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His secret is safe with me, it's up to his rivals to work it out I guessI don't get it, isn't this only TRV's second draft anyway? Please share though
His secret is safe with me, it's up to his rivals to work it out I guessI don't get it, isn't this only TRV's second draft anyway? Please share though
That's what the change vote function is useful for: early feedback for managers, see how it evolves, then make up your mind. The only shame is once you vote you can't unvote, only switch it.anto changing his vote Poor Red Viper.. only 6 votes left now. Not fair that he has had to alone fend off so many questions
I agree, brilliant side. Legendary defence and b2b midfield duo and Batigol? doesn't deserve to lose in my opinion.Gio's must be the best drafted side to ever lose in a first round. I would love to watch that team, they'd be awesome, absolutely brilliant.
Didn't notice that. Was not tagged too.@Edgar Allan Pillow you never switched Gio's tactics in the OP
I think so, yes. Last time, EAP accepted withdrawn votes, if it was clearly stated in the thread. We have to count the votes at the end anyway, so I don't see why it shouldn't be allowed.22-24 if I'm correct? Is it possible to withdrawn my vote? I like Gio's team more with Costa on the pitch, but it would be unfair to vote for him because if it would've been a real game than, I believe, TRV would've already had an advantage
I thought we should have started with Rui as well, due to the partnership those two had at Fiorentina.22-24 if I'm correct? Is it possible to withdrawn my vote? I like Gio's team more with Costa on the pitch, but it would be unfair to vote for him because if it would've been a real game than, I believe, TRV would've already had an advantage
Better tag @Annahnomoss and @Edgar Allan Pillow , so that they know it if they do the counting in the end.Then I'm withdrawing it
I'm in the same place but on the other side of the equation as I did switch, call it evens.22-24 if I'm correct? Is it possible to withdrawn my vote? I like Gio's team more with Costa on the pitch, but it would be unfair to vote for him because if it would've been a real game than, I believe, TRV would've already had an advantage
Which teams in Serie-A played a high defensive line in the nineties?Here are some of the defenders who Batistuta has scored against, mainly playing for Fiorentina against superior, higher-line playing teams:
No, no, no. I am not denying he is a bigger threat in terms of pace on the counters than Batigol. That is why Puyol there to handle him and I mentioned yesterday how he will deal with him even if he is dragged out wide. Klinsi was a powerful runner. But my point was, that Barca defence at its peak faced a similar player in terms of movement and physicality but much better palyer in Cristiano who had much better control and was more pacy. Yet, it reduced Cristiano's impact on the game to a good extent. You don't think it can reduce Klinsi's impact?Are you joking? He is perfect for that.
Seriously, what's the score with Klinsmann? In the last draft I also faced him with a high line and not a single soul emphasised Klinsmann. It was all about Batistuta and Klinsmann being asked to drop deep to help press my midfield. "Lovely", I wrote and nobody questioned or revisited that.
I'd rather play a high line against Romario than Klinsmann!
Not high lines by default, but I think he refers to how superior teams would push up and end up playing with a high line against Fiorentina. It would be the case on occasion, but it's not like Fiorentina were a bus-parking relegation side.Which teams in Serie-A played a high defensive line in the nineties?
When you put it like that, it's fair enough. I pointed out earlier Puyol was a beast and not to be underrated in this setup. I don't think the high line reduces Klinsmann's influence though, it's just part of how you set up, has pros and cons but you have the right personnel for it.No, no, no. I am not denying he is a bigger threat in terms of pace on the counters than Batigol. That is why Puyol there to handle him and I mentioned yesterday how he will deal with him even if he is dragged out wide. Klinsi was a powerful runner. But my point was, that Barca defence at its peak faced a similar player in terms of movement and physicality but much better palyer in Cristiano who had much better control and was more pacy. Yet, it reduced Cristiano's impact on the game to a good extent. You don't think it can reduce Klinsi's impact?
Matthaus was, but like Rui Costa, he also would have to deal with the sort of pressing he never has.Matthaus in particular was a fantastic passer TRV and he would offer plenty of offensive threat breaking forward past Busquets.
As always I think a lot of what you say is correct TRV, so I'm not trying to pick too many arguments here.Matthaus was, but like Rui Costa, he also would have to deal with the sort of pressing he never has.
You mean the Passarella who was past his peak?We've got important partnerships too as well as Rui Costa - Batistuta, such as Zenga - Passarella - Ferri - crucial in that area of the park. And there's Klinsmann and Matthaus, two players who absolutely got the best out of each other.
Nah, Passarella did very well for Trapattoni. He scored loads of goals and marshalled the defence in the same manner as he is doing here. Here in March 1986/87 is the average rating of the top players in Serie A for that season:You mean the Passarella who was past his peak?
No offence mate, but I am amazed how you can get away with having Passarella who was clearly past his peak here, against arguably the best club footballer(attacker) of all time. Passarella was a good defender but nowhere near the player he was for River.
The Barca midfield was poor against Real Madrid. It has been for the last one and half odd years, especially with Xavi declining and Iniesta not being in rhythm due to niggling injuries here and there. From a tactical point of view, under Lucho, Barca haven't been pressing aggressively like they used to. They have become more passing and laid-back with their pressing. I don't know if you saw LvG' quotes regarding their pressing under Lucho but it highlights it. Also, where, Madrid annihilated Barca. Not just this game but also the games in the last couple of seasons has been from that left flank of theirs. Last week, it was Marcelo. In the last couple of season, it has been Di Maria and Cristiano sometimes. Alves' positioning has become poor and he doesn't show the same level of effort as he used to in his peak when it comes to tracking back. Madrid as well as Bayern when they defeated them, exploited that area vigorously and that made Barca fold.As always I think a lot of what you say is correct TRV, so I'm not trying to pick too many arguments here.
