I'm guessing the cat incident and the stuff with his niece?
"She was creeped out [by him]," Kratz says by phone, later adding by email: "She [went to her employer and] said she would not go back because she was scared of him."
At 8:12 a.m. on Oct. 31, the day Halbach was killed, Kratz says Avery called AutoTrader magazine and asked them to send "that same girl who was here last time." He says that Avery knew Halbach was leery of him, so he allegedly gave his sister's name and number to "trick" Halbach into coming.
"Phone records show three calls from Avery to Teresa's cell phone on Oct. 31," says Kratz. "One at 2:24 [p.m.], and one at 2:35 – both calls Avery uses the *67 feature so Teresa doesn't know it him...both placed before she arrives.
"Then one last call at 4:35 p.m., without the *67 feature. Avery first believes he can simply say she never showed up…so tries to establish the alibi call after she's already been there, hence the 4:35 call. She will never answer of course, so he doesn't need the *67 feature for that last call."
Kratz' press conference nailed Avery's coffin shut. The public had turned and every single person on the jury would have started the trial with that on their minds, some of them probably had it already made up.Finished it. Incredible and disturbing story. Best documentary I've seen.
Going purely on the documentary it really boggles the mind not only that he was found guilty, but especially that Brendan was found guilty. I can only assume these jurors were massively brainwashed by all the media attention at the time. However, I've read stuff on the net and apparently the documentary has left out pretty incriminating evidence, like supposedly Stephen did ring Teresa multiple times that day. Even still, what's the motive? And where the hell is the blood? She was stabbed and mutilated and all they could find was a slab on a bullet? Madness!
I agree with his defense attorney though, I really hope at this stage that he actually is guilty, otherwise it's too messed up to comprehend.
The cat thing was downplayed in the doc. He apparently doused it in gasoline and tossed it in the fire to burn to death. He apparently had some some of inappropriate contact with his Niece in 2004 (I think) which they said he would have been charged with if he got off on this. Guess they didn't want to drag the niece through it of they didn't have to.I'm gonna make a stand and say spoilers are not needed
The cat thing was mentioned in the doc, and obviously there are alarm bells there. What stuff with his niece?
But now what I was alluding to is what Kratz has since come out and said was completely left out of the documentary.
Bingo. That whole "if you're under 15...." Disclaimer, and some of the inflammatory remarks he made...there was no way he'd get impartial jurors who hadn't let that seep in.Kratz' press conference nailed Avery's coffin shut. The public had turned and every single person on the jury would have started the trial with that on their minds, some of them probably had it already made up.
What goes around comes around, glad that dick Kratz got his.
I've been reading loads about this since I finished watching it. But I can't find anything on his niece. Can you send me the link?The cat thing was downplayed in the doc. He apparently doused it in gasoline and tossed it in the fire to burn to death. He apparently had some some of inappropriate contact with his Niece in 2004 (I think) which they said he would have been charged with if he got off on this. Guess they didn't want to drag the niece through it of they didn't have to.
As for the info from Kratz, it doesn't make all that much sense. If she was leery of him to that degree, she wouldn't have gone at all surely? She would have known the address since she's gone there multiple times before, and would have recognized it once she started making her way there.
Plus, when he was first interviewed on the news, before being a suspect of her disappearance, he says she was there taking pictures of the vehicle. Doesn't make sense with what Kratz tries to imply with him "setting up an alibi" since he then admitted seeing her on television before being a suspect and on trial.
They explained the appointment in her sister's name bit by the fact that it was her car that was supposedly going to be photographed.I'm gonna make a stand and say spoilers are not needed
The cat thing was mentioned in the doc, and obviously there are alarm bells there. What stuff with his niece?
But now what I was alluding to is what Kratz has since come out and said was completely left out of the documentary.
I don't think I've ever seen a bias-free documentary. I don't see it as a problem so long as you're aware of it.I really want to watch it but there's supposedly some things they left out the documentary which holds me back from watching it. Why watch a documentary when they haven't covered everything? What's the agenda?
Wasn't a niece...not sure where I got that from. Anyway, here's a link.I've been reading loads about this since I finished watching it. But I can't find anything on his niece. Can you send me the link?
I did see that Brendan mentioned there was some touching. But although wrong and creepy sounded more like when they were play wrestling in their yard.
I really want to watch it but there's supposedly some things they left out the documentary which holds me back from watching it. Why watch a documentary when they haven't covered everything? What's the agenda?
"Our question going in was never about guilt or innocence or about trying to solve this crime. It was really an exploration into the system"
He's still got a law firm. Although judging by its website, it's not very high profile...@Cina
Oh and I was glad to see Kratz career go up in smoke, hated that slimey prick from the beginning.
At this stage after looking around the net at evidence omitted as well as Avery's past, I do think he killed her, I just don't think he did it on his own property. That's where the big police framing comes into it.Ok so I've just finished the show after starting last night and binging all 10 episodes.
I have one main question really; why the feck wouldn't you just take your own photos of the van for autotrader?
