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If Rashford was matching Bruno’s creative stats in a much bigger sample size while he was still at United then you might have a point. Of course, if that was the case he wouldn’t be playing for Aston Villa.
To be fair, he wasn’t on free kicks and corners for us. Slightly frustrating that he goes to Villa and seemingly puts every free kick and corner into the perfect area when that’s been a problem area for us for years.
Anyway, I thought we were talking about whether Rashford has done well on loan so far. Matching Bruno for key passes, despite not having played a match for two months, would seem a good start. Wouldn’t you agree?
I get a lot of people are glad to see the back of Marcus - at least for now - and hope that United will move on. I feel the latter way. But how is he a `virus`? I know he drives some supporters mad the way he`s never been a Ryan Giggs or David Beckham doing his share of backtracking and showing effort til the last minute of the game.Yes, nothing wrong with moving people on after such a long time in one plave. It lends perspective and give a fresh new beginning to start again. Wish all the best for our local lad is what i would normally say but this virus will be back half arsing and leaching the club again. Its all a show and he will revert to his usual self when the going gets tough again.
Urgh...Do people ever learn?Why would we need to pay the rest of his contract? He's the one who wants to play for someone else. As soon as he does that his utd contract won't exist.
Because he'd rather get £45m+ over the next 3 years than anything less.Why would we need to pay the rest of his contract? He's the one who wants to play for someone else. As soon as he does that his utd contract won't exist.
Think Villa's style of play suits him better as well.To be honest, he would never have performed like he is now if he had stayed. He’s motivated for a contract, like the last time he had a good season. It’ll be how he performs once they sign him permanently.
He played for 110 minutes in the games you mentioned and scored a narrowly offside goal
So 0 chances created in those 110 minutes and 10/13 of his chances came against a Championship side in the relegation zone and a PL side in the relegation zone and were playing with 10 men?
Gotta love PRashford and his PR team. Almost like he hasn't picked up his game since leaving, he's just playing more than he did for Amorim.
He actually scored more under Amorim in fewer minutes than he has scored at Villa. He played 220 min. under Amorim and scored 3 goals. He's played 285 min for Villa and hasn't scored.
Almost as if Amorim didn't bin him because of chance creating/goal scoring but because he was being a malcontent that ran to the press because he got dropped for the derby and said in his PRashford way he wanted to leave because the new manager was being hard on him.
This is so fecking embarrassing.So 0 chances created in those 110 minutes and 10/13 of his chances came against a Championship side in the relegation zone and a PL side in the relegation zone and were playing with 10 men?
Gotta love PRashford and his PR team. Almost like he hasn't picked up his game since leaving, he's just playing more than he did for Amorim.
He actually scored more under Amorim in fewer minutes than he has scored at Villa. He played 220 min. under Amorim and scored 3 goals. He's played 285 min for Villa and hasn't scored.
Almost as if Amorim didn't bin him because of chance creating/goal scoring but because he was being a malcontent that ran to the press because he got dropped for the derby and said in his PRashford way he wanted to leave because the new manager was being hard on him.
Assuming you are declaring a more sensible centrist position yourself here, I shall attempt to join you. I think Marcus is a very talented footballer who could yet be capable of performing exceptionally at the top level, who we are absolutely right to be forcing out of the club due to his severe application issues.Seems very little middle ground in here.
A bunch who always have, and always will defend him to the hilt (irrespective of what he does/doesn't do) and a bunch who seemingly can't even get themselves to saying anything remotely neutral or positive about him without trying to shit on him (irrespective of what the stats/reality says).
Yeah, sort of my position as well. Sort of disappointed/mini pissed off with him and his lack of effort/productivity during his latter years with us (not to mention his mega wage but that isn’t exactly all his fault, is it?) so I want him gone but also still wish he does well elsewhere (preferably in a different league etc). Also really want him to perform well at Villa as it’ll increase the chance of shifting him and getting a decent whack for him.Assuming you are declaring a more sensible centrist position yourself here, I shall attempt to join you. I think Marcus is a very talented footballer who could yet be capable of performing exceptionally at the top level, who we are absolutely right to be forcing out of the club due to his severe application issues.
I genuinely don’t want to reply to someone who is apparently an adult and types out the phrase PRashford.
This is so fecking embarrassing.
So 0 chances created in those 110 minutes and 10/13 of his chances came against a Championship side in the relegation zone and a PL side in the relegation zone and were playing with 10 men?
Gotta love PRashford and his PR team. Almost like he hasn't picked up his game since leaving, he's just playing more than he did for Amorim.
He actually scored more under Amorim in fewer minutes than he has scored at Villa. He played 220 min. under Amorim and scored 3 goals. He's played 285 min for Villa and hasn't scored.
