He's been a solid 7/10 for me in all aspects of his game, and will only get better, but what the hell do I know?
Maguire's persistent ball hogging
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I agree but spent my entire career as a CM so what do I know about a good CB.
Yeah but as his Mother you would say that
So weird that he's the captain. Having played like half of the season for us.
What isn't he better at?
Funny that some dudes on a forum think he can’t play out from the back, yet he was also wanted by one of the greatest managers ever whose whole philosophy relies on defenders being able to do just that..
Maguire currently isn’t able to demonstrate that at United though as the movement in front of him is shocking, which is probably a hangover from having the chuckle brothers at CB unable to pass the ball more than 2 metres for the last few years.
Maguire currently isn’t able to demonstrate that at United though as the movement in front of him is shocking, which is probably a hangover from having the chuckle brothers at CB unable to pass the ball more than 2 metres for the last few years.
The things that are beyond a reasonable doubt?
• Miles better touch
• Miles better dribbling
• Miles better passing
There's nothing wrong with a cb advancing with the ball. It helps advance the defensive line to make the pitch smaller, and it allows the fullbacks and wingers to push higher up the pitch before receiving the pass. The problem is our fullbacks are so scared of getting over the halfway line which inevitably leads to sideways passes and ball hogging from the cbs. You also have some of our midfielders hiding behind the opponents.
I couldn’t
I’m no fan of Jones at all but I don’t think this is true either. Rojo is a bit reckless as well, but I’m not sure they make others worse.
True, but other successful teams’ defenders don’t dwell on the ball for an age like Harry.
I do think AWB could become a decent attacker, but wouldn’t be surprised if Ole doesn’t see developing him in that direction as a priority.
Kin ell, Fred gives a ball away, AWB caught too high, Shaw completely sells himself (biggest error of the lot and something of a shocker) and somehow you pin the blame on the only defender who actually did his job ?
Shit thread
This happened with Smalling last season. He did his job but because others messed up he got the blame because of the aesthetics.
Second that. Maguire is not living up to his price tag, and probably never will, but he's been ok, no more less.
I hope he'll have a better 2nd season though.
Good talk.
I don't think you'll meet many people in your life that think Smalling is better on the ball than Maguire. Ekeke maybe due to his Smalling love story, but if you find another I'd be absolutely amazed. It's one thing thinking Smalling is a better all round defender than Maguire but it's insanity to think he's even remotely close on the ball.
Absolutely true. Redcafe 'Agenda' fans are a weird lot.
That's the one thing that counts, no? Particularly when you are a defender?Good talk.
I don't think you'll meet many people in your life that think Smalling is better on the ball than Maguire. Ekeke maybe due to his Smalling love story, but if you find another I'd be absolutely amazed. It's one thing thinking Smalling is a better all round defender than Maguire but it's insanity to think he's even remotely close on the ball.
A long pass is different from a hoof. Maguire doesn't hoof the ball.
have you been at the sherry ??
Well no, obviously.
And it wasn't my point anyhow. The poster wanted to know what Maguire was better than Smalling at so I gave him simply the things that are beyond any reasonable doubt.
How many times does Smalling hoof the ball? I mean, I would like to see the stat, if available. And also, 'hoofs' that Mag-Lindi make on an average.
Smalling was often forced to hoofs, quite often straight out of play, simple because we don't have tonnes of options and Smalling aint great on the ball. Lindelöf and Maguire are miles better on the ball and are forced to result to hoofs less often, that's as clear as day for anyone to see.
Haven't seen Smalling so much at Roma, but if his options are better, he'll hoof much much less.
I'm one of Smalling's biggest fans on this forum, but those three are all pretty damn obvious. Not sure what you are calling false on.
I mean, he's right in regards the Smalling-Blind combo. That is still by far the best central defensive combination we've used since Rio and Vidic left. No idea what Smalling-Rojo combo he's talking about though. Rojo's good period was with Bailly and then Jones. I actually don't remember Smalling-Rojo ever getting a good run of games together.
Smalling really didn't hoof the ball that often. Most seasons he had the highest completed passes percentage out of our central defenders. Obviously that's because he played the simple pass the vast majority of the time, but he wasn't giving the ball away very often either.
We spent 80m on a slight upgrade over Smalling so we could sell Smalling for a rumoured 20m.
4.5 years younger.
If we end up paying 55m for the upgrade and 4 extra years I’m happy with that. I also think Maguire will get better and better.
Will he? Hmm.....I doubt so. Chris Smalling didn't really improved much from the time he was Mike. Considering that our CM and RW are virtually non existent should have we spent 80m on a decent but not WC CB?
It's just the classic joining United effect.
Smalling/Jones etc, might have been "quicker" at passing it 5 yards, but more often than not it still went to tits.
Maguire is composed, classy on the ball, and it doesn't help that we've had half a team for most of his spell here.
I hope Ole gets the boot before we sell Smalling because that would be stupid. I don’t even think Maguire is an upgrade over Smalling.
- Smalling is simply a better defender.
- Smalling is one of the fastest CBs around along with the likes of Varane etc. while Maguire is the complete opposite. Is there anyone slower than him? He’s definitely one of the slowest and most cumbersome CBs I’ve ever seen.
- Maguire is simply more comfortable on the ball than Smalling is. That much is obvious. However playing out from the back, being a ball playing CB is not equal to being comfortable on the ball. I didn’t see anything from Maguire so far that he’s a great ball playing CB. I honestly think Lindelöf has played better passes out from the back than Maguire this season(also outperformed him in the last couple of weeks) and I don’t really rate Lindelöf.
- Both are great in the air but Smalling also scored the odd 2-3 goals a year. Don’t know about Maguire’s stats at Leicester but he didn’t show anything to suggest that he’s better in that aspect than Smalling either.
@GifLord we need gif from his move somehwere between 18:30 - 19:30 in this game.
Constantly gives possession away, his passing is average at best.
Have people really not figured out yet this is a persistent problem when Matic is in the team? Just watch his refusal to accept the ball in any tight area when we are being pressed. Cut out the pass to the central midfield and it becomes incredibly easy to stop teams playing out from the back.
Movement in front of him has been diabolical so far to be fair.
£80m, for a guy that like the others just came here for the money. Why we didn’t just get a CM I don’t know.
I said from the moment we were linked with him this summer that £80m was crazy money, but that was when I thought we were actually getting a pretty competent upgrade on what we had. Now I'm not so sure, i think Smalling at his best was easily a better defender than what we're currently seeing. And his supposed ball playing abilities are shite anyway. £80m down the bloody drain, but it's OK because we don't have a massive, gaping hole in our midfield or attack that needs addressing.
Bang average all season. Getting the piss taken out of him here.
God he's fecking shit isn't he.
And I'm not talking about his ball distribution only.
And I'm not talking about his ball distribution only.
Not sure what's worse; Maguire standing around doing feck all or Lingard who's so shite he can't even play football
Prick thinks he is Pique.
It has but he's having a mare so far, really really poor game from him.