But seriously, there's so much wrong with how these cases were dealt with and the amount of ass-covering going on still now is disgusting.
Her brothers attitude was strange as well, he seemed more concerned with someone going down than it being the right someone. Difficult to really put yourself in the families shoes though.
I reckon the ex-boyfriend killed her.
Pretty much everything is recorded in cases/prisons in America, especially high profile ones. That's footage available to anyone who wants it I think. The interviews with the family, lawyers etc. was filmed by the same people over ten years.Does anyone know if the people who made the documentary are the same people that actually filmed the entire proceedings? Or is it a separate company who bought the recordings etc?
Yea, a gmail email address gives a lawyer that air of professionalism.He's still got a law firm. Although judging by its website, it's not very high profile...
http://www.kratzlawfirm.com/
Poor man's Saul Goodman springs to mind.
I don't really know what to make of Avery at this point to be honest, need to read a bit more around it as I'm sure there was stuff left out and there was definitely a bias to the production.At this stage after looking around the net at evidence omitted as well as Avery's past, I do think he killed her, I just don't think he did it on his own property. That's where the big police framing comes into it.
But still, there's no way he should've been convicted off of that evidence.
I think the real sin here is Brendan going to prison.
2005, probably didn't have a camera or at least a good one.Ok so I've just finished the show after starting last night and binging all 10 episodes.
I have one main question really; why the feck wouldn't you just take your own photos of the van for autotrader?
But seriously, there's so much wrong with how these cases were dealt with and the amount of ass-covering going on still now is disgusting.
Her brothers attitude was strange as well, he seemed more concerned with someone going down than it being the right someone. Difficult to really put yourself in the families shoes though.
I reckon the ex-boyfriend killed her.
Reddit has a good source of info for the case, although a majority there seem to be firmly in the "not guilty" camp, so some threads are presented as such.I don't really know what to make of Avery at this point to be honest, need to read a bit more around it as I'm sure there was stuff left out and there was definitely a bias to the production.
I agree 100% on Brendan though, he's been failed in a big way by the justice system. Repeatedly.
Makes sense I thought it sounded a lot like TLOU theme.Apparently the theme from this is from the same guy who did the OST for The Last Of Us
Well I mean you've seen almost the whole season so why wouldn't you finish?I've got two episodes left and I've just read this page of the thread bar the stuff in actual spoilers. Is it worth watching the last two episodes or not?
I've just watched the episode where Avery gets convicted and I can guess Brendan will be too so just wondering if anything else really happens in the last two episodes? Two hours is a lot of time.Well I mean you've seen almost the whole season so why wouldn't you finish?
If Avery did kill her, then I assume he would have to move the car as well so how would the police have got the key to the car?I'd echo a few of the things said above - I think there's still a good possibility Avery killed her, but I'm almost certain Lenk planted that key.
Loads of unanswered questions which will hopefully get some coverage over the next few months.
If you believe the police planted evidence, which I do, then the murder of Theresa Halbach by anybody else other than the police is too convenient for it to be true.If Avery did kill her, then I assume he would have to move the car as well so how would the police have got the key to the car?
Would Avery have left the key in the car for it to be used against him?
My problem with the case was the length the prosecution and police had to go to in order to put Avery as the killer. The lack of the victims DNA in many of the key pieces of evidence, the amount of time they took over the property for, the periods of time when new evidence was being discovered... If it was Avery then why did they have to basically go out of their way and against proper protocol in order to put him away. The tactics in involving Brendan to make Avery seem even more like a monster, the press conferences, the contaminated bullet, the continued interest of the police department even after they were ordered to stay away it just makes me think that it was all a set up.
$36 million would have ruined the whole judicial system and a lot of careers had Steven won. There was too much on the line.
The big mystery is indeed who killed Teresa Halbach? The inexplicable lack of investigation into immediate family members and close friends and acquaintances is something that will be a big talking point forever in this case. Who was making those phone calls to Teresa? And the deleted messages on the phone? These are the key to solving the case correctly.
If it wasn't the police, then for me the police had to have found the body before hand and the search party was a wild goose chase while they plotted their plan to take down Avery.
Came across this very disturbing blog post as well, worth a read and would love to hear peoples views on this please. Make sure you have seen the documentary though.
http://www.convolutedbrian.com/an-alternative.html
Cina we usually have similar tastes, does this hold up over the ten episodes? (don't want to read the thread too much in case I see spoilers) I'm halfway through episode 1 and enjoying it a lot, but I'm wondering how they could make it last over 10 episodes (yeah I know "your wife lol")yeah it's fantastic, I'm three episodes in.
It's better than The Jinx I think. An even crazier story and with far more footage and coverage to go along with it.
Yes - watch it all.Cina we usually have similar tastes, does this hold up over the ten episodes? (don't want to read the thread too much in case I see spoilers) I'm halfway through episode 1 and enjoying it a lot, but I'm wondering how they could make it last over 10 episodes (yeah I know "your wife lol")
