Marcus Rashford - Linked to PSG

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After one bad season in a completely dysfunctional side under Ole (where he may have played through injury), people here want to dump him when we have no depth up front and with no indication the club has any clue in how to replace him. In the previous season (20-21), even with a run of bad form late in the year, he managed 19 goals, 9 assists in 43 starts between the EPL, ECL and EL.

Looked good in preseason and it would be criminal not to at least give him a chance in ETH's system. If his drop in form continues, we sell next summer when we have the entire window to find a replacement.
am I right that he got just four league goals last season? sorry, but that's nowhere near good enough. that's not a "dip" in form... it's bloody horrendous
 

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Would he survive outside of Manchester if he was to go to PSG, I think he'd just lose all heart if it happened.
 

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Would he survive outside of Manchester if he was to go to PSG, I think he'd just lose all heart if it happened.
You think he'd lose heart getting treated like royalty by the Qataris and being a wealthy young millionaire in fecking Paris??
 

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You think he'd lose heart getting treated like royalty by the Qataris and being a wealthy young millionaire in fecking Paris??
You can be given all the glory on the planet and still get fecking home sick.
 

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I hope so and I like Rashford and am willing to give him a chance, but it's such a rare opportunity to sell an underperforming player for big money. This would make him the third biggest sale in the history of the club. Also Alli was arguably better than Rashford before his fall, he was twice Young Player of the Year, England starter and key player.
With Alli though, maybe just me, but I always wondered what he was so great at. Never really liked him. Physically he didn't have any good attributes. Technically he was always average in pretty much every department. He was playing well as a second striker, in a Muller type role where he was just making good decisions and showing good movement which goes a hell of a long way. Just fell off the earth though. Rashford has always had far more talent and raw attributes with his pace and strength and agility, where the right system and just get his desire/happiness back and he'll be fine.
 

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am I right that he got just four league goals last season? sorry, but that's nowhere near good enough. that's not a "dip" in form... it's bloody horrendous
Yep, 4 leagues goals is well below his average of 8 league goals a season, over 7 seasons in the first team.


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In the same position as Martial and Pogba under Mourinho now. Kept at the club for commercial rather than football reasons.
 

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You have to question what is the “commercial value”, in a clearly poor footballer being one of the worst players in a badly performing team?


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You have to live in an alternate reality to value Rashford at 120 million. Which unfortunately seems to be the case with Manchester United. He's worth like one tenth of that.
 

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Does someone really believes that Rashford is worth a 100M player?
Transfermarkt value him at 60M. But for declining players on huge wages from overpaying big club, the transfermarkt value is always too high
I value him at 40M only because he is still young.

And PSG may have overpaid in the past. But they spent 100M+ only on top player. Not on the likes of Rashford
 

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After one bad season in a completely dysfunctional side under Ole (where he may have played through injury), people here want to dump him when we have no depth up front and with no indication the club has any clue in how to replace him. In the previous season (20-21), even with a run of bad form late in the year, he managed 19 goals, 9 assists in 43 starts between the EPL, ECL and EL.

Looked good in preseason and it would be criminal not to at least give him a chance in ETH's system. If his drop in form continues, we sell next summer when we have the entire window to find a replacement.
Agree. At least a few people talk sense.

But hey, the same people who now say "let's ship him we've Garnacho" will probably shit on Garnacho as soon as it becomes clear that he is not ready for such a role yet.
 

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This is a purely a testing the waters and understanding what wages someone else is willing to pay for Marcus in an open market, from a team that has endless money, of which there are very few clubs.

Marcus's side have understood to some degree what they should now ask for wages when engaging United for a renewal. They have their valuation, United theirs.

Currently, United have 4 players that make above 300K (GBP) - Ronaldo, de Gea, Varane, Sancho. Marcus currently is at 200K. He isn't a 300K+ player under this new regime.

I'm not totally against renewing Marcus, but it has to be a fair wage with the understanding the club aren't guaranteeing anything in terms of playing time. He has to earn it and work for it. The stories throughout the summer about how he views himself and needing 3 matches to get into the groove of things, etc. was a surreal lack of self-awareness.

United cannot be so sentimental. He's paid to perform at football. He has serious questions in terms of his performances and actual ability going into his mid to late 20s.
 

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This appears to be a contract negotiating tactic that has gone horribly wrong. Rashford's people put out that he might go to PSG, expected the fans to rally and the club to offer a new contract. The result, every poll I have seen has over 80% support for getting rid of Rashford. Now a player short of confidence is well aware that almost the whole fanbase would like to see him leave, and it's put United in a position where they have to offer a contract to a player that isn't performing and the fans don't want.

I don't see Rashford getting better after this stunt, I think it's going to get worse.
 

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Yeap. It's embarrassing. Zero sense of loyalty especially to one of our own. Worst set of 'supporters' in the League.
Loyalty is only wanted when a player has performed. When they’re not performing fans want them gone.
 

