Im not sure Martials poor contribution over the last few seasons are made up hypatheticals, but if you want to predict a significant future contribution then that probably is. Just saying there is no evidence Martial is capable of a sustained contribution any longer (if he ever did).Depends if you want to talk about made up hypatheticals or not.
If you want to imagine a world where someone is going to buy Martial for enough money for us to buy a replacement that can fulfill that role in the team when Hojlund is available then okay.
If you want to live in reality then Martial is currently on our books and a part of the squad and far better at playing the lone striker role than Rashford so he should play there when available if Hojlund isn't.
I want to sell a player who's in the last year of a huge contract, barely plays because of injury and offers shag all when he does play. Who's minutes could probably be replaced with anybody with a pulse and an able body.No of course there isn't, wo only have 2 strikers and you want to sell 1 of them even if we don't get a replacement?
Only player in the team we know for a fact can play well at this level as a lone striker, 3rd top scorer last season despite not playing much. Proven he can score regularely at this level.I want to sell a player who's in the last year of a huge contract, barely plays becaus of injury and offers shag all when he does play. Who's minutes could probably be replaced with anybody with a pulse and an able body.
I prefer to look at it that way.
A statue outside OT at the very least.If murtough manages to get 80mill fr martial he deserves a life time contract at United
Management Trinity: Gill, Murtough and FergieA statue outside OT at the very least.
Because he's on about 300k a week and he's never fit. That 300k a week could be spent feeding the pigeons for all I care. Or Joel could use it for wiping his arse, same affect as giving it to Tony.Only player in the team we know for a fact can play well at this level as a lone striker, 3rd top scorer last season despite not playing much. Proven he can score regularely at this level.
You want to get rid and get literally nothing on return for what reason? A bit more money in the Glazers pockets?
No, it's not. You clearly are fed up with the player and just want him gone. The idea that he plays badly when he does actually play is just factually untrue. He's very, very good especially at link up and the things outside of scoring goals.Because he's on about 300k a week and he's never fit. That 300k a week could be spent feeding the pigeons for all I care. Or Joel could use it for wiping his arse, same affect as giving it to Tony.
21 PL games played last season and 9 goals, 13 as CF and 6 goals whereas, MR 35 PL games and 17 goals, 14 as CF and 7 goals. Just saying the stats aren't as you suggest, and we do have a lone striker. No he hasn't proven he is good enough, or can sustain a performance.Only player in the team we know for a fact can play well at this level as a lone striker, 3rd top scorer last season despite not playing much. Proven he can score regularely at this level.
You want to get rid and get literally nothing on return for what reason? A bit more money in the Glazers pockets?
Break it down to goals per minute, also look slightly deeper and you will find that Martial has drastically better underlying stats for that role.21 PL games played last season and 9 goals, 13 as CF and 6 goals whereas, MR 35 PL games and 17 goals, 14 as CF and 7 goals. Just saying the stats aren't as you suggest, and we do have a lone striker. No he hasn't proven he is good enough, or can sustain a performance.
Just frustrates me when Martial won't push to get on the end of low crosses but that's not himNo, it's not. You clearly are fed up with the player and just want him gone. The idea that he plays badly when he does actually play is just factually untrue. He's very, very good especially at link up and the things outside of scoring goals.
https://fbref.com/en/players/8b788c01/Anthony-Martial
There you go, that is what he does per 90 when he's fit.
It's like people who are so unhappy with Maguire that if he stays they would rather just stick him in the reserves and not have enough backup centre backs. This is even more silly because Martial is a significantly better player than Maguire.
Also a large chunk of the 250k (not 300) you are talking about is made up of bonuses that he has to achieve to get.
The bigger question is why he didnt play, was it he's being managed all season due to injury? If so, then by breaking it down you're attempting to create hypotheticals again and ignoring his injury for convenience?Break it down to goals per minute, also look slightly deeper and you will find that Martial has drastically better underlying stats for that role.
Or just use your eyes and you will see that when Martial plays up front the ball sticks and when Rashford does it doesn't.
Let's hope Hojlund does very well, I think he will. We still need to add if though.
There's that magic phrase again... "when he's fit"..No, it's not. You clearly are fed up with the player and just want him gone. The idea that he plays badly when he does actually play is just factually untrue. He's very, very good especially at link up and the things outside of scoring goals.
https://fbref.com/en/players/8b788c01/Anthony-Martial
There you go, that is what he does per 90 when he's fit.
It's like people who are so unhappy with Maguire that if he stays they would rather just stick him in the reserves and not have enough backup centre backs. This is even more silly because Martial is a significantly better player than Maguire.
Also a large chunk of the 250k (not 300) you are talking about is made up of bonuses that he has to achieve to get.
The **** of martial is still alive and kicking I see.No, it's not. You clearly are fed up with the player and just want him gone. The idea that he plays badly when he does actually play is just factually untrue. He's very, very good especially at link up and the things outside of scoring goals.
https://fbref.com/en/players/8b788c01/Anthony-Martial
There you go, that is what he does per 90 when he's fit.
It's like people who are so unhappy with Maguire that if he stays they would rather just stick him in the reserves and not have enough backup centre backs. This is even more silly because Martial is a significantly better player than Maguire.
