Marco Rose | OFFICIAL: Joining Dortmund at the end of the season

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Apparently the release clause is €75m.

Maybe if a certain team who have no hope of winning the race for him when his clause becomes active were to offer a little shy of double, say €130m, it could be a winner for everyone involved.
Doesn't really sound logical. IF a certain team have no hope of winning the race for him when the clause becomes active, you'd assume the reason for that lack of hope is that he doesn't want to go there.
And then, what difference does a higher transfer fee make?
 

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Doesn't really sound logical. IF a certain team have no hope of winning the race for him when the clause becomes active, you'd assume the reason for that lack of hope is that he doesn't want to go there.
And then, what difference does a higher transfer fee make?
Feeling wanted? :D
 

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Doesn't really sound logical. IF a certain team have no hope of winning the race for him when the clause becomes active, you'd assume the reason for that lack of hope is that he doesn't want to go there.
And then, what difference does a higher transfer fee make?
To the selling club pressuring him to leave considering the financial benefit of getting rid before clause becomes active...
 

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To the selling club pressuring him to leave considering the financial benefit of getting rid before clause becomes active...
Dortmund will not be pressuring Haaland to leave this summer.
 

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He's not even going to last til the season's end :lol: :lol:
Relegation form with no signs of it ending!
 

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6 straight defeats since his move became public

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So you put this solely on a coach who has secured a move from a small club to a bigger and better club, and not on the players? They haven’t downed tools whatsoever? Only bad tactics and not anyyything to do with players not giving a shit as the boss is leaving?

Letting the manager stay for the rest of the season is an incredibly stupid decision by the club. Even if he didn’t join Dortmund right away they should have let him go and let the reserve team manager do the job for the rest of the season.
 

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So you put this solely on a coach who has secured a move from a small club to a bigger and better club, and not on the players? They haven’t downed tools whatsoever? Only bad tactics and not anyyything to do with players not giving a shit as the boss is leaving?

Letting the manager stay for the rest of the season is an incredibly stupid decision by the club. Even if he didn’t join Dortmund right away they should have let him go and let the reserve team manager do the job for the rest of the season.
It's his job to get the team to perform. Of course it's on him.
 

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So you put this solely on a coach who has secured a move from a small club to a bigger and better club, and not on the players? They haven’t downed tools whatsoever? Only bad tactics and not anyyything to do with players not giving a shit as the boss is leaving?

Letting the manager stay for the rest of the season is an incredibly stupid decision by the club. Even if he didn’t join Dortmund right away they should have let him go and let the reserve team manager do the job for the rest of the season.
Agreed with this.
 

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Don't know much about the situation or individual but bloody hell, who thought it would be a good idea to either agree/make a deal like this public before season ends. Boggles the mind as the risk just wasn't worth it.
I doubt they had much choice. Dortmund is an AG, they are legally obliged to share important information regarding the future of the club with their shareholders.

Also, imagine Terzic doing fine with Dortmund while they secretly secured Rose without public knowledge. Then you have to explain why they don't trust a young coach who's went through the ranks of the club and proved himself in the first. They went with honesty, can't blame them. Gladbach, too. They behaved like professionals.

And I doubt the crisis is down to Rose. Gladbach showed some good performances but lost anyway. They were already underachieving before the deal became public. I blame the Corona season, we are currently witnessing lots of teams switching between inexplicable patches of great and atrocious form.

Also worth mentioning that this Gladbach team actually has no right to be in the CL. The squad screams mediocrity. I struggle to see any player in their ranks who has the potential to play for a top club bar maybe Zakaria. This squad is far worse in terms of individual quality than it used to be under Rose's successors. I don't think it's a top 5 Bundesliga team in terms of individual quality.
 

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I doubt they had much choice. Dortmund is an AG, they are legally obliged to share important information regarding the future of the club with their shareholders.

Also, imagine Terzic doing fine with Dortmund while they secretly secured Rose without public knowledge. Then you have to explain why they don't trust a young coach who's went through the ranks of the club and proved himself in the first. They went with honesty, can't blame them. Gladbach, too. They behaved like professionals.

And I doubt the crisis is down to Rose. Gladbach showed some good performances but lost anyway. They were already underachieving before the deal became public. I blame the Corona season, we are currently witnessing lots of teams switching between inexplicable patches of great and atrocious form.

