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I agree that we have to see if we can make it work for him on the right.He's only a viable option wide if it's the right wing; he's terrible at inverting from the left.
Now Pogba is out, Jose should show some balls and sit Herrera deep next to Matic, and unleash Rashford, Martial and Lukaku as a front 3 with Mkhitaryan (or Lingard if he wants the additional legs) behind them.
No he wouldn't he would be playing at Leicester City.If Guardiola managed Rashford , Rashford would be playing as a striker day in day out.
Agree to disagree here. Rashford is no less.Disagree on both fronts.
Don't think he's as good as Jesus.
He is playing at united. Do you mean Leicester are better?No he wouldn't he would be playing at Leicester City.
I mean look how good Pep is at managing home grown strikers. The young lad Iheanacho who City thought was better than Rashford is playing his football at Leicester. But Pep is such a maestro at managing young players, right?He is playing at united. Do you mean Leicester are better?
Still an absurd statement. Firstly, even Jesse is much better than Championship quality, and secondly - at the very least, Rashford is one of the best few talents in England, and is far above Championship quality. He just won the national team their last game with a goal and an assist. He was also England's best forward player at the Euros last year.I think you should re read the post, i called Lingard championship quality and Rashford an upgrade. I do not regard him as atop talent or even a potential starting talent for united. He will always be john o shea/ Wes brown bracket. Substitute quality.
I don't think you even know what 'championship quality' is. Yes, Manchester United manager Jose Mourinho is starting a championship footballer week in week out. A 19 year old Championship footballer has won England an International game a week ago.I want him to succeed but he is only starting cause he is a youth product and works hard. Talent wise, he is two levels below martial. I d always say him and lingard are championship quality, i d still say he has improved but he should never be first choice at any position at united. He just does not have the technique or skill. Lingard remains championship quality and his major quality is running around a lot, while rashford does a bit more, i dont think he does anywhere close to what is required of a united player.
Complete bollox tbh. The only 'viable' option for him is playing off the right. Meanwhile our very decorated manager plays him on the left.He's only a viable option wide if it's the right wing; he's terrible at inverting from the left.
Plus miki has been quality there so putting rashford in ahead of him would be bizarre.I agree that we have to see if we can make it work for him on the right.
He just doesn't shift the ball fast enough for me.. ANother option is to see him through the middle behind Lukaku. But I'm not sure Martial on the left and Rashford in the middle is a good idea. Both will restrict each other.
I think you are right here. What we want is defenders to commit to him higher up the pitch so that he has space in behind to work with. What would help is a consistent pairing with a LB. Bale had great success playing deep with his back to goal, committing his opposition full-back the laying off to his own full-back and hitting the space in behind.His skill set and playstyle actually reminds me much more of a younger Bale than Ronaldo. Doesn't have good close control, but can beat people with electrifying pace and can score goals from different positions. Who knows if he'll ever get close to Bale's top levels but if he does we will have a hell of a player.
I think it's telling that you didn't post much in this thread after the last three games. You and whatever that Irish Fan username is on here have such a weird agenda against Rashford that it's almost you guys are waiting for him to have a bad match to post on here.I think you should re read the post, i called Lingard championship quality and Rashford an upgrade. I do not regard him as atop talent or even a potential starting talent for united. He will always be john o shea/ Wes brown bracket. Substitute quality.
I stand by it, i do not think Rashford is a special few talent in england. I think there are potentially better players in our academy than him. Being England's best player means feck all these days. Its like signing denmark' s best player. Lingard has no technical quality and is not a intellegent player and he is not a young player anymore, he is fecking as old as Pogba.Still an absurd statement. Firstly, even Jesse is much better than Championship quality, and secondly - at the very least, Rashford is one of the best few talents in England, and is far above Championship quality. He just won the national team their last game with a goal and an assist. He was also England's best forward player at the Euros last year.
I dint post on redcafe at all. I have posted after he has scored many times. I have admitted he has improved with his hard work. His natural talent and ceiling is what i doubt.I think it's telling that you didn't post much in this thread after the last three games. You and whatever that Irish Fan username is on here have such a weird agenda against Rashford that it's almost you guys are waiting for him to have a bad match to post on here.
Embarrassing posts as per usual in this thread too.
When I said 'in this country', I meant English talent in particular. He's certainly in the best few, if not the best, and as a result is definitely a PL player.I stand by it, i do not think Rashford is a special few talent in england. I think there are potentially better players in our academy than him. Being England's best player means feck all these days. Its like signing denmark' s best player. Lingard has no technical quality and is not a intellegent player and he is not a young player anymore, he is fecking as old as Pogba.
On rashford's(20 in a months time) case here are some of the best talents in england aged 19-21
And i would take all of them ahead of rashford. If we go to the world level he wont make it anywhere near.
- Dele ali
- Gab jesus
- Ryan sessegnon
- Davinson sanchez
- Sane
- Martial
- Ilhenacho
Why si it so hard for people to accept rashford isnt as good as they think he is. If he were at west ham his best move would be to stoke/everton where he might have been a decent striker but thats it. Just like jhon o shea, wes brown. He is not a potential gary neville or a beckham standard player.
Iheanacho has proved nothing as well to suggest he's better.When I said 'in this country', I meant English talent in particular. He's certainly in the best few, if not the best, and as a result is definitely a PL player.
A lot of your list are better and older than him, although Sanchez and definitely Sessegnon are far fetched claims. And England are far better than Denmark, have a top league, and produce many more players who have an impact at CL level. Being the best is worth something.
