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Malcolm Glazer dies aged 85
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) was joined by comedian Ali Woods to look back at the best and worst moments of a rollercoaster season with the annual United Hour Awards.
Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
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a fair post, and kind of my thoughts, i hate that the glazers for putting that amount of debt in the clubs name and will never for give them for risking our club like that, even if it currently seems that thier gamble may pay off in the long run. but i agree they have been very successful in expanding united as a business.
but anyway i guess you win the argument by default as keaneroy seems to have been banned
Is it true that Malcolm Glazer was popular with Tampa fans?
Read that today in one of the papers.
Read that today in one of the papers.
With Glazer's death, some fans are disentangling their feelings for the club from their general life attitudes when it comes to business. So you have some praising Glazer for making so much money, citing his achievements as aspirational - and others who are obviously against the selfish nature of big business, taking and not giving back to the world in some way. I myself fall into the latter camp.
In terms of hating the game instead of the player; I don't understand that argument. It's like hating a cause over a symptom. There's nothing that really could've been done to stop the root of this (the club becoming a PLC); and yes people can call anti-Glazer sentiment naive as a take-over like this was inevitable. It doesn't mean that fans should lie down and accept it when it actually happens.
In terms of hating the game instead of the player; I don't understand that argument. It's like hating a cause over a symptom. There's nothing that really could've been done to stop the root of this (the club becoming a PLC); and yes people can call anti-Glazer sentiment naive as a take-over like this was inevitable. It doesn't mean that fans should lie down and accept it when it actually happens.
Good post, nemanja.
Several Tampa-based journalists refuse to discuss the Glazers when tackled on them.
Make of that what you wish.
Association Football in England is incomparable to the attitude of American Sports fans and their relationship with respective clubs, in every dimension you can conceive of. So it would not shock me
They are in mourning.
He brought them a SuperBowl, so yeah he is like santa, for them.
Those RedIssue tweets are spectacularly retarded and show up the authors for the childish feckwits that they are.
Condolences to his family. RIP.
Things were never as bad as I expected them to be under Uncle Malc.
Neither do I credit him with much that has gone right since the takeover, but its hard to know for sure without a team machine and a glimpse at alternative realities.
Last season and the one coming are the biggest challenges the Glazer family have faced since their arrival, so in a few years we may have a better idea of how committed they are to our success.
Neither do I credit him with much that has gone right since the takeover, but its hard to know for sure without a team machine and a glimpse at alternative realities.
Last season and the one coming are the biggest challenges the Glazer family have faced since their arrival, so in a few years we may have a better idea of how committed they are to our success.
Red Issue - clearly run by people with the brain of a 13 year old and the IQ of a brick.
What, I think, really will define the Glazer ownership is what happens when we are debt free. It is obvious that they are and have been running an extremely tight operation and that we are going to, at some point in the not too distant future, be debt free.
The question is what option they'll choose by then:
- Keep the club, re-invest most of the revenue (while taking out a reasonable dividend)
- Sell it for a massive profit
- Take up another mortage on it
The question is what option they'll choose by then:
- Keep the club, re-invest most of the revenue (while taking out a reasonable dividend)
- Sell it for a massive profit
- Take up another mortage on it
For me it's not as much as winning an argument on the Caf that matters, it's about pointing out the facts from the fiction. What anybody thinks of the Glazers is their business, as long as I don't get tainted with remarks such as "deplorable for defending the Glazers". I'm not defending anybody, just pointing out the facts. Let the fans of our club make opinions based upon on facts and not based upon some emotional bullshit.
It's not a suprise and I'm not wound up either, but I've never sung the jelly and ice cream song and always found it a bit stupid because I don't understand what there is to celebrate anyway - his death changes nothing for the fans or the club
The Glazers did go in and re vamp the whole team;it was one of the worst in the NFL and the new outfit went and won the Superbowl but not after they controversially sacked HC Tony Dungy who was extremely popular.
The unpopularity always stems when teams aren't seemingly in contention to win things. In American sports franchises at that level just keeping your head above water and surviving isn't enough..it's about having the ambition to actually win the Superbowl, World Series, Stanley Cup etc
Can't say I'm that bothered and in a small way he helped me move away from the greed that football (at the highest level) has become, it is sad for his family but they will get over it and I will move on with FC United, out of respect for the dead I will not give any abuse but I'm not going to shed any tears.
The only reason armageddon failed to materialise is because we have had the greatest manager of all time at the helm... When will you glazer apologists get this into your head...
The success was in spite of their ownership not because of it....
If the Glazers are to be believed then they have stated they're here for the long term. So based upon that it'll be "Keep the club, re-invest most of the revenue (while taking out a 'reasonable' dividend)". On the other hand, nothing last for ever and there is the question of whether the Glazer family as a whole will retain their harmony. If not, what will happen then?
On what basis do you make this assumption? What role did Fergie play in obtaining record increases in revenue?
He won 6 Pl and 1 Cl, which brought sponsors.
Yes, it could really go both ways. If they want to keep us long term and re-invest, then we'll be in an amazing position financially. On the other hand, we could find ourselves in turmoil. We'll see!
This makes fairly unpleasant reading too:
http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/119192/glazer-death-prompts-flurry-hate-twitter?
http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/119192/glazer-death-prompts-flurry-hate-twitter?
Someone will just point out how they've "conveniently" left out all tweets that don't mention their jewish heritage so that, somehow, will make it fine.
Undoubtedly the succes on the pitch would help attracting sponsorship. But is that the only reason? And what role did the Glazers play in allowing succes to happen on the pitch?
