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Television Making a Murderer (Netflix Documentary) - Spoilers from Page 2
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Brendan's lawyer is such a bloody scumbag. Think I hate him more than anyone else we've met through the case.
Absolutely amazing.
Such a miscarriage of justice that Brendan was jailed. He clearly isn't of sound mind and his "confession" was made under duress.
I personally think he was used as a pawn for the State to get his uncle and simply discarded him after they got what they wanted.
It was so upsetting to see him overweight and clearly depressed.
Such a miscarriage of justice that Brendan was jailed. He clearly isn't of sound mind and his "confession" was made under duress.
I personally think he was used as a pawn for the State to get his uncle and simply discarded him after they got what they wanted.
It was so upsetting to see him overweight and clearly depressed.
There are so many evil people in the show, I watch every episode completely shocked (and now, I can't stop watching). And it's funny to compare it to extra-ordinary stories like Bonfire of the Vanities or Gone Girl too, there's a load of similarities, yet this story is a hundred times worse.
Started watching this yesterday, finished it today. Girlfriend and I were hooked, went to sleep super late (might call it early). What a bunch of filthy, disgusting people that are supposed to deal out justice in America.
Even if you think that Steven is guilty (how you could say that beyond reasonable doubt I don't know) it's gobsmacking that they find Brendan guilty. What a bunch of redneck jury twats as well. Former jury guy thought Steven was innocent, 7/12 started out the deliberation thinking he was innocent and only 3 guilty. You bet ya that some of those people on the jury where similar people to those police men. Hellbent on thinking that this scum Avery is guilty and they were going to see to that, that he went to jail forever.
To the Brendan case, what kind of a dirty feck was that Michael O'Kelly. Started crying in the court because of some photo he conjured to coerce a witness. The defense made a mess of that trial I thought. Closing statement in the avery trial from Kuntz was that Avery did the crime alone, that he killed her in the garage. Based on that Avery is found guilty. Over to the Brendan case and he's found guilty of helping a guy who was convicted of doing it alone (in words, not legally) by killing the woman in a difference place and even mutilating her, something that Avery was cleared off. Add to that, throw on the rape as well because he was told to say that at some point.
Seeing that cnut Wiegert on the stands, blatantly lying and being caught lying with no repercussions. Such a sickening case. What a good for nothing state. They're probably going to end up voting for Trump. Amazing how some hillbillies with an obviously thin gene pool can look so much better than the average person.
And also that smug fecking brother Halbach. He lost my sympathy in the end with how he behaved. Media were also a bunch of cnuts throughout the whole thing.
To the Brendan case, what kind of a dirty feck was that Michael O'Kelly. Started crying in the court because of some photo he conjured to coerce a witness. The defense made a mess of that trial I thought. Closing statement in the avery trial from Kuntz was that Avery did the crime alone, that he killed her in the garage. Based on that Avery is found guilty. Over to the Brendan case and he's found guilty of helping a guy who was convicted of doing it alone (in words, not legally) by killing the woman in a difference place and even mutilating her, something that Avery was cleared off. Add to that, throw on the rape as well because he was told to say that at some point.
Seeing that cnut Wiegert on the stands, blatantly lying and being caught lying with no repercussions. Such a sickening case. What a good for nothing state. They're probably going to end up voting for Trump. Amazing how some hillbillies with an obviously thin gene pool can look so much better than the average person.
And also that smug fecking brother Halbach. He lost my sympathy in the end with how he behaved. Media were also a bunch of cnuts throughout the whole thing.
Just used my lunch break to watch episode 4, that's how addictive it is. It's absolutely bonkers, every single episode pushes the insanity further.
Watched it in two sittings. Bleak. I can't feel feelings anymore.
The kid was obviously mentally challenged, and only 16/17. How can he be tried as an independent adult when he is only a kid and nowhere near equipped mentally to testify? From what we have been shown, it seems clear he was saying what he thought was the right thing to say, and not what was the truth.
Seeing him escorted around in chains and cuffs was quite brutal. The recording at the end when he said that he'd simply said what the police officers wanted him to say and that "I've not been free since that day" was bleak.