Also worth mentioning that this Gladbach team actually has no right to be in the CL. The squad screams mediocrity. I struggle to see any player in their ranks who has the potential to play for a top club bar maybe Zakaria. This squad is far worse in terms of individual quality than it used to be under Rose's successors. I don't think it's a top 5 Bundesliga team in terms of individual quality.
People love to overstate Dortmund's duty to inform shareholders. If need be they'd agree terms per hand shake with Rose and delay the formal signing until season's end. It was 100% Gladbach, who unilaterally broke the news on Rosenmontag.

Gladbach have a good first team (proven by their CL results), but little depth. So currently they are getting sandwiched by the demands of playing three competitions and the compressed Corona schedule as well as Rose's departure killing their psychological momentum.

Nothing much to see here. The only drama that keeps growing is Eberl's determination to sit this out.
 

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I doubt they had much choice. Dortmund is an AG, they are legally obliged to share important information regarding the future of the club with their shareholders.

Also, imagine Terzic doing fine with Dortmund while they secretly secured Rose without public knowledge. Then you have to explain why they don't trust a young coach who's went through the ranks of the club and proved himself in the first. They went with honesty, can't blame them. Gladbach, too. They behaved like professionals.

And I doubt the crisis is down to Rose. Gladbach showed some good performances but lost anyway. They were already underachieving before the deal became public. I blame the Corona season, we are currently witnessing lots of teams switching between inexplicable patches of great and atrocious form.

Also worth mentioning that this Gladbach team actually has no right to be in the CL. The squad screams mediocrity. I struggle to see any player in their ranks who has the potential to play for a top club bar maybe Zakaria. This squad is far worse in terms of individual quality than it used to be under Rose's successors. I don't think it's a top 5 Bundesliga team in terms of individual quality.
Terzic wins the DFB-Pokal, maybe a CL semi-final and gets the CL place over the league too.

Rose will be sacked soon or Mönchengladbach will finish the season on place 11/12/13.

Rose will be under massive pressure the whole time with Terzic as assistant coach :D
 

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People love to overstate Dortmund's duty to inform shareholders. If need be they'd agree terms per hand shake with Rose and delay the formal signing until season's end. It was 100% Gladbach, who unilaterally broke the news on Rosenmontag.

Gladbach have a good first team (proven by their CL results), but little depth. So currently they are getting sandwiched by the demands of playing three competitions and the compressed Corona schedule as well as Rose's departure killing their psychological momentum.

Nothing much to see here. The only drama that keeps growing is Eberl's determination to sit this out.
Well, legally they could be held accountable for that and maybe even get sued. Anyway, Gladbach was eager to be transparent with it. And Eberl's stand to sit it out actually represents his general approach to managing a football club: Don't do what's popular or what media and fans demand, instead be analytical. There are many contributing factors to their crisis and I agree with him that Rose isn't the leading one. They're not prepared for three competitions, especially since they already need to punch above their weight anyway. I believe Gladbach fans will be in for a disappointment next season if they can't improve the squad significantly.

And who do you think of their first team is actually good? Zakaria is a great player but was out injured for the majority of time. The defense is average. Neuhaus is decent but nothing special. And the attack? Hofmann despite being an average footballer is key to it. Thuram is decent, too, but also nothing special. Embolo and Plea are average. Stindl is 32 and even four years ago it's questionable if he possessed the quality for a CL team. If you offered me Gladbach's squad or Frankfurt's, I'd go for Frankfurt.

Rose overachieved with this squad. Securing a CL spot was a fantastic achievement and the performances in the CL were also great.
 

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I doubt they had much choice. Dortmund is an AG, they are legally obliged to share important information regarding the future of the club with their shareholders.

Also, imagine Terzic doing fine with Dortmund while they secretly secured Rose without public knowledge. Then you have to explain why they don't trust a young coach who's went through the ranks of the club and proved himself in the first. They went with honesty, can't blame them. Gladbach, too. They behaved like professionals.

And I doubt the crisis is down to Rose. Gladbach showed some good performances but lost anyway. They were already underachieving before the deal became public. I blame the Corona season, we are currently witnessing lots of teams switching between inexplicable patches of great and atrocious form.