That's fine and you make a great point.
There is nothing wrong with being anti-anything (in this case the Glazers) and I don't think that fans should lie down.
But I think it's a little bit short sighted just blaming the Glazers and they get a lot of personal abuse for making what now appears to be a highly astute business decision. Again, they didn't kill anyone or break any laws in acquiring the club - and perhaps as a group of fans we should be more disgusted / angry towards the establishments that allowed the club to be sold in such a way.
No, it's not you still need someone to optimize your marketability.
Considering the paper it is from, they probably aren't that interested in the others.
Why does anyone care what some random morons on twitter, who nobody has ever heard of, think about anything?
I hate the way so many 'news' sources these days have resorted to telling us what complete nobodies on twitter think of situations. It's such lazy hackery.
1.What about the 9 years before they took over? Or does that not count?
2. Isn't that the minimum you expect from owners or are your expectations so low that fans should be just grateful for for the Glazers for using some of the clubs money built on the back of Fergies brillance to re-invest in the squad.
United were just as successful trophy wise and was not in 100's of million pounds in debt, before they came along.
It appears fans should bend down take it and enjoy it.....apparently.
It all seems very Ukippy to me. I hate the Glazers/immigrants because Duncan/Nigel told me to. Delete as appropriate.
There are upsides and downsides to the Glazer ownership (and immigration for that matter) but I can't help but feeling the most vocal opponents are simply following someone else's talking points.
Debt bad
Increased revenue and investment good
The PLC's record was arguably opposite. In the 13 years of the PL era before Glazer came along only 4 seasons saw significant investment and even giving existing players new contracts was as difficult as pulling your own tooth without novocaine. Yet people gloss over that by somehow painting the reality that we signed a Veron or a Ferdinand every year.
The Glazer ownership has never been ideal but it's been better equipped to meet the challenges of the sugar daddy era than the PLC would have been (see Arsenal), it's preferable than being owned by Rupert Murdoch and it's better than having an egotistical owner who wants to shape the whole club in his own image.
I see people benign to the takeover acknowledge the problem with the debt but never see anyone aggressively against it ever show they're listening to counter arguments. Instead it just essentially boils down to "so you think debt is good?" and it's just someone else's talking points, which is a bit UKIP/Fox News supporter. It's like some people are afraid of being emasculated if they see the other sides point of view so what is a rather boring issue of club finance gets turned into some kind of tribal rivalry
There are upsides and downsides to the Glazer ownership (and immigration for that matter) but I can't help but feeling the most vocal opponents are simply following someone else's talking points.
Debt bad
Increased revenue and investment good
The PLC's record was arguably opposite. In the 13 years of the PL era before Glazer came along only 4 seasons saw significant investment and even giving existing players new contracts was as difficult as pulling your own tooth without novocaine. Yet people gloss over that by somehow painting the reality that we signed a Veron or a Ferdinand every year.
The Glazer ownership has never been ideal but it's been better equipped to meet the challenges of the sugar daddy era than the PLC would have been (see Arsenal), it's preferable than being owned by Rupert Murdoch and it's better than having an egotistical owner who wants to shape the whole club in his own image.
I see people benign to the takeover acknowledge the problem with the debt but never see anyone aggressively against it ever show they're listening to counter arguments. Instead it just essentially boils down to "so you think debt is good?" and it's just someone else's talking points, which is a bit UKIP/Fox News supporter. It's like some people are afraid of being emasculated if they see the other sides point of view so what is a rather boring issue of club finance gets turned into some kind of tribal rivalry
That's the crux of it. Business and Football. At the highest level of the sport the two are synonymous and have been for a long time. Of course the Glazers are going to be figureheads, the tip of the iceberg and scapegoat for this entire culture that has emerged. I agree completely with you that the level of personal insults from some fans is despicable and obviously the mechanics were in place before they came along. But they should never be absolved of all blame just because they are a smaller part of the big picture. They should still be reviled by fans of Manchester United.
You might call me retrogressive and idealistic, as football is completely different to what it was before the advent of sky and the flood of money. Doesn't mean that the change shouldn't rankle
I think the Red Issue Twitter feed, and several of the posts in here, are nothing short of despicable. Whatever you may think of the way he and his family have run what is nothing more than a business, he was still a fellow human being and his family are mourning just as yours or mine would be. Real people with real emotions.
Some people need to get a sense of perspective.
Some people need to get a sense of perspective.
Exactly. You got nothing nice to say it then don't say it.
Yeah reading the thread here made me look on the RI twitter and it all just seems very disrespectful and full of hate. Not saying people have to love or respect the man, or even be overly sad he's not around anymore but some of the jokes were fairly horrible.
That's really lazy logic. You're comparing two distinct eras. The expansion of OT and the massive increase in income through various new media channels means that the Glazers were lucky enough to be in charge at a time when the opportunities to generate income were at an all time high. As people keep pointing out, we've absolutely no way of knowing what happens in a parallel universe where a PLC is the beneficiary of this windfall and the only outgoings are dividends which are a fraction of the money spent on paying off debt post-Glazer. There's a very good chance we would have seen more on-field success and/or less money screwed out of match-going fans.
The vice chairman who is speaking on behalf of an organisation cannot say what he pleases, he represents that organisation. In response to a man's death no comment would suffice.
Exactly, I completely agree. However, they always do seem to be the ones that take all the blame. The system that was in place that allowed them to buy the club was completely and utterly flawed and that's my main gripe - whether it was the Glazers, a Sheikh or Sir Alex himself, it should never have happened.