Almost as if Amorim didn't bin him because of chance creating/goal scoring but because he was being a malcontent that ran to the press because he got dropped for the derby and said in his PRashford way he wanted to leave because the new manager was being hard on him.
Silver linings....Rashford playing well for Villa and in turn winding up a number of sad, miserable Utd fans is great to see.
Room for one more? I pretty much agree..Yeah, sort of my position as well. Sort of disappointed/mini pissed off with him and his lack of effort/productivity during his latter years with us (not to mention his mega wage but that isn’t exactly all his fault, is it?) so I want him gone but also still wish he does well elsewhere (preferably in a different league etc). Also really want him to perform well at Villa as it’ll increase the chance of shifting him and getting a decent whack for him.
Six key passes yesterday—proof once again of how underrated Rashford's playmaking ability is. I’ve said it before, when he has runners around him, like he did with Shaw in the past, he thrives. His vision and ability to pick out teammates often go unnoticed, but performances like yesterday make it clear.
Another strong display from Rashford.
Before that Denis Law was a similar player. He was everywhere on the pitch until Matt told him to play strictly in the opposition half of the field.Its funny because I remember in Rooney's first seasons here he was running all the way back to try and win the ball and there were managers who felt it was a waste and that he should save his energy and be ready in attacking areas for when the team get the ball. Now the feeling is the opposite way, that attacking players need to come back and defend or they arent very good.
That contract doomed him. I’ll forever believe that he’s another cost cutting measure to get his wages off the books, he’s one that can get us a decent transfer fee (unlike Casemiro) and getting his wages off the books will go towards the reset of establishing wage caps that we’ve sorely needed for awhile.
I definitely believe that if he was on sensible wages, he’d still be here and we’d be better for it. This is another example of a long list of our club being run by idiots and we suffer on the pitch for it.
If Rashford was matching Bruno’s creative stats in a much bigger sample size while he was still at United then you might have a point. Of course, if that was the case he wouldn’t be playing for Aston Villa.
He’ll have the best creative stats in the league since he arrived! It’s hardly a fair barometer.
He’ll have the best creative stats in the league since he arrived! It’s hardly a fair barometer.
No one doubt his ability, the problem is the application, or lack thereofSix key passes yesterday—proof once again of how underrated Rashford's playmaking ability is. I’ve said it before, when he has runners around him, like he did with Shaw in the past, he thrives. His vision and ability to pick out teammates often go unnoticed, but performances like yesterday make it clear.
Another strong display from Rashford.
Those clearances though.If you want fair, compare him with other players in the same position.
Now compare how much they are paid.
Those clearances though.
What are we even doing here?If you want fair......
Now compare how much they are paid.
I don’t think I’ve ever hated any footballer the way that a large number of supposed United fans utterly loathe Rashford. I just can’t comprehend that level hatred for someone who kicks a ball for a living.This is so fecking embarrassing.
Loads of people doubt his abilityNo one doubt his ability, the problem is the application, or lack thereof
Might be some truth to this. I think he's a very mediocre player for the wage he's on personally and maybe he wasn't carrying himself the way the manager liked in training but then I think of Antony situation and him not really getting much of a look in either under Amorim.That contract doomed him. I’ll forever believe that he’s another cost cutting measure to get his wages off the books, he’s one that can get us a decent transfer fee (unlike Casemiro) and getting his wages off the books will go towards the reset of establishing wage caps that we’ve sorely needed for awhile.
I definitely believe that if he was on sensible wages, he’d still be here and we’d be better for it. This is another example of a long list of our club being run by idiots and we suffer on the pitch for it.
It's what a lot of people do these days generally. Once an opinion is formed, there is no deviation. Just doubling down on it to the point it becomes hysterical when anything is brought up that even slightly challenges that opinion.I don’t think I’ve ever hated any footballer the way that a large number of supposed United fans utterly loathe Rashford. I just can’t comprehend that level hatred for someone who kicks a ball for a living.
I know, right? Very random stat. Honestly can’t remember much of those but they evidenyhappened. So fair play to him for that.
I`m a big fan of Marcus but while money definitely comes into the equation, I think the club is starting to do what it should have done before - move on from players who are too high maintenance for the rebuild and not just the money.Might be some truth to this. I think he's a very mediocre player for the wage he's on personally and maybe he wasn't carrying himself the way the manager liked in training but then I think of Antony situation and him not really getting much of a look in either under Amorim.
After being told on here this season was all about figuring out who could play in a 343, Amorim seemingly determined very quickly they couldn't cut it. That's a little suspicious to me. Nothing wrong with wanting to bring the wage bill more in line with revenue but I hope they aren't concocting stories to get people to turn on Rashford.
Wouldn't surprise me if they told Amorim from day 1 Rashford and Antony needed to go because we have attackers in their positions on lower wages.