Also worth mentioning that this Gladbach team actually has no right to be in the CL. The squad screams mediocrity. I struggle to see any player in their ranks who has the potential to play for a top club bar maybe Zakaria. This squad is far worse in terms of individual quality than it used to be under Rose's successors. I don't think it's a top 5 Bundesliga team in terms of individual quality.
You 'doubt the crisis is down to Rose'? :lol:
 

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Well, it is.
In their last five games, they played Dortmund, Leverkusen, Leipzig and City. Those four teams have significantly better squads than Gladbach, yet some games were quite open. They have a thin squad that punched above it's weight anyway and until recently were still in three competitions during an incredibly tight Corona schedule. It's easy to point the finger at the coach but I doubt even Pep Guardiola would get better results under these circumstances.
 

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In their last five games, they played Dortmund, Leverkusen, Leipzig and City. Those four teams have significantly better squads than Gladbach, yet some games were quite open. They have a thin squad that punched above it's weight anyway and until recently were still in three competitions during an incredibly tight Corona schedule. It's easy to point the finger at the coach but I doubt even Pep Guardiola would get better results under these circumstances.
Since they've last won a game, they also lost to Augsburg, Mainz and Köln. You can't be so deluded as to not realize that this is down to Rose's shenanigans and nothing else.
As for the last sentence, go wash out your mouth with soap.
 

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Since they've last won a game, they also lost to Augsburg, Mainz and Köln. You can't be so deluded as to not realize that this is down to Rose's shenanigans and nothing else.
As for the last sentence, go wash out your mouth with soap.
Gladbach has a first eleven that isn't strong enough for their ambitions and not enough depth for three competitions. What do you expect during a Corona season? The same happened to us because of injuries. Gladbach isn't the only team falling apart, there are actually cases like this in every league. You need to look no further than Liverpool. Will we also put a question mark behind Klopp's quality? Also, how do you explain that the team was already in a downwards spiral way before Rose's departure was announced?

The fact of the matter is, this season is unprecedented and Gladbach not only went into it unprepared, they would've needed to punch above their weight to achieve their objectives anyway. Now they're paying the price for it. It probably would've been better for them to go out in CL and cup earlier than they did. It's no coincidence that we've seen so many teams swinging between great and absolutely atrocious form in the last five months.
 

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Yeah, 6/6 defeats after the announcement and 7 defeats and a draw in last 8 games. Lost to Koln, Augsburg and Mainz. They will play against City and Schalke next. Losing to Schalke will just complete them. That's the only missing piece for now.
 

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Well, legally they could be held accountable for that and maybe even get sued. Anyway, Gladbach was eager to be transparent with it. And Eberl's stand to sit it out actually represents his general approach to managing a football club: Don't do what's popular or what media and fans demand, instead be analytical. There are many contributing factors to their crisis and I agree with him that Rose isn't the leading one. They're not prepared for three competitions, especially since they already need to punch above their weight anyway. I believe Gladbach fans will be in for a disappointment next season if they can't improve the squad significantly.

And who do you think of their first team is actually good? Zakaria is a great player but was out injured for the majority of time. The defense is average. Neuhaus is decent but nothing special. And the attack? Hofmann despite being an average footballer is key to it. Thuram is decent, too, but also nothing special. Embolo and Plea are average. Stindl is 32 and even four years ago it's questionable if he possessed the quality for a CL team. If you offered me Gladbach's squad or Frankfurt's, I'd go for Frankfurt.

Rose overachieved with this squad. Securing a CL spot was a fantastic achievement and the performances in the CL were also great.
I read that about every transfer and some of them are probably negotiated months in advance, but the corporate news still only reports when the contract is signed. I mean imagine what would be the opposite: reporting at the time of "here we go" and then someone changes his mind (e.g. Mkhitaryan) or gets injured and you've just manipulated your stock price? Going by the reports some form of agreement was probably in place since Favre got sacked, or even before. If Eberl had not acted, Dortmund would've no commented this until season's end.