Well he could argue he has. He's basically played very well whenever he's gotten an opportunity. I don't necessarily think he's better, and he's a very different type of player too, far less individual so hard to compare - but I don't think Rashford can 'prove' he isn't at this stage.Iheanacho has proved nothing as well to suggest he's better.
He has showed he is a good finisher, good goalscorer and has good positioning as a striker, other than that he hasnt shown a lot of ability. Now playing at a team that wont serve the chances on a plate for him, we'll see how good he really is.Well he could argue he has. He's basically played very well whenever he's gotten an opportunity. I don't necessarily think he's better, and he's a very different type of player too, far less individual so hard to compare - but I don't think Rashford can 'prove' he isn't at this stage.
That is what he's supposed to show, as he's a centre forward. Harry Kane, who is much lauded on these parts, has shown the same stuff.He has showed he is a good finisher, good goalscorer and has good positioning as a striker, other than that he hasnt shown a lot of ability. Now playing at a team that wont serve the chances on a plate for him, we'll see how good he really is.
Having a different opinion isn't being negative. You think he's an amazing talent whereas I think he's an athlete with limited ability; a Calvert-Lewin rather than a Martial.He is a great prospect, an amazing talent with great attributes, and more importantly, he looks to have his head sorted and his priorities right. Sometimes an injury ruin a career, or a little luck can make a star player. Only time will tell, but the negativity amongst our own fans is quite something.
Kane creates a lot more chances for himself, has a very big range of finishing and has a very mature all-round game and hold-up play. His sample size of games is also quite a lot bigger.That is what he's supposed to show, as he's a centre forward. Harry Kane, who is much lauded on these parts, has shown the same stuff.
I agree we'll see what he does at Leicester, but he hasn't failed there yet just as much as he hasn't succeeded either. As it stands, he's shown himself a big talent at what he does.
Scored a header against Arsenal. Think it was his second first-team appearance?As a pure CF Rashford is quite a bit behind Jesus, let's be honest it's hardly a subject for debate. If you look at Jesus' goalscoring record and compare it to Rashford, it's all laid bare. It's not a favourable comparison.
Personally, I still can't make my mind up what his best position is. He needs to improve many aspects of his game to become a CF. I don't think I've seen him win a header for a example or score a headed goal. He often drops deep to pick up and carry the ball, so he doesn't show the movement in the box that gets him ahead of a defender for a simple tap-in or a poacher's goal, like Aguero and Jesus do. Both his decision making and finishing would need a lot of improving. These weaknesses are less obvious on the wing where his speed, energy and directness cover some of his flaws.
He's still got plenty of time. If he keeps working and improving who knows how far he'll go. But he's at no position to challenge Lukaku for the #9 spot and he can't quite nail the LW either with fierce competition from Martial. I don't see the point in comparing that much with other players especially more accomplished ones, just let him develop at his own pace. We all know he's got talent.
I've frankly been surprised by how consistent he has been even if playing out of position for his age until yesterday, so in a way he is a victim of his own class so far that the expectation for him is so high. Not a bad thing in any way.It never ceases to amaze me the way people seem to so often struggle with the idea that young players are inconsistent and just because a teenager plays badly in a specific game this doesn't mean they're a bad player. Marcus was absolutely crap yesterday. But he's already given us more than enough evidence (for club and country) that he has the makings of being a top top player. Having a crap game yesterday doesn't change this.
Obviously I'm talking as a lone striker as we currently play. He's doesn't have the instincts to play that role; to be a success in that position in the PL you need to have a rugged determination to battle with the CBs. Rashfords natural instinct is to run in behind, he literally backs out of any arial ball if there is a CB in the vicinity and will run behind them on the off chance they mess up. That doesn't happen much at this level.And how did you reach that conclusion? He was doing everything under LVG. His link up play as also top class during his tenure. Even his finishing was top class under lvg. The boy can do it all but he is a striker, not a winger.
I would have no hesitation in putting him as a striker in a 2 up front system, he'll be very successfull in that as well.
Kane was shite at 19...he is still...sometimes...Kane creates a lot more chances for himself, has a very big range of finishing and has a very mature all-round game and hold-up play. His sample size of games is also quite a lot bigger.
He's scoring goals, he's going past playersHaving a different opinion isn't being negative. You think he's an amazing talent whereas I think he's an athlete with limited ability; a Calvert-Lewin rather than a Martial.
I don't see how that is 'having an agenda' or whatever it's framed as.
What is limited ability then? Nani became twice the player the season he realized it was more effective just running past players instead of trying to dribble past them. Martial has better technique and close control than Rashford, but Rashford's movement is much better, especially in behind the defense. Lampard was probably a more limited footballer than Carrick, but one might argue he became a more influential player.Having a different opinion isn't being negative. You think he's an amazing talent whereas I think he's an athlete with limited ability; a Calvert-Lewin rather than a Martial.
I don't see how that is 'having an agenda' or whatever it's framed as.
I'm struggling to understand that, though, based on what ? He doesn't have the finishing nor the holding up of the ball that a striker needs. He will never be able to replace what is Lukaku doing now for a long term. On the contrary on the wing he can use his pace, dribbling and crossing abilities.Nah. he is a striker and a center forward, his future is not as a winger but as a striker only.
We lack quality wingers at the moment so in that sense he's doing a great job out wide, but his long term future is being a striker.
Would not mind if he develops a player like a muller who can do it all.