Still unsure about Avery. His past paints him as a bad cnut and in need of help, but I don't think he did it.
The kid was obviously mentally challenged, and only 16/17. How can he be tried as an independent adult when he is only a kid and nowhere near equipped mentally to testify? From what we have been shown, it seems clear he was saying what he thought was the right thing to say, and not what was the truth.
Seeing him escorted around in chains and cuffs was quite brutal. The recording at the end when he said that he'd simply said what the police officers wanted him to say and that "I've not been free since that day" was bleak.
Still unsure about Avery. His past paints him as a bad cnut and in need of help, but I don't think he did it.
"Place her in his house/garage."
He'll surely get a retrial soon? One of the juror's came out today and said they feared for their personal safety if he was found not guilty. They'll surely be exploring that as a potential cause for a new trial. With all this media attention and a (probably bias) documentary out there, how will he ever get a fair trial now?
I reckon he's probably innocent, but not sure.
The kid though, fecking hell. Surely someone, somewhere can pardon him without the need for a new trial? It was the most ridiculous trial ever.
I reckon he's probably innocent, but not sure.
The kid though, fecking hell. Surely someone, somewhere can pardon him without the need for a new trial? It was the most ridiculous trial ever.
Binge watched this this week followed by "The Jinx" which I found even more compelling. Definitely check that out if you're a fan of this.
Yeah, watched it the last 2 days, was very entertaining. I cant understand why the feck he wouldnt destroy the car if he did it. I dont think he did it personally, the officers were so fecked up and so much money was on the cards, that i could see them killing her. The victim's brother was such a dick i thought, right from the beginning. Dont know if that was his blind hate towards the Averys, but i thought he just overdid it. I really couldnt stand him when he talked to the media. Kratz was an absolute dickhead, just as Brendans first lawyer, you could see right from his smug face what a cnut he was. Pretty much everyone behaved despicable, it kind of was a competition of who is the biggest cnut and gets away with it.
Didn't know if this was posted already. One of the jurors came forward. Said they tried "making a compromise" with each other in relation to the votes and charges. Also apparently feared for their own safety.
http://www.nbcchicago.com/entertain...-364234661.html?_osource=SocialFlowFB_CHBrand
http://www.nbcchicago.com/entertain...-364234661.html?_osource=SocialFlowFB_CHBrand
Personally i am wary of these kind of documentaries. There is evidence of manipulated footage, a lot of evidence against Avery, mainly the evidence that the documentary couldn't say was 'planted' was ignored and the fact that the crew was so close the Avery's family and defense team.
As much as the prosecutors wanted to 'get' sheriff i think these documentary makers would do anything to see him cleared.
As much as the prosecutors wanted to 'get' sheriff i think these documentary makers would do anything to see him cleared.
What kind of evidence do you feel was omitted, that would have proven guilt beyond reasonable doubt with the circumstances of that trial?
They mentioned their motives of the documentary.
The most startling thing for me was the phone call between the dispatcher and Colburn, who is obviously looking at Teresa Halback's SUV license plate number, this was before it was found and after it went missing. It was like something out of a bad thriller film. He basically gave himself up with that admission yet it was seemingly hand waved away. He even calls back the first 3 numbers of it ffs!
Him and Lenk need to die asap.
What scares me is how sure I am that most of us, myself included, would've believed these were the just verdicts have we followed the case at the time.
Ridiculously gripping show. Like many here I went in to it a bit suspicious because it's easy to see how it could be biased towards Steven considering it's told from his side of the story. I still have so many unanswered questions at the end of it though and I can't truly say I know who's guilty or innocent.
Must say though, I really like Steven's defense lawyers. Basically the only likable people in the show!
I do think Brendan was severely taken advantage of and not really guilty of much at all. His confessions were very inconsistent and it seems everyone was out to get him to trip up. Bad form when he's young and clearly not the brightest
Must say though, I really like Steven's defense lawyers. Basically the only likable people in the show!