"decent" and "average" relative to what? Those guys you've listed (plus Ginter, Elvedi, Plea and Bensebaini) are great players for a team of Gladbach's standing. They have a very good first team, as their results in the CL and wins against Bayern, Leipzig, Dortmund prove and in comparison Frankfurt only have like 4 or 5 players on that level themselves. The difference is that Die Adler vom Main have fresh legs, because they don't play in Europe and they had an absolutely bonkers purple patch, that has been ended by two midtable teams. Their true level will be determined by what happens now.

If Gladbach were where Leverkusen and Dortmund are currently in the table then that would be reasonable, given the effect of the schedule. But they are 6 to 9 points behind even that bench mark. Rose's move seems to have pulled the plug mentally, from a team that was already struggling physically. It seems like he could get some decent performances out of them for the cup game - a shot at silverware or personal glory on the big stage probably being good motivators. But in the league the team just seems indifferent.

Other than the €5m from Dortmund being at stake - and you have to wonder how much that is worth weighted against the losses of finishing in no man's land - I really don't see what Eberl is waiting for. The reason why results are this bad is psychological and the guy who is supposed to change that has already signed for a competitor.
Meanwhile fans are foaming at the mouth, if they were allowed in the stadiums this would've ended weeks ago. Yet Eberl is like the personification of the "this is fine" meme.
If it's about the money the time has come to just say so, even if it's only indirectly via the press.
 
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I doubt they had much choice. Dortmund is an AG, they are legally obliged to share important information regarding the future of the club with their shareholders.

Also, imagine Terzic doing fine with Dortmund while they secretly secured Rose without public knowledge. Then you have to explain why they don't trust a young coach who's went through the ranks of the club and proved himself in the first. They went with honesty, can't blame them. Gladbach, too. They behaved like professionals.

And I doubt the crisis is down to Rose. Gladbach showed some good performances but lost anyway. They were already underachieving before the deal became public. I blame the Corona season, we are currently witnessing lots of teams switching between inexplicable patches of great and atrocious form.

Also worth mentioning that this Gladbach team actually has no right to be in the CL. The squad screams mediocrity. I struggle to see any player in their ranks who has the potential to play for a top club bar maybe Zakaria. This squad is far worse in terms of individual quality than it used to be under Rose's successors. I don't think it's a top 5 Bundesliga team in terms of individual quality.
Yep all fair points
 

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Also, imagine Terzic doing fine with Dortmund while they secretly secured Rose without public knowledge. Then you have to explain why they don't trust a young coach who's went through the ranks of the club and proved himself in the first. They went with honesty, can't blame them. Gladbach, too. They behaved like professionals.
I think everyone understands if you don't trust a big club to someone who is, at that level, inexperienced, just because he steadied the ship and gives a "he's one of us, he get's the club" vibe.

And if Terzic wins the cup now or makes it even further in the CL it will be a weird situation anyway to have the club "force" him on Rose's coaching team. Especially if it does turn out that some players like his leadership better.

Oh well. I guess he won’t be a better fit for Utd then
It's true that neither coach has silverware going for them, but on the plus side he has made it out of his CL group. So I guess the answer to your question is a "maybe"?
 
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I read that about every transfer and some of them are probably negotiated months in advance, but the corporate news still only reports when the contract is signed. I mean imagine what would be the opposite: reporting at the time of "here we go" and then someone changes his mind (e.g. Mkhitaryan) or gets injured and you've just manipulated your stock price? Going by the reports some form of agreement was probably in place since Favre got sacked, or even before. If Eberl had not acted, Dortmund would've no commented this until season's end.

"decent" and "average" relative to what? Those guys you've listed (plus Ginter, Elvedi, Plea and Bensebaini) are great players for a team of Gladbach's standing. They have a very good first team, as their results in the CL and wins against Bayern, Leipzig, Dortmund prove and in comparison Frankfurt only have like 4 or 5 players on that level themselves. The difference is that Die Adler vom Main have fresh legs, because they don't play in Europe and they had an absolutely bonkers purple patch, that has been ended by two midtable teams. Their true level will be determined by what happens now.

If Gladbach were where Leverkusen and Dortmund are currently in the table then that would be reasonable, given the effect of the schedule. But they are 6 to 9 points behind even that bench mark. Rose's move seems to have pulled the plug mentally, from a team that was already struggling physically. It seems like he could get some decent performances out of them for the cup game - a shot at silverware or personal glory on the big stage probably being good motivators. But in the league the team just seems indifferent.