Also a large chunk of the 250k (not 300) you are talking about is made up of bonuses that he has to achieve to get.
Rashford played 3 times as many minutes.21 PL games played last season and 9 goals, 13 as CF and 6 goals whereas, MR 35 PL games and 17 goals, 14 as CF and 7 goals. Just saying the stats aren't as you suggest, and we do have a lone striker. No he hasn't proven he is good enough, or can sustain a performance.
Mckola is the biggest cheerleaderThe **** of martial is still alive and kicking I see.
No I'm not, I'm saying that he's good when he plays.The bigger question is why he didnt play, was it he's being managed all season due to injury? If so, then by breaking it down you're attempting to create hypotheticals again and ignoring his injury for convenience?
Yeah give me either of Orban/Leonardo as another talented potential,alternative is going for someone proven like Taremi/MorataIt’d be great if a a Saudi team rocked up with £25m for him, and we could spend it on a decent replacement. He’s going to be plying his trade in Saudi soon enough though in my opinion.
He could have been a player but I don’t think he’s got the mentality for the top echelon of football (get the feeling he thrives on being the undisputed main man) and obviously the injuries are racking up at an alarming rate these days.
I've said if he could be replaced it would be brilliant, I've said he is injured too much.The **** of martial is still alive and kicking I see.
There I fixed that for you.There's that magic phrase again... "when he's fit"..
If you have to continually use that phrase when talking about a footballer, then that should be enough to tell you why he *needs to be replaced.*
I'd take (James) Corden at this point.Ideally we could replace with Orban
But you are. No, youre asking for time comparision which, in reality, doesnt exist and hasn't for many years. We have a striker, MR has been more reliable/ more consistently available than AM. 25 games is a bit of a stretch as CF given we have a new CF, and MR is matching AM for stats. Why keep him for that odd occassion he might be available and the new CF isn't available? It seems very odd..No I'm not, I'm saying that he's good when he plays.
I'm saying he doesn't play enough, I'm saying that in an ideal world he would be replaced.
I'm also saying I doubt that is possible so considering how light we are there I would rather have 25 games from him this season than the nothing being proposed other than a bit more money in the Glazers pockets.
You are missing 1 key factor in all of that. Rashford's performance levels as a lone striker are more often than not very poor.But you are. No, youre asking for time comparision which, in reality, doesnt exist and hasn't for many years. We have a striker, MR has been more reliable/ more consistently available than AM. 25 games is a bit of a stretch as CF given we have a new CF, and MR is matching AM for stats. Why keep him for that odd occassion he might be available and the new CF isn't available? It seems very odd..
I don’t see us getting 25 games from him in any season from nowThere I fixed that for you.
25 games from him is better than the hypathetical nothing apart from a few more quid in the Glazers pockets that you are offering as an alternative.
Even if we get exactly what we got out of him last season that is better than the hypathetical alternative of nothing.I don’t see us getting 25 games from him in any season from now
Why is it martial or nothing?Even if we get exactly what we got out of him last season that is better than the hypathetical alternative of nothing.
Because that is what was being discussed?Why is it martial or nothing?
It's the only argument anyone has left. Martial is literally better than nothing. Pretty low standards if you ask meWhy is it martial or nothing?
Think he’d be an excellent punt for a finisher subbed on later in games.Ideally we could replace with Orban
Completely agree but Spurs look favesThink he’d be an excellent punt for a finisher subbed on later in games.
25 hypothetical appearances is better than the hypothetical nothing.There I fixed that for you.
25 games from him is better than the hypathetical nothing apart from a few more quid in the Glazers pockets that you are offering as an alternative.
You set the parameters of nothing.25 hypothetical appearances is better than the hypothetical nothing.
Pretty low standards.
I said he needs to go and that maybe he needs to go before he can be replaced. I never actually said the hypothetical alternative is nothing. Like I said before on numerous occasions that SU loss should have been his last in a Utd shirt. I said it at the time.You set the parameters of nothing.
I think he should have been replaced years ago, at the very latest immediately after the Sevilla loan. But you are discussing a scenario where we don't replace him at all so you are setting those standards in the discussion.
But he's better than Rashford (in that position) when available.The alternative is Rashford and Hojlund. On the wings you have Garnacho, Sancho, Amad, Antony and Pellistri. That's 7 players for 3 forward positions. Quality might be somewhat questionable but at least they are mostly fit and available.
He can never get into the "groove" yet he does well when he's there?I would rather bring anybody in and play them there than play Martial in the CF role. You keep saying I would rather him play for 25 games like thats anywhere near what he plays, you make statements about how his stats over 90 minutes are great. Those 25 games played last year equate to around 40 minutes per game at most. However the biggest issues is not that he plays like that, he appears for a month at a time before getting injured, whilst yes when fit he does ok, all we are doing is giving minutes to a guy who we are all just waiting on for him to fall to pieces. HE can never get into the groove of playing as a striker, and the team cant ever get used to playing with him. We would be better either just going ahead and bringing in a youth team striker or playing Sancho up there. If we gave other players his minutes may be they could get into a groove or improve in that role.