Not sure if it was mentioned already, but Avery seems to believe his brothers Earl and Charles might be guilty of the crimes.
I felt chills reading your recollection of that scene with the licence plate. I don't understand how these monsters can get away with such atrocities. They should all be jailed for life.
Just started watching this. It's amazing.
Michael O'Kelly the investigator. What a horrible bastard.
Did exactly the same here. They are almost companion pieces or mirror images. Really enjoyed both.
Incredibly gripping first four episodes, incredibly unjust system from top to bottom.
Just finished it. A documentary containing more cnuts than "Inside: Liverpool", didnt think that was possible. Not even sure who I hate the most tbh.
Not sure about Steve ultimately, he's an odd person but murderer? I really dont know. Brendan's trial was shameful and I feel physically angry about it.
It was a fantastic documentary in any case, after a couple of episodes I thought I'd later re-watch it with my wife but not sure I'll be able to, just makes me too angry.
Whats The Jinx you guys keep talking about?
Not sure about Steve ultimately, he's an odd person but murderer? I really dont know. Brendan's trial was shameful and I feel physically angry about it.
It was a fantastic documentary in any case, after a couple of episodes I thought I'd later re-watch it with my wife but not sure I'll be able to, just makes me too angry.
Whats The Jinx you guys keep talking about?
I knew that posting so often in the RAWK and Rodgers threads would come back to haunt me someday.
Is that on Netflix too? I might give it a go.
Just binged on this. I don't see how anyone can think he was guilty especially given there was absolutely no reason for him to do it. He had just spent 18 years in jail why would he ever want to do anything to incriminate himself and the were just too many situations of dodgy situations with cops. I mean they didn't investigate any other person. No other suspects? Come on
Yes on Netflix
Is it just me that thinks Steven Avery's mum looks a bit like LVG?
I can see where you're coming from! She looks like a little troll for me.Yep. That was like the last 5 minutes of a good Columbo movie when the killer puts his foot in it. I was gobsmacked.
I reckon this has been one of the most difficult things I've had to watch (had to ask a mate if it got any less bleak because I was swearing at my TV so much) almost to the extent I kind of zoned out after the Avery verdict (the Brendan one was a no brainer after).
I'll probably have to do some research and I get that this is a documentary coming entirely from one point of view but Jesus Christ there's so much actual visually recorded evidence of wrong doing here I don't see how some of these people can live with themselves.
Let's be real here aswell we're taking about a family that's borderline retarded. Madness to think that this all might have escalated from one incident with the sheriff's wife back when he was a kid.
A question from the original miscarriage I have is why didn't the victims of the actual rapist sue the county too? Surely they have a case?
It's feckin scary and drives home the point to me that the law works for people who have money and fecks over those that don't. Just look at the difference in the quality of lawyers that Avery was able to get compared to Brendan.
The second point is the trial by media thing. It's fecked up. Impossible to get an unbiased jury. Best you can hope for is that they'll have the intelligence to look at the evidence and make an unbiased decision but then I can't imagine the average IQ in that state is much higher than Brendan's.
Final word is I disagree with those that have a problem with the brother. You've got to understand that he's emotionally invested in the case unlike anyone else and wanted the evidence to fit the narrative he'd been fed. Would be interested to know what he thinks now if anyone knows?
Oh and feck me. The obviously tampered with blood vial? Are you kidding me?
Case should've been thrown out on the back of that alone. Outrageous.
Case should've been thrown out on the back of that alone. Outrageous.
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It's not on the UK one, I've watched the first three episodes on YouTube and it's not a patch on MaM so far.
I don't know how anyone could watch something similar straight after tbh. Completely draining and massively depressing.
I really don''t see the appeal
It looks like any other criminal documentary show
It looks like any other criminal documentary show
Case is tore apart and the happens to be a hole in the top of it blood vial.
Seriously, if this was a TV show people would be saying it's too stupid to be believable. As for the brother, I was one of them cussing him out tbf. Obviously he's hurting but I felt how could he be so blind what with all the non evidence, inconsistencies etc. His post court pressers had me fuming.