Other than the €5m from Dortmund being at stake - and you have to wonder how much that is worth weighted against the losses of finishing in no man's land - I really don't see what Eberl is waiting for. The reason why results are this bad is psychological and the guy who is supposed to change that has already signed for a competitor.
Meanwhile fans are foaming at the mouth, if they were allowed in the stadiums this would've ended weeks ago. Yet Eberl is like the personification of the "this is fine" meme.
If it's about the money the time has come to just say so, even if it's only indirectly via the press.
It is actually quite simple. If they make a binding deal, they have to communicate it. As long as they are fine with the other side having the option to rescind the agreement easily, they can keep quiet. I don't think they have much leeway if they don't want to be vulnerable to legal troubles. I also think the Rose signing was already more or less secure before they sacked Favre but I doubt they would've waited until season's end to communicate it.Moreover, I think you underestimate how tribal fans and especially ultras can be. Solskjaer for example can count on strong support from the basis. He would've had a much harder job if he wasn't a United legend. By communicating the Rose signing early, the fans don't get used to the thought that "one of them" will remain their head coach. Rose will have it difficult anyway, but it would've been harder if they demoted him suddenly after fans speculated he could be the head coach of a new era or something like that.

Also, I think you're mixing up individual quality and team quality right now. Of course Gladbach is a good team but that's primarily down to Rose. Their squad is significantly worse than that of the other top 5 clubs and I don't think one can really debate that. Apart from Zakaria and maybe Ginter I don't see any of their players securing a starting spot in the starting eleven of Leverkusen, let alone Dortmund or Leipzig. I'd take a couple of Frankfurt's players (Jovic, Andre Silva, Younes, Kostic, maybe even Kamada) though. I think how Rose had them playing in the CL and how he performed in last season's Bundesliga is a superb achievement.

Also, I don't think Eberl holds on to Rose because of the fee. Coaches aren't sacked in the actual meaning of the word anyway. He would "relieve Rose of his duties" and continue the payments to him anyway if he were to replace him immediately. That means he's still contracted and Dortmund would still have to pay the fee. Unless Dortmund changes its mind and suddenly trusts Terzic to do the job long term, they'd still pay the 5m. They'd look like fools and highly unprofessional if they confirmed his arrival next season and then didn't sign him because Gladbach relieved him of his duties and they don't want to pay anymore. Not only to the public but also to all the coaches out there. It would ruin their reputation as a reliable contract partner.
 

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They have a very good first team, as their results in the CL and wins against Bayern, Leipzig, Dortmund prove and in comparison Frankfurt only have like 4 or 5 players on that level themselves. The difference is that Die Adler vom Main have fresh legs, because they don't play in Europe and they had an absolutely bonkers purple patch, that has been ended by two midtable teams. Their true level will be determined by what happens now.
Now you're really just doing it for the WUM of it, aren't you? Or is it to muddle your tracks?

Or is this going to become your media persona gimmick now, like mine where I tell you: true or not true?
 

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It is actually quite simple. If they make a binding deal, they have to communicate it. As long as they are fine with the other side having the option to rescind the agreement easily, they can keep quiet. I don't think they have much leeway if they don't want to be vulnerable to legal troubles. I also think the Rose signing was already more or less secure before they sacked Favre but I doubt they would've waited until season's end to communicate it.Moreover, I think you underestimate how tribal fans and especially ultras can be. Solskjaer for example can count on strong support from the basis. He would've had a much harder job if he wasn't a United legend. By communicating the Rose signing early, the fans don't get used to the thought that "one of them" will remain their head coach. Rose will have it difficult anyway, but it would've been harder if they demoted him suddenly after fans speculated he could be the head coach of a new era or something like that.
Which is at the moment the pens come out, which is what I said isn't it? It's also not what happened with the Rose announcement, since at least back then the transfer wasn't formalized. But Gladbach's announcement forced the other Borussia to respond.

And the club made it clear Terzic was not mean to last longer than this season from the start, they don't need official announcements to manage that expectation. In the end it all depends on whether Rose has his team playing good football anyway. If he does people will like him and if he doesn't they won't and if Terzic manages to earn himself somewhat of a serious reputation in the upcoming weeks, then that will be held against Rose no matter how communications go, if the latter doesn't perform.


