from his stubbornness.
I think the misguided belief is the thing that irks people in this situation, but another good point on the family and he is a northern boy. He'd probably be living in Essex too, so would need to be handsomely compensated.
No one is saying he should take a pay cut and stay. If he wants to go and only lesser clubs wants him then he has to accept that's his level now and he'll get paid accordingly.
He has every right to stay and just take the money but not to leave and get compensated. The club should call his bluff and see how much he does want to play.
Why are you lot being so harsh on the reserves and u21 teams? It would be really unfair on them if they're told to carry Maguire with even worse players than the first team.
No he is not wholly responsible. We have not treated him like he's valuable (whether he is or not is irrelevant).
no he won't. He can play no games for the next 2 years and would instantly get signed by a PL club in need of an experienced defender. We signed Jonny Evans for fecks sake. I'm sure he'd find a place at West Ham or Everton or Wolves.
Hilarious take at this stage of the season (less than 24 hours after our first game).
Out of interest though, what makes you say that?
It's not just Woodward though. He didn't negotiate the Antony deal of last year, nor Mount this season. All those transfer can very easily go the Maguire route and hurt us in the present and future team building.
I think a lot are missing the point. It's not the current leadership that paid huge money or wages for him, and the current manager doesn't want him. This hanging around for more money, sure he's entitled to do so but this isn't any of the current leadership or managers fault. He's absolutely not going to get any sympathy from anyone for this and I can see ETH holding a grudge if he doesn't move. Unbelievable, genuinely thought he'd care more about his career to move but apparently not.
Surely not the same, I can get sacked at my job for bad performance. That doesnt happen in football.
He's still upset that Ole was fired, and now he wants us to fail so he can be "right" about wanting Ole to stay.
We've signed Evans on a 1 month deal, and to be honest, only because he has an extensive history with the club. The equivalent would be Sheffield United signing him in a few years on a short term deal.No he is not wholly responsible. We have not treated him like he's valuable (whether he is or not is irrelevant).
We signed Jonny Evans for fecks sake. I'm sure he'd find a place at West Ham or Everton or Wolves.
He's 30. It's early retirement and he's negotiating for his pension.
Well this makes no sense at all because we did agree a fee with West Ham for Maguire. That's not the sticking point here. What a clueless post.And people here were saying we shouldn’t sell Maguire and Mctominay for anything less than 70m
I fear that one might have been McTominay-dependent. If he stays and the Maguire deal collapses, I'd guess that is it for incoming players this summer.
He'll still move. This way, he'll just get an extra £7m out of it.
Have to love an exclusive that says deal off but might be revived. This is just West Ham putting pressure on us to get a hurry on for a replacement.
I already said this multiple times, i'll say it again.
Maguire only cares about the money. And maybe the prestige, bragging rights of being associated with a prestige brand like United.
He doesn't care about playing time. He doesn't care about playing for his country. Southgate picks him anyway, no matter the circumstances because it's a nepotism choice, not a meritocratic one.
I'm slightly surprised there isn't some Saudi buzz around him, but maybe even they don't want him. He would be good for their league as a meme, circus performer/entertainer. He certainly brings attention/views.
Maguire only cares about the money. And maybe the prestige, bragging rights of being associated with a prestige brand like United.
He doesn't care about playing time. He doesn't care about playing for his country. Southgate picks him anyway, no matter the circumstances because it's a nepotism choice, not a meritocratic one.
I'm slightly surprised there isn't some Saudi buzz around him, but maybe even they don't want him. He would be good for their league as a meme, circus performer/entertainer. He certainly brings attention/views.
We’re too soft
Don’t pick him in the squad. Don’t let him train with the first team. Tell him if he’s not found a club by September 1st then he’s not getting registered
Don’t pick him in the squad. Don’t let him train with the first team. Tell him if he’s not found a club by September 1st then he’s not getting registered
It happens (contract buy out) but not as often.
Then again if your current employer had to pay a 6 or 7 figures to your former one to get you onboard, he'd probably think twice about firing you.
Having a DOF doesn’t stop you from signing shit players on big wages.
McTominay is still in the manager's thinking.
If it's "anybody" dependent, it'll be VdB.