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I would be happy to see him go but there would be some hypocrisy for someone championing no kid going hungry and championing charities and then going to play for sports washing owners at psg
 

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This is obviously agent talk to get an improved contract. PSG have no need for Rashford
 

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Loyalty is only wanted when a player has performed. When they’re not performing fans want them gone.
Performance obviously plays a part in sport, however, ask yourself this...what does the player want, what are they seeking?

Marcus Rashford has been shown a tremendous amount of support and loyalty since he came on the scene and before that by the club. He's one of the highest earners at the club, wears the #10, and uses the club's platform for his own personal benefit and interests. When the team he's playing in has not performed well, he's one of the main culprits. And it's not even performances, it's the general lack of effort and decision making. His PR support was on overdrive this past summer trying to put him as a victim of our horrendous season, when he himself was a main reason why United were so poor, yet he didn't put himself in the firing line trying to take any accountability.

Actions speak louder than words, and his actions on the pitch last year and the noise coming from his camp this past summer was not of a player loyal to the club.

If Marcus wants more validation from the club or whatever it is he's after, including more money, then performances are what drive that. He has to earn that right, he has to show it. Professional sport is a performance based business.
 

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Others have piled on your post here, I don't mean to add to that but wanted to respond seeing as you replied to me.

I am purely ralking about on pitch attitude, I don't care for rumours and I definitely pay no attention to the press. When things aren't going His way on the pitch, he becomes sullen, insular, his head drops, he starts trying to force things on the ball and he's not good enough to do that which makes it spiral.

I get your point re a lack of confidence, but I think it's more than that.

I think the attitude issue goes right through the academy as I said - add to Rashford the likes of Pogba, Lingard, Greenwood, go back as far as Ravel if you want. We are bringing young lads through who think they've already made it, and lack the mentality to make the most of their ability. In my view, while it's easy to blame individual players, it's getting to the stage where it seems like the club is failing these young men somehow.
Out of every comment back, I will respond to yours as it's the most reasoned, well balanced and genuine response.

There was a moment, can't remember what game (maybe spurs?) Where Rashford could have gone for a 50/50 yet didn't even attempt it.
That was the first time I thought that something was up with the man.
But not once did I think it was an attitude issue. Moreso, a guy who has been thrust into political realms as well as thrust upon a pedestal at United, even more so after Greenwoods downfall, is struggling with this pressure and possibly depressed with the situation he finds himself in.

You make a good point regarding the youth products, and certainly Greenwood is a massive outlier. But Pogba has won the world cup and by all accounts is actually a hard worker on the training ground. Likewise Lingard, and likewise Rashford.

They are the new generation of players unfortunately, the likes of Grealish and Foden have done similar to our ex youth players for example.

Too much too young is a possibility, but also United are well known to have not looked after their youth prospects in a mental capacity in the past, this is changing now, big changes have happened at youth level and players are being supported more so this culture will be changing.
 

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am I right that he got just four league goals last season? sorry, but that's nowhere near good enough. that's not a "dip" in form... it's bloody horrendous
If I was a coach I’d force Marcus to play in midfield during training for a while. It’d force him to use his brain in football . As of now he’s useless in a dominant team and has only ever excelled in counter attacking situations.
 

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Best piece of the transfer news ive heard so far this window. We'd be massive mugs if we don't sell him, this is the closest thing to daylight robbery!
 

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Best piece of the transfer news ive heard so far this window. We'd be massive mugs if we don't sell him, this is the closest thing to daylight robbery!
You're a bit late to the party, it was reported in several outlets that PSG is very unlikely to go through with this transfer.
 

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Rashford's camp angling for that new deal. I can't see PSG spending more than 30M even if they are somehow interested.

I hope the board doesn't fall for this and give him a fat new contract. They most likely will though.
 

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This appears to be a contract negotiating tactic that has gone horribly wrong. Rashford's people put out that he might go to PSG, expected the fans to rally and the club to offer a new contract. The result, every poll I have seen has over 80% support for getting rid of Rashford. Now a player short of confidence is well aware that almost the whole fanbase would like to see him leave, and it's put United in a position where they have to offer a contract to a player that isn't performing and the fans don't want.

I don't see Rashford getting better after this stunt, I think it's going to get worse.
Absolutely spot on, I couldnt have worded better myself. I do however want to question where this lack of awarness comes from... Perhaps his commercial value is really that high, but that begs the question to why...

Why is Rashfords commercial value so high? It surely aint nothing to do with performance. Is it close to Ronaldo or Rooney in comparison decades ago? Ofcourse its not fair to compare United during golden days when it comes to revenue, but whos to blame for that? There is a reason why its called the golden days and thats mainly because of players like Rooney.

Where Im getting at is I really want to dissect Rashford's "commercial value" because I fear the value is inflated and mainly based on Uniteds historic backround. I dont think Rashford value comes from the field at all. I doubt the value is even that high.
 