Also, I think you're mixing up individual quality and team quality right now. Of course Gladbach is a good team but that's primarily down to Rose. Their squad is significantly worse than that of the other top 5 clubs and I don't think one can really debate that. Apart from Zakaria and maybe Ginter I don't see any of their players securing a starting spot in the starting eleven of Leverkusen, let alone Dortmund or Leipzig. I'd take a couple of Frankfurt's players (Jovic, Andre Silva, Younes, Kostic, maybe even Kamada) though. I think how Rose had them playing in the CL and how he performed in last season's Bundesliga is a superb achievement.
I mean those Gladbach players aren't superstars, but leaving aside their current problems of form I think Sommer would start at Dortmund and be a huge upgrade at Leverkusen, I think both Elvedi and Ginter would be at least the second best CB at Leverkusen, I think Bensebaini would start at Leverkusen and Dortmund, too if Guerreiro is moved to midfield, maybe at Leipzig, if they play a back four. I think Lainer, while not the most talented footballer in the world, would have played a lot of minutes at Leverkusen and leaving aside "big/expensive" name bonus probably at Dortmund, possibly some at Leipzig. I think Neuhaus could start for everyone but Bayern and even there he'd be a very welcomed backup in midfield. The same can be said about Zakaria, though Witsel might put up some resistance at Dortmund. Stindl, as sad as it is to say, is probably the better Reus this season, Bosz would kill to have a leader in attack, Leipzig could do with him as well, to get some goals from midfield, if Angelino has an off day. With the other attackers it's harder to say. Plea appears to be a streaky player: the guy who scored 5 and assisted 4 in the CL groupstages or the plea of his first Hinrunde in Germany would be welcome to a lot of clubs, the Plea who played in Bundesliga this season not so much. The same can be said about Thuram, though with his physical prowess I'm sure the other teams would find some minutes for him. The Hofmann of this season, who brings both high work rate and a good output is probably a player most coaches would like to have in their squad, the Hofmann before that probably not so much.



Also, I don't think Eberl holds on to Rose because of the fee. Coaches aren't sacked in the actual meaning of the word anyway. He would "relieve Rose of his duties" and continue the payments to him anyway if he were to replace him immediately. That means he's still contracted and Dortmund would still have to pay the fee. Unless Dortmund changes its mind and suddenly trusts Terzic to do the job long term, they'd still pay the 5m. They'd look like fools and highly unprofessional if they confirmed his arrival next season and then didn't sign him because Gladbach relieved him of his duties and they don't want to pay anymore. Not only to the public but also to all the coaches out there. It would ruin their reputation as a reliable contract partner.
I have discussed this with another user earlier. The whole "relieve of duties" stuff happens, because labor protection laws don't allow clubs to just void contracts when they feel like it. But keeping someone on gardening leave, so they can't pursue a job opportunity elsewhere is the literal opposite of that in spirit. I don't know how the law sees this, but it wouldn't surprise me if Rose could sue Gladbach if that was the case, the same ways players have sued their clubs after being excluded from team training.
And if that's not the case, then why persist with Rose? Signing for a competitor and 8 bad results in a row is more than enough cause for a sacking. It's not like this would give Gladbach a bad reputation for being petty. Why sit out this crisis togeether, insead of making a short-term oriented change, when Rose's future lies elsewhere?


Now you're really just doing it for the WUM of it, aren't you? Or is it to muddle your tracks?

Or is this going to become your media persona gimmick now, like mine where I tell you: true or not true?
I'm just trying to prevent a second Wolfsberger incident, before it's too late.
 

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Which is at the moment the pens come out, which is what I said isn't it? It's also not what happened with the Rose announcement, since at least back then the transfer wasn't formalized. But Gladbach's announcement forced the other Borussia to respond.
Not really. If they shake hands that's already binding, even if it's hard to prove in front of a court. However, I doubt Dortmund would've waited with the signing of the contract until the end of the season. As long as the contract isn'tsigned, there's still a risk Rose might end up elsewhere.