I don't think Matthaus would struggle getting pressed though - I really disagree with that. He was fantastic on the ball.
I don't think you would see 70% possession figures either, as I don't think Iniesta/Xavi would be constantly winning the ball from Matthaus/Tardelli the way they could against far inferior players. And then on the flip side, I think Matthaus/Tardelli are fitter, better, ball winners themselves than the norm that Barca side faced.
Pep's side never came up against a midfield like this, which is effectively two of the very best the 80's/90's have to offer. We saw on Saturday how Busquets couldn't get to grips with players like James Rodriguez - I know it's just one game but my point is that they're facing a level of competition they have never faced before, so we can't assume the game would play out the way it does against worse teams.
The Matthaus example is one of the better ones, as Iniesta running towards him isn't going to draw the same type of errors as it did against much worse footballers.
It was a strong league but how many top attackers did he face in that time? Diego's Napoli was the only one. Juventus didn't have Boniek anymore and Platini wasn't the same player as he had a disappointing season by his reputation and ultimately retired. Milan still hadn't acquired either Van Basten or Gullit then either.Nah, Passarella did very well for Trapattoni. He scored loads of goals and marshalled the defence in the same manner as he is doing here. Here in March 1986/87 is the average rating of the top players in Serie A for that season:
6,81 F. Baresi (Milan)
6,80 Zenga (Inter)
6,72 Manfredonia (Juventus)
6,66 Magrin (Atalanta)
6,62 Virdis (Milan)
6,58 Passarella (Inter)
6,55 Ancelotti (Roma)
6,52 Tacconi (Juventus)
6,51 Renica (Napoli)
6,50 Romano (Napoli)
He's 6th out of the whole league. And that was a strong, strong league.
I am clueless here. Enlighten me in the PM please.His secret is safe with me, it's up to his rivals to work it out I guess
Nah the Passarella point is a moot one. Perhaps by the time he retired you would have a case. But his best season in Serie A was 1985/86 when he had the second highest rating of any player in the league. He continued that form into 1986/87 when he was one of the standout players in the league (see above) and Inter conceded just 17 goals all season.It was a strong league but how many top attackers did he face in that time? Diego's Napoli was the only one. Juventus didn't have Boniek anymore and Platini wasn't the same player as he had a disappointing season by his reputation and ultimately retired. Milan still hadn't acquired either Van Basten or Gullit then either.
Consider the pace and penetration he would be up against here. Even at his peak, Passarella was suspect against players with great burst of pace as he was relatively slow on the turn. Here, against players like Messi, Robben and Iniesta, who could turn on a dime and have great burst of pace, he would be facing trouble.
Again. The attack he faced that season wouldn't be anywhere near close to the attack he is facing now. Do you disagree with that?Nah the Passarella point is a moot one. Perhaps by the time he retired you would have a case. But his best season in Serie A was 1985/86 when he had the second highest rating of any player in the league. He continued that form into 1986/87 when he was one of the standout players in the league (see above) and Inter conceded just 17 goals all season.
Passarella spent his whole career snuffing out great strikers, winning the World Cup in the process. He was still at or close to his best in 1986 so there's little evidence to suggest he wasn't capable.Again. The attack he faced that season wouldn't be anywhere near close to the attack he is facing now. Do you disagree with that?
Juve and Milan were going through a transition. Diego's Napoli were great but Careca hadn't joined him then and he was the only match-winner in that team.
That's harsh on Trap's Inter side that beat Sacchi's Milan at the height of their powers to a league title in 88/89 without conceding a goal in both games against them. I don't think you can say, Matthäus never faced strong pressing and everything that comes with it.Because none of them would have dealt with this sort pf pressing or link-up play, where the understanding between the players is almost telepathic.
Paolo is a manager with double votes. TRV leads by YOUR withdrawn voteGio 22 - TRV 21.
But not when he was at Inter Milan.Passarella spent his whole career snuffing out great strikers, winning the World Cup in the process. He was still at or close to his best in 1986 so there's little evidence to suggest he wasn't capable.
Really it's not Passarella but Pique who we should be looking at here.
On what basis though? He was the 6th best player in Serie A in 1986/87. He scored truckloads of goals, some absolute screamers, and was a huge threat at set-pieces. And he marshalled a defence that conceded a mere 17 goals all season!But not when he was at Inter Milan.
I disagree that Passarella was at his best or close to it. Passarella's best was with River. He was a good defender with Fiorentina and later, Inter but nothing more. His performances at Inter wouldn't make him to be considered a world-class defender.
I remember reading about Gullit's injury troubles, otherwise how he could ahve been in that level of Platini, Zico and Maradona etc. So, I just checked. Gullit didn't start in both the games. Without Gullit, their axis of Rijkaard - Gullit - Van Basten isn't the same though.That's harsh on Trap's Inter side that beat Sacchi's Milan at the height of their powers to a league title in 88/89 without conceding a goal in both games against them. I don't think you can say, Matthäus never faced strong pressing and everything that comes with it.