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Absolutely spot on, I couldnt have worded better myself. I do however want to question where this lack of awarness comes from... Perhaps his commercial value is really that high, but that begs the question to why...

Why is Rashfords commercial value so high? It surely aint nothing to do with performance. Is it close to Ronaldo or Rooney in comparison decades ago? Ofcourse its not fair to compare United during golden days when it comes to revenue, but whos to blame for that? There is a reason why its called the golden days and thats mainly because of players like Rooney.

Where Im getting at is I really want to dissect Rashford's "commercial value" because I fear the value is inflated and mainly based on Uniteds historic backround. I dont think Rashford value comes from the field at all. I doubt the value is even that high.
Soon We will have no superstars left, Pogba left for free and Ronaldo wants to leave. The club want him to be the star, but he isn't that good on the pitch. He is PR gold off it
 

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A predicament. On the one hand, Rashford has been very poor for two seasons but one could argue exigent circumstances — mateurush management by Ole and playing under injury. But Ole was nowhere near to be found last weekend at Old Trafford, Rashford was as fit as an American Ninja yet his performance extremely poor. We could cash in now and bring in a player ETH can work with, such as Antony. On the other hand, if we’re going to keep Rashford he’s going to demand a massive wage. And he might deliver. Or he might not.
 

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A predicament. On the one hand, Rashford has been very poor for two seasons but one could argue exigent circumstances — mateurush management by Ole and playing under injury. But Ole was nowhere near to be found last weekend at Old Trafford, Rashford was as fit as an American Ninja yet his performance extremely poor. We could cash in now and bring in a player ETH can work with, such as Antony. On the other hand, if we’re going to keep Rashford he’s going to demand a massive wage. And he might deliver. Or he might not.
Not really a predicament tbh, the wages he'd comment won't ever match the best football he's ever played at United. Selling him is a very easy decision except for the timing of it. Renewing him would be a terrible mistake
 

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Soon We will have no superstars left, Pogba left for free and Ronaldo wants to leave. The club want him to be the star, but he isn't that good on the pitch. He is PR gold off it
We are all quite aware that the club WANTS Rashford to be the superstar but in reality thats far from the truth what people really want. Pogba is a superstar like him or not, Rashford doesnt have that X factor, its rather being forced upon us.
When it comes to Ronaldo, absolute legend but our only super star left is an 38 year old.
 

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Not really a predicament tbh, the wages he'd comment won't ever match the best football he's ever played at United. Selling him is a very easy decision except for the timing of it. Renewing him would be a terrible mistake
There’s no guarantees it would be a mistake but there’s a good chance it could be. I agree with your post, we can’t have a player here that commands a big multi year contract just because he’s ‘one of our own’.

Imagine, he signs a 5 year, high wage contract and carries on performing at the level we’ve seen for the last 2 seasons. We’re then stuck in the same situation we’ve been in countless times with underperforming stars on big salaries. IMO it’s just not worth the gamble, if there is a genuine offer … take it.
 

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Not really a predicament tbh, the wages he'd comment won't ever match the best football he's ever played at United. Selling him is a very easy decision except for the timing of it. Renewing him would be a terrible mistake
I’m not ready to accept the conclusion that Rashford is washed up as a footballer. Maybe he, but I’m just not there yet.
 

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There’s no guarantees it would be a mistake but there’s a good chance it could be. I agree with your post, we can’t have a player here that commands a big multi year contract just because he’s ‘one of our own’.

Imagine, he signs a 5 year, high wage contract and carries on performing at the level we’ve seen for the last 2 seasons. We’re then stuck in the same situation we’ve been in countless times with underperforming stars on big salaries. IMO it’s just not worth the gamble, if there is a genuine offer … take it.
No guarantees of course. We're all playing a guessing game. When I look at his ability and how he plays, I don't see a massive room of improvement in terms of decision making.
I could be wrong and would be happily quoted in the future. Even in his most productive periods at the club, Rashford was still a very frustrating player who would often run into blind alleys

I’m not ready to accept the conclusion that Rashford is washed up as a footballer. Maybe he, but I’m just not there yet.
I sincerely hope you never get there thanks to his performances at Utd
 

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No guarantees of course. We're all playing a guessing game. When I look at his ability and how he plays, I don't see a massive room of improvement in terms of decision making.
I could be wrong and would be happily quoted in the future. Even in his most productive periods at the club, Rashford was still a very frustrating player who would often run into blind alleys
Agreed 100%.

I stopped posting in Rashfords player performance thread long ago as my views on him, even when backed by better numbers, was heavily frowned upon.
 

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I’m not ready to accept the conclusion that Rashford is washed up as a footballer. Maybe he, but I’m just not there yet.
For me Sancho is the reason I’m not giving up on Rashford.

He looks just as clueless for us and has excuses given to him about systems and all - it just makes me believe that maybe a system is needed for more than one player too.
 

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An Mbappe - Rashford partnership up top would be fascinating to watch tbh

Not to mention they'd have fecking Messi and Neymar behind them
 
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