And the club made it clear Terzic was not mean to last longer than this season from the start, they don't need official announcements to manage that expectation. In the end it all depends on whether Rose has his team playing good football anyway. If he does people will like him and if he doesn't they won't and if Terzic manages to earn himself somewhat of a serious reputation in the upcoming weeks, then that will be held against Rose no matter how communications go, if the latter doesn't perform.
Yes, they made it clear and your argument is reasonable but fans aren't.

I mean those Gladbach players aren't superstars, but leaving aside their current problems of form I think Sommer would start at Dortmund and be a huge upgrade at Leverkusen, I think both Elvedi and Ginter would be at least the second best CB at Leverkusen, I think Bensebaini would start at Leverkusen and Dortmund, too if Guerreiro is moved to midfield, maybe at Leipzig, if they play a back four. I think Lainer, while not the most talented footballer in the world, would have played a lot of minutes at Leverkusen and leaving aside "big/expensive" name bonus probably at Dortmund, possibly some at Leipzig. I think Neuhaus could start for everyone but Bayern and even there he'd be a very welcomed backup in midfield. The same can be said about Zakaria, though Witsel might put up some resistance at Dortmund. Stindl, as sad as it is to say, is probably the better Reus this season, Bosz would kill to have a leader in attack, Leipzig could do with him as well, to get some goals from midfield, if Angelino has an off day. With the other attackers it's harder to say. Plea appears to be a streaky player: the guy who scored 5 and assisted 4 in the CL groupstages or the plea of his first Hinrunde in Germany would be welcome to a lot of clubs, the Plea who played in Bundesliga this season not so much. The same can be said about Thuram, though with his physical prowess I'm sure the other teams would find some minutes for him. The Hofmann of this season, who brings both high work rate and a good output is probably a player most coaches would like to have in their squad, the Hofmann before that probably not so much.
Sommer is a good shout, I always tend to forget the goal keepers in such discussions. Anyway, I think you overrate many of Gladbach's players. I believe most of them only look good because of the system they play. They'll be back to average once Rose is gone (if his successor isn't of a similar quality at least). We've seen as much with Nagelsmann and Klopp teams. You need to look no further than Demirbay for us. The previous Gladbach teams had genuine quality with players like Thorgan Hazard, Reus, Raffael, Arango, Herrmann (before the injuries), Dahoud, Xhaka, Kruse, Ter Stegen, Dante, etc. I would've taken most of these names at Leverkusen in a hard beat. That's not the case currently.


I have discussed this with another user earlier. The whole "relieve of duties" stuff happens, because labor protection laws don't allow clubs to just void contracts when they feel like it. But keeping someone on gardening leave, so they can't pursue a job opportunity elsewhere is the literal opposite of that in spirit. I don't know how the law sees this, but it wouldn't surprise me if Rose could sue Gladbach if that was the case, the same ways players have sued their clubs after being excluded from team training.
Might be the case, I don't know. Anyway, I don't think it would come that far. They'd probably settle at around 80% of the fee or something like that.


And if that's not the case, then why persist with Rose? Signing for a competitor and 8 bad results in a row is more than enough cause for a sacking. It's not like this would give Gladbach a bad reputation for being petty. Why sit out this crisis togeether, insead of making a short-term oriented change, when Rose's future lies elsewhere?
Probably because Eberl is of the same opinion as me and believes the coach is not to blame and that a proper replacement is very hard to find ;)
 

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And why would you even want to 'leave aside their current problems of form' when judging the manager's work? They are clearly part of his record and of his performance, aren't they?
He's quite clearly not overperforming with this Gladbach side seeing that they are 10th in the table.
 

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It Dortmund do something crazy like win the champions League it would be mad then to see Rose become manager with the current one being a coach?
 

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It Dortmund do something crazy like win the champions League it would be mad then to see Rose become manager with the current one being a coach?
I think that would be a bridge that BVB will happily cross once they get there :lol:
 

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And why would you even want to 'leave aside their current problems of form' when judging the manager's work? They are clearly part of his record and of his performance, aren't they?
He's quite clearly not overperforming with this Gladbach side seeing that they are 10th in the table.
Form is influenced by factor's outside of the coach's control. Not sure if you're taking the piss and just want me to repeat my previous answers as often as possible to be honest :nervous: